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Correction - it has rained every day except one, since I picked up the car a week ago Monday. Rob M.
I know - I've been here!!
the reason i was able to figure this out so soon is that the same quirk applies to my 2001 OB which i traded in.
If I have to fiddle with it, then it's not ACC. The system in my Ody is so easy - 68 degrees and full automatic. Never touch it unless the windows need defogging.
We switched to Bridgestone Turanza LS-H tires and could not be happier. The ride is much smoother and the grip in heavy rain is amazing.
Doug
Has anyone had experience towing? My future plans include a Mule or Polaris Ranger type ATV. Add one to a utility trailer and you are looking at about 1,500 lbs. Can an Outback 2.5i with a 5 speed handle that kind of abuse in a steep and hilly area?
Thanks.
Well, now that we are looking into getting a house, my car purchase has changed, but I do wish for a factory NAV.
Oh well....
0.0% APR FINANCING UP TO 24 MONTHS ON ALL 05 OUTBACK MODELS
(excluding Outback Sport models)
Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval and vehicle availability. Not all customers will qualify. No down payment required. Financing = $41.67 per month, per $1,000 financed. Cannot be combined with Customer Cash. Must take delivery from dealer stock by June 30, 2005. See participating dealers for details.
CUSTOMER CASH REBATE
Now through June 30, 2005 - select models are available with Customer Cash up to $1,500. You must take delivery from dealer stock by June 30, 2005. See your participating dealer for details.
2005 Outback 3.0R Sedan $1,250
2005 Outback 2.5i up to $1,500
2005 Outback 2.5XT and 3.0R (wagon) $1,000
2005 Outback Sport (wagon) $1,000
2005 Outback Sport Special Edition (wagon) $1,000
LEGACY
0.0% APR FINANCING UP TO 24 MONTHS ON ALL 05 LEGACY MODELS
Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval and vehicle availability. Not all customers will qualify. No down payment required. Financing = $41.67 per month, per $1,000 financed. Must take delivery from dealer stock by June 30, 2005. See participating dealers for details.
CUSTOMER CASH REBATE
Now through June 30, 2005 - select models are available with Customer Cash up to $1,500. You must take delivery from dealer stock by June 30, 2005. See your participating dealer for details. Cannot be combined with Customer Cash.
2005 Legacy 2.5i model up to $1,250
2005 2.5i GT models $1,500
John
what if the customer writes a check :P
Joe
Honda is offering dealer cash in a stair step program that could work out to about $1K per unit. Carman here at Edmunds thinks it'll actually be about $500 per unit because rebate step levels are pretty high.
Subaru is offering $1,500 to $2,000 - no goals need to be met.
Honda is doing it to increase sales on a 300K+ volume line. Subaru is doing it to increase sales on a less than 100K line.
Honda is quietly giving it to dealers to allow them to deal as they want. Subaru is advertising it right to the consumer.
The last one flies in the face of Subaru's stated goal of not having to resort to screamer ads and below cost distress sales. NOT THAT SUBARU IS IN DISTRESS!!
IMHO, Honda is doing it in a way to maintain resale value and profitability for them and for the dealers. Yes their rebate becomes common knowledge but they aren't advertising it.
Your opinion may vary.
I agree completely.. Honda preserves their resale by doing it behind the scenes.. Plus, I doubt it is even "common knowledge".. It is likely that fewer than 1% of Accord shoppers have any clue about it.. Even newbies that log on here, don't seem to read further back than one page...
regards,
kyfdx
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subaru is more straight forward as it has loyal customer base that appreciates this.
I've got the local paper right in front of me, and not one Honda dealer has the price of an Accord advertised, except for the MSRP in the lease offer fine print..
The Subaru dealer lists MSRP, discount from MSRP, customer rebate, and selling price...
I think it is pretty well documented that Honda isn't having any trouble keeping their re-sale values high.
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... and I showed my appreciation just last month! LOL. Rob M.
Looking at our finances to save for a house... don't know what to do... :sad:
The amounts are similar if you look at a % of the MSRP. I heard Honda had $900-1200 per unit, Subaru has $1000-1500 if I read that correctly.
Where'd you get $2 grand? :confuse:
-juice
ie, if i spec out a 2.5i LTD for $24,500 TMV, does that mean that I could tack on an additional $1500, dropping it to $23,000, or is the cashback already built into the TMV value?
confused...
So, if it is a customer rebate, subtract it from TMV..
But, I don't follow TMV much... It is historical, so it is always going to be behind, and never keeps up with just announced dealer incentives, etc.. Plus, it is an average of actual prices paid.. I want a lot better deal than average.
You'll have better luck sifting through the Prices Paid boards...
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steve
Also, when pricing, add all accessories, extended warranty, tags, tax, title, doc fee etc. then, negotiate. so, you are negotiating pricing on all (but tag, title, tax).
I started below invoice, negotiated the price of the car, and at the same time got the best price for my trade. Then I added the rebate and low financing rate. I gave the dealer the processing fee because I am so flexible. I came within $200 of my target price, and my calculated monthly payment was $3/month less than I predicted.
Krisshna is correct. Get the figures and stick to them. The first dealer I approached was throwing out all sorts of numbers and they were changing them all the time. The second dealer had a printout with everything broken out. Negotiation was very easy, and we both knew where we stood. I kept saying no, and they didn't want me to leave.
I bought on a Sunday afternoon. It was raining. This was the 5th weekend in a row it had rained. It was nearing the end of the month. They had the car I wanted in stock. I think the planets were aligned on that day. Timing is everything! Rob M.
Usually when there are dealer and customer incentives, it's regional, and you get one or the other, not both (usually).
-juice
If not, we might wait for the cloth H6's in 2006, which is probably what we really want. I think the mazda we were looking at is probably no more. Unsure about the Mazda (ford) reliability, and I think we want AWD.
Inadverdently out of thin air. I misread krishna's post.
Rob: your honesty is refreshing.
-juice
That's in a good way - right?? I try to be honest and accept my lashes when appropriate.
-juice
Oh, Yeah - to stay on track, I just love my 05 GT LTD. Rob M
Ken
Thanks to our hosts, several posts were deleted, proving they were indeed trolling.
-juice
To test system sit in driver's seat , arm alarm , then stike the steering wheel and it should set the alarm off. I would expect a recall on this soon.
I think info like that is really not necessary to post. I know, if they want your car they'll take it no matter what. But, like my parents always say, voluntary information is too much information
Bob W
* hit and run tactics (they disappear)
* rude behavior
* extreme bias for or against a car or brand
* masked identity (no name, bogus e-mail)
Edmunds does a pretty good job getting rid of them.
-juice
Ok... I just fell off the fence. I pulled the trigger on the G35. We won't be getting a house this year so that'll give me some time to work the numbers
Now... where's our B9? :mad:
Ooops... wrong forum
Good or bad points for the car from those who have owned for some time, particularly relative to warm weather climates (I live in Southern Nevada).
A/C performance in very hot weather (100+)
Experience with the Beige vs. Grey interior leather colors as to wear and ability to keep clean.
Performance and turbo lag, if any with the Automatic transmission.
MPG in your experience.
Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks.
A/C Performance:
I personally have found the A/C to be quite effective on the 05 Legacy GT. It cools quickly and the highest fan setting is quite powerful.
Interior:
I have the dark grey interior and it's held up very well. I've also read reports from other owners with the beige and it seems to do fine. My LGT wagon is silver and I've found that the leather never gets blistering hot even after being parked all day in the sun.
5EAT Performance:
Relative to the manual transmission, there is some lag but not bad at all for an engine running 13.5psi of boost. The 5EAT is adaptive so it takes about 2000 miles of driving for it to fully learn your driving habits. Compared to when I first took delivery, the 5EAT is very responsive whether in normal or Sport mode. If you test drive a new Legacy GT, keep in mind that the transmission is probably "green" and hasn't had the benefit of breaking in yet.
As a former manual driver, the 5EAT is great. Of course, you sacrifice some of the connected feeling of a manual tranny, but it's responsive shifts and manual mode keep the smile on my face. The 5EAT is about as good as auto transmissions get -- it's shifts are smooth and quick. I'd be hard pressed to find a better transmission in any car in our price range.
MPG:
Average about 22-23mpg with mostly highway miles driving at about 80mph. City only driving brings it down to about 19mpg. Best tank (100% freeway) was 26mpg.
Let me know if you have any more specific questions.
Ken
A/C seems to work quite well. It's been in the 90's this week. At 72 degrees, I'm cold.
I went with the Altantic Blue and Black combo. I was set on the taupe interior, but once seeing the two side by side, I thought the black was much classier looking. I did not like the plood (plastic wood) accent paired with the taupe.
I really haven't felt the turbo lag. Sport mode changes the shift pattern, and keeps the turbo spooled up for quicker response. The car always feels that it wants to go.
MPG - 23 with 90% highway driving on the last 3 tanks of gas.
Hope this helps. Rob M.
The car doesn't get a lot of sun (live in Portland, OR, and it's under cover during most days), so I don't think it's UV damage already. I never did anything to the dash on the '96, and it was fine.
Thanks for any advice!
Doug
I think Saturday is decision day for the Outback vs Legacy GT decision. I'll let you folks know what we got.