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Welcome to Florida. In this state, "doc fees" are not regulated so the dealers can charge whatever they want. On some vehicle purchases I've been able to negotiate the purchase price accordingly, but the invoice will always have it pre-printed. There excuse is that if they waive the fee for me, the next minority will sue them for charging it. But on a hot seller such as the Mini, you can try to negoitiate, but I doubt you'll have much luck.
Florida, in particular Orlando, is fast becoming a snake pit, so wear gloves and be sure to shower after the negotiations.
Not me..
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Also, the Mini is not a snow car,no way. TY my friends :shades:
And with sales up 34% over last year, you won't get money off on one, no matter what.
True, but only on cars selling reasonably well. If you start getting "car lot queens", like S.Huge.V's lately, they'll begrudgingly negotiate. It's a poker game, and the table is in their cigar smoke filled basement - their only advantage, feel free to walk out.
Apple Acura in York, PA tried to portray the Acura TL has a hot seller back in the Fall of 2006 when I knew sales were actually dismal. I offered them a cash offer, thousands off MSRP and they looked at me like I was a crackpot. A short drive down to the greater Baltimore area and my assessment of Acura TL sales was correct, the salesman immediately went to Edmunds.com and we negotiated from there. I remarked about a cash deal and negotiations went fever pitch. This was at Criswell Acura outside Baltimore. Tischer Acura had the same result and was much closer to my home and I ended up getting it there.
A similar situation is now developing with Mini but it's topsy-turvy, the places like Pittsburgh are more reasonable while Baltimore sales are great and the salesmen are smug, it won't always be that way and I'll remember their attitudes in the future.
Failure to recognize that market conditions change and failure to realize you may desperately need the customer in the future are the unforeseen enemies of the shafty salesmen.
Would you mind sharing the name of your dealer? I'm in the Seattle south burbs and from what I've heard about NW Mini, I'd rather not deal with them. If you don't feel comfortable telling me the dealer or if it's against the rules here, how about the letting me know the area (Bellevue, Des Moines, Kirkland???).
Congrats on your new Mini. Looks like your wait is about half over!
I have the same problem.
Can you please tell me were you are getting your MINI from?
Thanks,
FG
Let me know if you have any "real world" experience with Global Imports Mini or any other dealers here in Atlanta.
Thanks! :shades:
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I recently test drove the Mini's and love it! I have decided that i am going to lease the car but am not sure whether or not they will budge on the price at all since i will probably have to order an 09. Was anyone able to get the price down? Also overall do you love the car? How well does the car drive in snow?? And finally which dealership in the Chicagoland area is best??
Thanks for the assistance.
I like to know if anyone has been able to order a new 09' Cooper S for MSRP or even lower than MSP in the BayArea ( due to the recent economy recession and uncertainty of near-future economy, etc.).
If you were able to do that, please advise which Mini dealership offered the deal and under what conditions for the dealership to do such transaction.
And how would you compare the deal/negotiations possible between an 09' Cooper S and an 08' Cooper S ?
Thanks!
Mini Lover ( near future!)
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What's holding me back from getting this option is that there is a screen (and it slides I think) under the roof/glass, not a solid piece blocking the total sunlight from the driver.
A couple things about the screen instead of a solid piece:
- does it cause the unacceptable heat in the car on a high-temperature day ( like 75 degrees or above). I live in San Jose (South Bay Area of CA) ?
- does it bother the driver occasionally/frequently because the constant sunlight coming the glass/roof into the car ? or that through-light is minimal enough that it does not bother driver on most Sunny days.
Please give some advice- Thanks much!
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I would never buy a demo without a serious discount AND a free extended warranty built in. You know that that car has been "pushed" and did not have a nice easy break in.
As a point of reference, I ordered a 2009 MCS for $500 under MSRP.
If you are looking for a deal, and want to negotiate on the demo, then I would be looking for 2K off MSRP plus the free extended warranty. Then I'd try to get free extended maintenance too.
Good luck!
No negotiating. I thought MSRP was fair, didn't expect any discount. It was fast, simple, and low-stress.
Having said the above, the same is true of pre-owned cars. Some new owners are complete idiots, ignoring break-in instructions, especially those that lease (they know they don't have to worry about later life of the car), and some that are just plain juvenile. It is tempting to abuse a MINI when you first get it !!!!
But it still holds that a demo MIGHT not be a good deal - what you're saying is having them waive the doc fess (about $250?) and dest ($650): I don't know, for about 3% of the price, is it worth it? If we were talking about a Lincoln Navigator or Camry demo, yeah it's only been softly driven. But a MINI ?!?! As stated before, I myself was quite tough on the demo (but I didn't go to D&R, so abused demos there are not my fault !!!)
Thanks!
Besides the MSRP of the car ( base + options) and its destination charge,
what other dealer-fees are fair/reasonable/expected to buyers today ?
I am seeing that different buyers may have paid different dealer-fees depending
where they are localed in the US states.
I live in San Jose, CA ( bayarea of CA) and in the market for a 2009 Mini Cooper S purchase.
Thanks!
CarLover always-
MB CLK320 & Miata
Here are the important numbers:
Cap cost reduction: $1500
Money factor (reduced slightly due to BMW "loyalty factor"): .00195
Residual: 72% on a 3-year, 10,000 miles/yr lease (would be 69% on 15,000 miles/yr)
Monthly payment: $370 including tax ($342 before tax)
Dealer was Bob Smith Mini near Los Angeles. Dealt directly with sales manager. Overall very pleasant experience. Can't wait to get the car!
if the economy was better and demand for coopers was going up, would you be mad and have the right to sue the dealer if he said he was able to get a higher price for your car, so he sold it to someone else? if the answer is yes, then you should honor your deal and pay for the car you ordered notwithstanding the downturn in the ecomony and demand for minis.
May I ask you how much is the discount you got off the MSRP ?
And what is the name of the Sacramento Mini dealership that you ordered from ?
( is it the Niello Mini dealer ?). I google "Mark Schutten" to look for such a mini dealership but did not find anything related. By the way, what is the tire fee/tax ?
Thanks much for your info.
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I will probably be ordering my MINI next week! I'm really excited but can't decide if i should go with another car to save something, but i adore the MINI. The dealers here in IL are willing to throw in some accessories for me but keep the car at MSRP. What do you think? Go ahead with it?
The only mini dealer is Sac. is Niello. I promissed Mark I would not say how much the discount was, however it was substantial and reasonable. The tire fee was $8.50 so I am ignoring it. You can get all the dealer contact info at miniusa.com.
Good luck!
Also told that the new 2008 Cooper (base) they still had on the lot was going for MSRP, no less? Is this possible? Need some insight.