VW brand experience - good or bad?

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I have a 2001 VW Golf GLS, and a 2001 Passat GLS. Two lemmons. The Passat is somewhat less problematic. The Golf is a lemmonade.
For the Golf, at 36,000 miles, and two years old, I have already replaced: Battery - 20,000 mi;
rear brakes - 30,000 mi; two window mechanisms; A/C compressor - 12,000 mi; cooling fan - 34,000 mi; and lastly,
the AC evaporator at 36,000 mi, purchase price: $558.00 (Parts are priced like made out of gold, well, gold is not very strong, it happens). Warranty used to be 24,000 - 2 y, now it is 36, 3 y; but parts are very prone to failure.
Don't be lured by the powertrain warranty; it rarely fails in any car. it is the engoine accesories, the windows, the A/C, what fials pretty soon, and belive me, they will make money out of your missery.
For the Golf, at 36,000 miles, and two years old, I have already replaced: Battery - 20,000 mi;
rear brakes - 30,000 mi; two window mechanisms; A/C compressor - 12,000 mi; cooling fan - 34,000 mi; and lastly,
the AC evaporator at 36,000 mi, purchase price: $558.00 (Parts are priced like made out of gold, well, gold is not very strong, it happens). Warranty used to be 24,000 - 2 y, now it is 36, 3 y; but parts are very prone to failure.
Don't be lured by the powertrain warranty; it rarely fails in any car. it is the engoine accesories, the windows, the A/C, what fials pretty soon, and belive me, they will make money out of your missery.
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Lemon is with 1 m. Engine does not have an o....... and misery only has 1 s.
Window regulators had a flaw, VW recognized this, VW fixes the windows under warranty even if the car is not under warranty.
Brakes at 30,000 miles are not a lemmon issue, they are a maintenance item.
Considering VW's poor showing in JD Powers recent survey I can understand the frustration.
Who was the #1 European brand in the latest CSI rankings? Yep, Saab. Finished 7th overall. BMW was 10th, MBz and Volvo tied for 11th, Audi was 20th. The 2003 J.D. Power CSI study focuses on experiences with the dealer service department during the first three years of vehicle ownership. The 2003 study includes 37 automotive brands, and is based upon the responses of nearly 106,000 new-vehicle owners and lessees. Saab's score of 892 exceeded both the industry average and the luxury average and jumped 17 points over last year’s score of 875.
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VW's on the other hand, suck accross the board, except for the Passat, which has been marginal.
LOL! Then I guess I'm a freak wannabe...I've pretty much decided on a CPO 9-5 for my next car. Fine by me if that makes me a freak. BTW, Saab Scania (which is no longer affiliated with Saab Automobiles; GM owns them now) builds entire airplanes, not engines. Aircraft engines are still handled pretty much by the Big Three (GE, Pratt & Whitney, and Rolls Royce.)
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villa
Engine problems which appeared after a few sensor changes to take care of a CEL. VW techline is baffled. waiting for a 'Master tech' to come and look at the car.
Of course, I also have electrical issues (like the alarm going off here and there, the locking/taking down the windows with the key not working when the weather is hot).
For a 4 year old car, that's a lot of things if you ask me....
villa
Have tried the Mazda 5 and the Jetta. Please help there must be some VW owners there with good experiences with the Jetta.
I will need to call the VW dealer tommorrow to tell him that I am backing out and hold the cheque.
Am relying on opinions from here since I do not have any other source of reviews.
Must add that I am looking for a reliable car that gives me 5-6 years of trouble free operation, since I do not have the big $$$.
Thanks and please send me your responses soon.
This will not be a problem if your dealership is good, but I would try to learn about them too. VW dealers have a bad reputation as well.....
Good luck with your car purchase.
villa
The grandest thing that happened to my car is when the battery disintegrated all over the engine compartment, destroying hoses and belts galore. That one was under warranty, and good thing, it was a multi-thousand-dollar repair.
Amount of times the car was towed from my house: 3. Starter, ignition, battery (this is when it "ate" itself all over, so no amount of jumping would have helped that bad boy).
Funniest thing that happened with that car is when the VW dealer was fixing the cruise control (died for the second time), somehow the radio just wouldn't "come back" to life. They had to replace it.
Once the car started, but the steering wheel wouldn't "unlock" no matter what I did. This was about 3 years into my ownership of the car and had had about enough, so I just went nuts on it. Fixed it somehow, maybe German cars only understand aggression.
Under warranty, they replaced 4 O2 sensors (which caused the "check engine" light to come on). I paid for one myself ($120) once the car was out of warranty, and 6 months later it died again. I drove around with that stupid light on for the last 6 months I had the car.
The A/C had to be fixed because for some reason the smell coming out of it smelled like rotten yogurt. I consider this a minor issue.
The alternator! Ha ha, that wacky thing. Died, when I had had the car nearly a full year.
I think I'm just going to stop right there, I'm sure some good person out there reading this is already calling "shenanigans" on my sad tale.
The car that preceded it, a 1989 Ford Escort Pony, got me through college like a champ. Never failed to get me to class. Unfortunately the WEEK before I was to begin my final semester, some dude in a K-car came out of nowhere and ran right into the side of me on campus. Poor Escort was totalled out by insurance, so being the naive 20-something I was, went to look at those cool Volkswagens. I leased a brand new Jetta for 4 years (something I don't recommend doing, BTW, but that's a whole other topic), and was in love with the car for about two weeks. It drove like a dream, and was FAST compared to my Escort. I ended up turning in my lease about 4 months early just because I was tired of my then-girlfriend giving me rides in her ratty Ford Tempo.
Oh, I ended up fighting with VW, on all things, the CD changer. I had it replaced by the dealer 3-4 times before I just demanded a refund on the thing. And they gave it to me, probably after looking at the car's service history.
I'm serious when I say that I wouldn't rely on a VW if I got one for free. I have friends and acquaintences who are in love with VWs and think they're cute, or flawless German machinery or whatever, and despite my pleadings they buy them anyway. One guy had to have his Jetta towed THREE DAYS after taking delivery, because the coil pack was defective. He bought from the same dealer I bought my Nissan from, and my salesdude was full-up with VW horror stories like that.
My Jetta Trek was a 1996 model, but I just bought my Maxima this past March and apparantly VW has learned NOTHING. It's insane. I would buy a Kia before a VW, and that is God's honest truth.
What's funny is that it is the EXACT same problems. All electrical; if you look back over my post, the only mechanical thing I complained about were the locks. The drivetrain in that Jetta was a work of art, the engine perfect. I'm sure my Jetta is still running somewhere, if the wiring harness didn't catch on fire by now.
One thing I did neglect to mention in my early post is that a friend of mine *just* bought an '03 Jetta, and in the two months he's had it he hasn't had any problems. Hopefully he proves me wrong. It's not a gamble I'd take again, though.
And I'm quite serious, I'd specifically buy a Kia Sorento over a VW Toureg. Or an Optima over a Jetta. This is all severely hypothetical, I wouldn't touch either brand. All quality rankings flush these two to the bottom of the latrine, and deservedly so.
It would be incorrect to state that since a 1966 Ford Fairlane was a total piece of junk that any Ford product would be the same in 2003. Technology advancements from 1966 until 2003 are much greater than the advancements from 1930 until 1966. I am not saying that newer cars are great and are as reliable as appliances, but I do believe that it is unfair to say that if someone had problems with a car manufacturer almost 10 years ago that most likely the newer models are as bad. A '96 Jetta is a totally different car than a 2003 and based on a new platform. Though the car may have reliability issues(which I agree it does), one shouldn't base a buying decision on old data. An informed shopper should ask those who currently own the model, read magazine and online reviews and look in Consumer Reports.
Not only are they not lemons, they are a joy to drive.
Will the next VW I buy be different? I hope not. VW has great vehicles.
I never want one of the VW's that I here about on Edmunds that are constantly in the shop. Good thing I can not find one;)
Well I'm still fuming and VW up here says they take my car in tomorrow (wednesday) and try and fix my door/ waterleak. It really sucks to be driving and little drips fall down into the door speakers, and on the hand rail inside when its suppose to water tight!
I can understand if the car was like 20 years old but my car is only 6 months old!
The One guy here treated me like an idiot because I'm female and I had to go get my husband to go with me. One more Screw up and oh head office in Montreal is going to get an earful and a half then I'll go to court if it comes to it, I'm not messing around anymore.
Cordial
Well my car went into the shop recently for a water condisation in the trunk and its a brand new 2003 VW golf. It was letting moisture in around the rear windsheild wiper that is the last thing that has happened.
My Rear Emblem the rubber was cracking around it it had to be replaced and I just bought this car in April this year. They scratched the paint taking the emblem off.
Paint chip on the right side trim took it in to be repaired and the paint guy left little bubbles in the paint.
The foam rubber above the door catches all the rain when you open it and it lets drops come in on the inside I was told by the dealership that its a design flaw nothing they can do.
Can you tell I'm Not Happy!
Cordial
I do have a big disclaimer however. My problems were almost always with parts and service. I don't believe people buying VWs are thinking they will get total dependability. They do believe they will get better styling and better handling. What they don't expect is that all the escaped [non-permissible content removed] leaders from World war Two are hiding in VW parts departments and warehouses. I hope they do improve someday. JD Powers studies haven't indicated that yet but one of the things that drove me away from the new Passat was the very thought I might someday have to visit a dealer for service or parts. When I had my old VWs I found the only satisfying solution was a good qualified independent VW service mechanic. I don't know of one close to where I live so I had to pass on a car I thought looked pretty good. I got my wife a Focus ZTS. Do I believe it will be a lot more dependable that a Passat? No but the Ford parts and service people aren't always on the bottom of every survey. That is just my take on VW.
For the record my Fatherland-built '98 A4 continues to run well and reliably at 106k miles and counting.
Personally I would avoid any VW, BMW or Mercedes product made this side of the pond (there are many) but I wouldn't think twice about a unit with a VIN starting with a "W" (indicating Made in Germany).
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
VW failed with US manufacturing, and seems not to have much of a handle on Latin American manufacture, either. BMW and Mercedes have both taken black eyes in quality with US produced models. Hyundai failed once in Canada (it produced the first-generation Sonata in Quebec) - it'll be interesting to see if Hyundai can succeed on its second try in the US South.
It is interesting to note that a signficant proportion of the VWs produced in Mexico and Brazil, use locally-sourced parts - it may be that VW hasn't chosen its suppliers very well. Remember that the Japanese brought a lot of their domestic suppliers with them to North America, something VW has not done much of.
This individual later stated a topic about how
useless the 100k warranty on his Kia Sorento was because it couldn't make up for the aggravation of constantly returning to the dealer to have his
lemon repaired. Well duh!
Reddogs if you're still out there d'ya think there are worse things than overly complex, expensive to repair German brands?
-satisfied owner of two VW and two Audi automobiles.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
They're just not very reliable -- and VW made a very major mistake with the engine ignition coil pack failure issues on most of its cars. It should have owned up to the problem long before it was forced to - and it created a lot of customer ill-will by not doing so.
VW has forecast a large drop in sales for 2004 in North America - and has said it won't increase incentives to boost sales. Some of that sales drop is no doubt due to the aging of its best-selling Jetta -- but not raising incentives is important from a perception standpoint, if it hopes to move itself upmarket. So is improving reliability - which so far VW has shown it hasn't been able to do.
It wasnt't that long ago that VW was almost forced out of the US market - it did clean up its act for a while, but seems to have backpedaled. I will guess one of the most avid watches of what VW does next will be another automaker which is currently enjoying a second honeymoon with US buyers -- Hyundai, which like VW almost expired in North America because of the shoddy quality of its cars.
In the end, I traded for a nice reliable Japanese car that has-I feel- as much personality, if not more, than my Jetta or the current Golf or Jetta (both of which I looked at). It's more fun to drive (better handling) and everything works and there are no rattles, etc. The performance is better and the gas mileage is SIGNIFICANTLY better.
As for those who harp on the problematic VWs being Brazilian or Mexican in origin, note that all part failures I had were German made parts. I think a lot of the "German VWs are superior to Mexican VWs" is rooted in racist attitudes towards Latin Americans. It's merely anecdotal, but I know someone who has two VWs, a German made Jetta wagon and a Mexican built Jetta sedan. Guess which one rattles more, has had more hardware and integrity issues and mechanical & electrical failures? The German wagon, which is newer and has lower miles. The Mexican Jetta has almost been flawless... Just my 2 cents on that issue...
The devil is in the details, or so they say - and the Europeans have had a tough time of mastering the details with overseas production.
makers have been enable to match their German-made counterparts with cars produced here in the US.
Facts are facts. I've alreadyu stated that I have no idea why there's such a marked quality difference. Perhaps Eneth is correct that the European makers, despite years of experience producing cars obverseas haven't been able to systematize their production methods for export production as well as the Japanese makers.
I've traveled in Latin America including Brazil, Argentina and Chile as well as Bolivia and bear no sterereotype notions of what people there are like.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Passats (2)---excellent service from a '98 and 2003
Jettas (2)-- one buy back, second one just okay
A "new" Bug Turbo (1) --very good now but a shakey start for the first 2,000 miles or so.
VW must improve its customer service - if it is to have any hope of succeeding at the Audi-BMW-Mercedes level to which it aspires with the Phaeton and Touareg.
Dash rattle
Sunroof molding
Intake manifold changeover valve (twice)
Trunk light switch
Window regulator
Rear center seatbelt
Coolant reservoir
Automatic transmission (replaced due to noise)
Right outer CV boot (twice)
Broken glovebox
Dead battery
Right rear wheel bearing
V-belt tensioner
Broken sunvisor
Broken dome light
Others have had a worse experience, but mine was plenty painful. I now have a 2002 Altima 2.5S.