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Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - III
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Toyota Tacoma vs Ford Ranger - II. Please
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I understand that Powers rates basically owner opinions in the first 3 months on some issues however you failed to notice that one award was for the year for plant quality placing Ford second only to BMW, and this is importaint, IN THAT PARTICULAR SURVEY.
I think it is says alot in itself that such independent organizations recognize QUALITY.
You presented no supporting data regarding your claim that Ranger differentials are made to marry both an automatic and manual transmissions(Note, I SPELLED IT OUT to avoid confusion).
Do your ACTUALLY READ the stats on the vehicle you so over zealously defend? IF you did you would know that the Tacoma, LIKE the Ranger offers TWO, the 3.42 and 3.91 axle ratio, count them two on there 4WD Tacoma's. And NOWHERE, repeat, NOWHERE to be found, at least on Edmunds, is the superior 4.10 axle ratio you so often refer to. But even if it DID offer the 4.10, it would NOT mean that Toyota marries a differential to work with both an automatic or a manual trans.
However, you WILL find a 4.10 rear axle listed right here:
http://www.edmunds.com/newtrucks/2000/ford/ranger/xlt4wdsupercabsb.html
Notice it is the Ford Ranger site on Edmunds.
See ya in the hills buddy and see if the 3.91 can compete with a true 4.10 LS differential.
http://www.edmunds.com/newtrucks/2000/toyota/tacoma/basev64wdxtracab.html
Game, Set, Match!
Price - Tacoma is the most expensive compact truck on the market today. I feel its not worth it, while others claim it is.
TRD package - very small percentage of people will buy this package, even a smaller percentage will use it like its supposed to be used, and even a smaller percentage know how to use it.
Love that sticker! The locker is only warrantied up to 5mph, Toyota has assured they won't back you if you ruin the system above 5mph. The locker is then useless. The limited slip on the Ranger is always available when towing or hauling or offroad at any mph. This is a sales gimmick for the yuppie crowd.
As far as the HP increase on the 2.7. The 2.7 doesn't need a HP increase it needs TORQUE to be a real truck.
And once again spoog wants folks to see the TOTAL numbers on the NHSTA site. As I keep saying anyone who actually starts to read these will see the majority don't affect the Rangers safety or reliability and discount the many duplicates.
The Ford Ranger continues to outsell the Tacoma almost 4 to 1. The Tacoma has been on the market for almost 5 years and still no sign of it making a great impact on Ranger sales. Consumers have spoken year after year after year after year...
Some claim Ford has more dealerships. This is a joke. I am an informed consumer. If the Ranger was a terrible truck didn't meet my wants for value, ride, handling ect... I would drive the extra mile to the Toyota dealership, Nissan dealership or even the Dodge dealership if they had the better value.
Facts are facts the Ranger is the best all around compact truck on the market today serving more consumers with what they want for the price they are willing to pay.
What year Tacoma do you own, is it manual or automatic and is it a limited, or regular XCab?
I have been selling these things for awhile and I have never had a customer who actually needed to use the lock. Unless you are doing something very extreme, 4 wheel drive low is going to get you out of just about anything even with open differentials. The diff lock is only get get you unstuck. Once you are out, take it out of that mode.
I know this doesn't answer your question but I hope it helps.
thanks for the info. I just thought that if it is electrical and stayed locked, there should be a way to disengage, sort of like the headlights on 87 celica's can be raised manual in case of a failure in the system. You would use a locker on steep hills, real steep and in wheel grabbing mud.
Not much use for it on the freeway.
mmcbride1:
Technically I am correct as I cited Edmunds. But, since I got the attention of a Tacoma guy, what configuration of transmission/engine do you see on that Toyota site for the 4.1 gearing? There should be 2 configurations. I would rather hear it coming from a Tacoma guy than a Ranger guy because some on this site would not think I was telling the truth.
Lets take a look again at the NHSTA stats that Consumer Reoprts and other s utilize:
Defect Investigations 99 :
Ranger- 124
Tacoma -20
Technical service reapair bulletins 85-99:
Ranger-526
Tacoma-40
Safety recalls 89-99:
Ranger-280
Tacoma-80
It looks like your the one unable to come to a compromise Cspounser. Other Ranger owners here have conceded thequality and performance areas to the Tacoma, while I have conceded the price and safety issues to the Ranger.
For some reason, you seem to be under the very dellusional impression that the Ranger wins in all these categories. Why bother trying to basically lie and say that the Tacoma doesnt offer a 4:10 differential when it has since its inception?
Most Ranger and Tacoma owners can agree that each truck has something to offer, and does better in certain categories. YOu on the other hand, seem bent in some dellusional void.
The battle is over.
I'd like to make a comment on my earlier post about the 5mph limit, and that I thought that was "lawyer speak". I didn't mean that Toyota doesn't think the differential can handle speeds over 5mph (Vince8), I meant they probably don't think YOU can handle the truck safely above that speed. I have heard that steering is difficult while the diff is locked.
1,500 miles on my new Taco and I love it!
For a long time I believe you have been posting that you own a Tacoma, TRD, 5 speed manual, 4.10 rearend.
The Toyota site and the Tacoma sales brochure list the only configuration of a 4.10 rearend as mating up with the AUTOMATIC transmission.
Now, somebody else than spoog, like hindesite who I would trust, correct me if that is in error for older year Tacomas.
Also, I do not agree with your comment on differentials for Ford in their 3.73 and 4.10 for the 4X's but it is my opinion that those ratio's are very close to the Tacoma's 3.91 and 4.10.
I have commented very favorably regarding the Tacoma in the past and you, and more importaintly everyone else on this board knows that.
I'll say it again, the differential lock is only to get yourself unstuck. The reason that it is difficult to turn is that the outside tire must turn faster than the inside tire and they turn at exactly the same speed if the differential is locked. The 5MPH warning is so you don't turn a corner and rip the rear end out. Once you extract yourself from a mud pit, unlock that thing and drive.
If you would have read the 4wheeler tests you would have known this.
Why are you arguing the gearing? 4wheeler and Petersons have already favord the gearing in the Tacoma, calling the Ranger crawl ratio"delicate".
"In low-range, our automatic Ranger offered a rather delicate 22.8:1 crawl ratio (First x axle gear x low-range); the Mazda and Toyota offered 34.4:1 and 40.4:1 gearing, respectively. "
"The Tacoma came factory-equipped with the lowest axle gears of the test: 4.10:1. It was this combination of excellent gearing (First gear for the factory five-speed is 3.83:1) "
"As well as the Tacoma performed on the track, it was on the trail where the premium import seemed most comfortable. Best-in-class ground clearance, the most aggressive tread of the bunch, and a crawl ratio of better than 40:1 made the Tacoma everyone' s choice for hill climbs and steep backside descents. Even our resident auto-tranny diehards had to admit that the lively throttle response, sure-grip clutch, and built-to-work gearing meshed together as well as any championship-caliber team. In each perf ormance-related category of our test, the Toyota won"
"In truth, the Mazda does offer a crawl ratio 34 percent better than the Ford, but s even percent less than the Toyota. "
the rear wheels are both getting power. Its more for running staright lines in stted ascents, descnets, mud, or rockl crawling.
I could see why Toyota would put a warning claiming not to go over 5 MPH with it on. Its definately not meant for paved surfaces eiter. YOu could really warp your diff using it on dry pavement. I could see some yahoo duoong 50 in and turing into a gas station..OUCH!!
does anyone know why or if and when toyota will put the 6 in the regular cab. the truck will be used as basic transportation on some pretty rough dirt roads and trips to town. lots of miles but not much of a load.
I would rather have the toyota but the engine seems absurd. recommendations???? thanks
It is lacking a bit in torque Though. From what I understand, Toyota just upped the rear gearing on their 4 cyl pickups to get some better performance out of them.
My advice is to test drive either one for a good amnout of time in the exacxt options you wer ethinking of getting.
My reason for saying this is that if Toyota says to only use the locker to 5mph, they probably mean it. Ie, it's not just lawyer speak. They have higher speed/different designed purpose lockers, but it sounds like Toyotas locker is made for a quick traction out of a problem and then shut it off. Anyone should be careful to use their locker correctly on any truck. FYI.
Happy Motoring.
The limited slip on the Ranger is much more functional to the everyday user. Once again on slipper wet pavement on acceleration I felt my limited slip engage when one tired started to slip. With the locker not engaged only one tire turns, a Toyota person already confirmed this. So on pavement looks like the Ranger has better traction. Unless you live in a severely remote area where there are only rocky roads, mud pits and trails, the locker is a bust.
The 3.0 is superior to the 2.7. Torque is what you are after not HP in a truck. The Ranger also comes with a limited slip rearend to boot and will cost you less option for option.
California has about a 55% market penetration for import brands. This is important to all automakers, foreign and domestic. The California market is huge as far as sales go. Its also a "trend setter" for the rest of the Western States as far as marketing is concerned. Over the last 5 years or so the percentage grab of the foreign makes as subsided and leveled off this may be a sign that folks are taking a look again at GM/Ford/Dodge products.
The Fourwheeler article has been picked apart by both Toyota and Ford fans and its way one sided. And I notice price difference is not mentioned once again along with the absolutely terrible crash rating of the Tacoma.
See you in the Hills!
Happy Motoring.
JP
high ground clearance come with the locking diff?
I also just read that Ford is now copying Toyota and will be coming out with a Ranger 2wd "Pre-runner" like the Tacoma( 2wd but with 4x4 stance).
No, I have no idea what the deal is with the prerunner no stick option. I have never heard of it.
JP
Stats such as recalls, defects, crash tests, offroad performance ect.
"I guess you have already conceded victory to the Tacoma V6 w/o TRD package, but 16" wheels, 31" tires, AND with limited slip 4.10 rear differential, haven't you?"
Not a chance. I would be willing to bet my Ranger, 4.0L, 5sp., 31X10.5's, 3.73 rear end has been higher in elevation(more than likely even when I cross Bigelow summet @9,350ft on paved road heading to hunting areas), over nastier 4X roads and logging roads, been over more moutain passes (6) that are on 4X roads, most in excess of 9,800 feet with one at 11,400 feet that you have ever thought of doing with your Tacoma. Just a guess, I may be wrong.
Also, if I WAS following a Tacoma, I would be laying on the horn to hurry up and wind up that high rev engine to max torque while I'm sitting there crusing at 2,700rpm waiting to pass.
Knowing what my Ranger can and has done, there is no concern regarding anything Toyota can put in the field. Nothing. And I unlike others, have no problem posting pictures that show what my rig can and has done.
Bring your or any Tacoma to colorado and I'ss show you roads that will humble it.
Off its many links you will find many people documenting in excess of 150K on their Rangers without need or a rebuild.
Hope this helps, great links an postings there.
"Also, if I WAS following a Tacoma, I would be
laying on the horn to hurry up and wind up that
high rev engine to max torque while I'm sitting
there crusing at 2,700rpm waiting to pass."
LOl. Dont think so Cspousner. Dont think so.
Remember how 4wheeeler unanimously picked the Tacoma ? And how they gushed about it s hill climbing and steep grade ability, and its meshed and superior trans and gearing? If you were behind me, you would be gone. GONE. Up a hill, and through the woods, you would be gone. Even 4wheeler and Petersons offroad said the Ranger just could not keep up with the Tacoma offroad.
While you are dooing "whoop-te-doos" in the ruts, Ill be chirping my way along, just like how 4wheeler described it. If you were following me, and I came across some serious mud on the trail, I would just flip my little locker switch and pass on through. MEanwhile, you (more than likely) would attempt to do the same thing and get stuck. Sorry Cspousner, the features on the Tacoma make it that much better offroad than the Ranger. YOu can pretend that they dont, thats ok. It's obvious you are living in fantasy land. YOu think your very "delicate"(exact 4wheeler words) crawl ratio is any match for a lockered Tacoma with acclerated rate springs, huge stablizer bar, bilstein ofroad shocks, highest clearance in the class, clutch start cancel, trd supercharger better approach and departue angle?
Look, 4wheeler didnt say the Tacoma won all the performance related cateogires for nothing. And please aslo remember that your gearing just isnt very good. Do you realize that proper gearing offsets alot of torque issues? BEsides, The stock Tacomas torque is only 5 less than the Rangers. The proper gearing in the tacoma MORE than makes up for that. Thats why 4wheeler gushed over the Tacomas performance and picked it unanimously.
Oh...Id like to see you pass my truck up...lol!!!
You couldnt pass any v6 tacoma up!!! Thats why the Tacoma won EVERY SINGLE PERFORMANCE RELATED CATEGORY in the 4wheeler test. EVERY SINGLE ONE. WHAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT? Enjoying your little fantasy world?
By the way CSpounser.....my Tacoma has 260 HP and 280 Torque, thanks to the TRD supercharger.
Somehow I dont think you'll be passing me up anytime soon.....lol!!! Like 4wheeler said, "The tacoma got up and ran like the champion Ivan sturat offroad. It handeld anything flawlessly"
"The ranger bobbled up and down, and hand trouble keeping up on the course"
"Rangers highway favored suspension hurts its offorad performance". ect ect ect.
I could go on and on and on Cspounser....but you like to ignore the facts.
How funny it is for you to say that you would pass me. How very, very funny.
Thanks for the good laugh this afternoon Cspounser!
Knowing what my Ranger can and has done, there is
no concern regarding anything Toyota can put in the
field. Nothing. And I unlike others, have no
problem posting pictures that show what my rig canand has done.
Bring your or any Tacoma to colorado and I'ss showyou roads that will humble it.
For the 24 reported safety issues for Tacoma, there were more injuries reported than for triple the number or Ranger reports.
MORE INJURIES. Like a transfer case locking up in the middle of an intersection on a Tacoma resulting in injury and accident.
No not defensive. I have just been there, done that and I do not belive you or the other guy has.
My pics are there for all to see I just ask if you are going to make comments regarding the lack of ability for my Ranger, concede when I prove you wrong and back up my offroad adventures with the objective pictures.
But more importaintly, show me what a Tacoma can do, other than beat Rangers at lights and 1/4 mile runs. I will concede those two items, and course price being higher, but nothing else.
Make: TOYOTA TRUCK
Model: TACOMA
Year: 1999
Date of Failure: Monday, July 19, 1999
Incident: No
Fire: No
Number of Injuries: 1
Component: SUSPENSION:INDEPENDENT FRONT
Summary: NUT ON LEFT FRONT BALL JOINT BECAME DETACHED WHILE VEHICLE WAS IN MOTION, CAUSING LEFT FRONT AXLE ASSEMBLY TO
STRIKE & DRAG ON ROAD SURFACE.\
OR:
ODI ID: 705242
Make: TOYOTA TRUCK
Model: TACOMA
Year: 1999
Date of Failure: Tuesday, February 09, 1999
Incident: No
Fire: No
Number of Injuries: 2
Component: BRAKES:HYDRAULIC:SHOE:DISC BRAKE SYSTEM
Summary: I WAS TRAVELLING NORTH ON HWY 3 AT 55MPH WHEN I SAW A LADY, MRS KEEVY, TURNING LEFT ACROSS TRAFFIC. I WAS WEARING A
SEAT BELT. I LOCKED UP MY BRAKES, BUT THE. . .
OR:
ODI ID: 838015
Make: TOYOTA TRUCK
Model: TACOMA
Year: 1999
Date of Failure: Thursday, May 13, 1999
Incident: Yes
Fire: No
Number of Injuries: 1
Component: FUEL:THROTTLE LINKAGES AND CONTROL:PEDAL
Summary: CONSUMER STOPPED AT STOP SIGN, TURNED RIGHT AND SHIFTED TO SECOND GEAR, AND THE ACCELERATOR GOT STUCK TO THE
FLOOR. VEHICLE BROADSIDED ON THE LEFT SIDE OF ROAD
Do you think injury accidents are more serious than a lack of parts to fix warrenty items?
Anyone info on tire size or links to good sites?
"...Five stars for the F-150. But how did the Toyota Tacoma do? “Look at the difference where the top of that barrier is to the window heighth now,”says Martinez. “It’s hitting straight into it. It’s an older design and so the pelvis loads are actually very high.”
Is this a potential fatal?
These are my words, notice the word FATAL
“Yes,” says Martinez. “This is a very serious and potentially fatal crash and the bottom line is that you can do better.” "...Ford Ranger,...Mazda B-series all get five stars from the government. ...and the Toyota Tacoma gets only one star. Toyota told “Dateline” that while the Tacoma meets or exceeds all government safety standards, company engineers are evaluating why it did not score better in the side impact test.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/ncap.cfm?lookup=yes&vehclass=pickup&vehdesc=Truck
Look for yourself on the above link but it is not a pretty picture for Toyota AND a whole bunch of stars for the Ranger.