Trying to spec out a HD2500 4X4 crewcab work truck and am not clear on the difference between DRW and SRW. Other questions pro's & con's on the V8 vs V10 (Fuel Mileage vs Power) last but not least 5 speed manual vs 6 speed manual. All ideas appreciated
With the gas engine I have now I try to keep it full (particularily in the winter so I don't get stuck with an empty tank in some unpopulated area in Colorado I had also heard that keeping the tank full helped reduce condensation in the gas tank.
For diesel, run the tank pretty empty between fillups or is it fine to keep filling up when the tank hits about half?
Thanks!
Should be ordering my truck next week and I'll post the details when the deed is done
I recieved from my salesman a copy of the dora yesterday (Thanks sdman) the vin# is a very short nx21f y does anybody know why this is so short,is it a temp. number? I called the vopc hotline but i was told by the recording i have an invalid number does anybody have a answer? Thanks
You can not get the dual rear wheels (DRW) on an F250, only F350 and larger. An F350 will cost nearly a thousand dollars more than an F250. With the DRW, you get a Dana 60 front axle instead of a weaker (but very strong)Dana 50 front axle. The DRWs are a pain in the rectom driving around town (parking, sharp turns, etc) and you can't go through most car washes, drive through fast food places, or bank lines. I would only get the DRW if you are going to do a lot of very heavy towing or carry a huge camper and need the added stability that DRW gives. If you need it, get it, if not, you will be happier with SRW. The V-10 has more torque and power in a wider RPM range than the V-8 (gas). A V-10 only costs a couple of hundred more (a bargain in my opinion) but gets one to two MPGs worse. If you are talking about a V-8 DIESEL, then that V-8 has more power and torque than the V-10, and gets a few MPGs more than the V-10. But costs a few thousand more. The six speed manual can only be had with the diesel. All manual transmissions in the gas engines are 5 speeds.
Thank you!!!! I thought I was losing my mind. 620 miles,2k 250 SC LB SRW 4x4 4:10LS Auto 5.4L. Sounds like light detonation any time you apply power. If it's normal I can live with it, but It doesn't sound like anything I'm used to hearing in a brand new vehicle. Please keep me updated. Also have a spring/shock squeak(Front Driver's Side) over bumps or when applying brakes. Developed @ 350 miles. Disappeared from 400 to 600 miles. Back again! MPG on 2 tanks 10.5 mostly around town, no load, no 4x4 use. Seems kind of low, don't you think?
My truck was issued a partial Vin# early on. I never got the whole thing until the week it was shipped from the factory. A partial number does you no good at all. Use VOPC automated by dealer code and order#. Just remember, recording only, don't talk to people or you'll blow it for the others using the system. I know how important it was to me to be able to check on status during that long wait. Hang in there, you're gonna love this truck!!
Thanks, I'll try the order # I hope I,ll like as much as i think. I do have one consolation as i already have a 99 sd. 5.4 that i bought June 98" And i do love this truck but need/want the extra power for work and weekend camping trips to the mountains.
Sunscreen, "curb weight" is dry weight of vehicle w/o fluids, obviously w/o passengers, payload. As opposed to GVW "gross vehicle weight," which is fueled, lubed, cocked and locked.
Thank you instead, its nice to know that I'm not crazy (we'll leave that up to crazyelvis).
I like your term of 'light detonation' better. I'll keep you informed. I agree with you, if its normal then ok, but if not, I'll do something about it.
I'm a 4x2 with 5sp tranny, so I don't qualify for the front spring squeak. As for your gas mileage, I'm averaging 15.5, but my truck weighs less than yours, has less air underneath (remember the 4x2 sits very slightly nose down vs. the level 4x4), and is a 5sp vs. automatic. So I would expect you to get somewhat less mpg, but not 10.5. I've already got 2000 miles on my truck so its well on its way to being broke in.. I bet your mpg will increase in the comming months..
If you dont mind keep me informed on the mpg you are getting with your truck. I just ordered mine last week 250SD CC SB 4X4 and if that is the gas milage I might consider going to the V10 which gets anywere from 10-13 from what I have been reading on this sight. Thanks
Called VOPC tonite to check status on my rig, and found that between 12/10 (last time I checked) and today (12/12), my status went from from "serialized awaiting schedule & ETA" to "scheduled to be built the week of 1/24"!
Ordered 10/8 F350 4X4 V10 AUTO LARIAT SC LB Build date week of 1/31. Any feel for delivery date? Thanks in advance for any and all replys. Merry Christmas
I checked the hose and wire on the passenger side going to the heater. It was hooked up (DARN) so I guess I call the dealer to get it fixed. Thanks for the Info guys I only wish that was what was broken.
I now have 4600 miles on my Y2K PSD auto 3.73 LS and am averaging 16 mpg.
Thanks mucho for all the great info on my dilemma with garage door opening lower than top of F250. Before I ordered the 250 CC 4x4 I parked a 250 CC 4x2 in the garage and also a 350 CC dually with 4x4 and they both fit. The 350 CC dually with 4x4 must be a couple inches lower than the 4x4 SRW versions of 250/350.
I imagine when Ford does the dimensions, they post the max and not the average but don't know that for fact .. just hopeful speculation. My oldest son was at the house sunday and he suggested I take delivery and worry about fixing the problem if and when I have one ... he didn't offer financial support with his suggestion ... just in case we have to redesign the top of the garage opening to squeek the super duty in. What really amazed me is that my agreed with him ... I think she is secretly just as excited as I am.
dave84...thanks for the info on reprogramming the speed/odo meter. That is a trick I can keep in the bag if I need it.
motoring...thanks for the links.
gossamar...Now I'll have to find a way to fit a big screen in the garage for the SD to watch.
zrust...sounds like you are hearing the same exact vopc recording that I am. Keep me up to date as to delivery date please.
Just curious about the curb weights being quoted by some that are below 5000. Are those actual weights that you got from a scale or are those just weigths listed on registrations or somewhere on the truck? Just as an FYI, the actual weight of my 92 truck was over 1,000 pounds higher than what was indicated on my registration.
You can eliminate condensation in the gas tank in the winter by putting some HEAT additive in your tank with each fillup. I haven't been doing that this winter, but I probably should start. It use to be a habit. I would buy it a case at a time. It's not that expensive.
Just to add to what was said, DRW is Dual Rear Wheel (duallys) and SRW is Single Rear Wheel. The difference in payload is 8800 for the F-250 SRW, 9900 for the F-350 SRW and 11,200 for the F-350 DRW. For conventional towing with the V-10 or PSD, the max tow rating is 10,000 pounds for the F-250 and F-350. For fifth wheel towing, the ratings can be as high as 14,500 pounds depending on options. The F-250 has a higher fifth wheel tow rating than the F-350.
The duallys are 1-2 inches lower than the SRW. I want to say that it is 79 inches compared to 80 or 81 inches. I can tell that my truck is a tad lower than the SRW trucks.
I'll definitely concede that a dually is limited when it comes to most drive-thrus. Not being able to take it through car wash has been my biggest beef. However, in my opinion, it's no harder to drive around town once you get use to it. You basically forget the duallys are back there. I've seen SRW trucks hitting more curbs than I do. The longer wheel base is the problem with turns, much moreso than the width of the truck.
Thanks Brutus, for the list of heights and weights etc. Also to others, for the links and details on the lift block issue. What I'd like to know now is, are there any other differences between the 250 and 350 SRW 4x4 besides the springs? Maybe size of brakes, steering, sway bars etc.? So far, all I can find is a difference in the standard equipment. The 350 gets a V10 as standard, for instance.
I don't need the towing or carrying capacity of the 350 at the moment, but I intend to keep my next truck for a long time and my needs could change. Will I pay a heavy penalty in comfort or handling if I go for the 350 now? I want the V10 anyway, so the cost difference won't be that great. Has anyone been able to compare the two for more than a short test drive?
At what minimum speed does your overdrive kick in? Mine ingages at a minimum speed of 43mph. This sounds kind of high to me, but I would like some data from others with auto transmitions. Please provide engine and gearing info, thanks.
Current mileage with 1100 miles is about 10-10.5 city and 13-13.5 highway (empty). Overall average has been running between 10.5 to 11.4 on the overhead computer. Having a roll top installed today, hoping for some improvement.
For those of you about to order a V10 with the expectation of mileage just a shade worse than the 5.4 V8, you may want to re-think that assumption.
My original assumption (prior to ordering) was 1-2 mpg was worth the extra power, but the fact is the extra power will be more in the 5-6 mpg area if you use the power to any extent.
I have found that this engine will use as much gas as you want to pour into it. In other words the mpg is impacted by many outside factors, wind, uphill grades (small), upshift timing, how much gas you give it, etc. I can easily lower my current mpg from 10-13 to 8-10 by driving harder.
I love this truck, but I believe that prospective buyers considering the V10 should be made aware that some of the high mileage figures that have been posted here may not be obtainable if you use your gas at all.
If all you want is power, and don't care about mpg, than by all means go for it. This thing does have power, plenty of it. Other than the mpg thing I have no complaint with the truck at all, everything works flawlessly, and I haven't even had a problem with the cup holder.
Whats with all the V-10 hype. I just got out of a miserable 454 Chevy gas guzzler I drove for 10 years. I just bought a Y2K F350 Dually 4X4 Supercab/quad cab with the diesel. What is the reason for paying about the same extra dollars and getting 11 mpg on a good day? The Hp and torque ratings are close I've been told but what a price to pay at the pump! If the OHC format is similar to the 4.6 you've also added a tom of moving parts to deal with in the future after the warranty and the payments are long gone. I don't mean to come off crass I just dont get it!
"Same extra dollars"? Are you comparing the V-10 to the V-8 or the PSD? The PSD costs between five and six times as much as the V-10.
Versus the V-8, the contention is that the average SD driver guns the engine harder than he would driving a V-10, so ends up getting almost the same mileage trying to make up for the "lack" of power.
Myself, I only test-drove a PSD and V-10, but my impression of trying the V-10 in a stripper F-350 (XL 2WD SC LB AT 3.73) was that I really wouldn't be happy with much less power, and that was unloaded.
Ever try to merge into 65mph freeway traffic from an uphill onramp with a load of scrap concrete chunks in the bed? You can do it with the beefy straight 6's or small V-8's you find in old trucks--I've done it!--but only with a gearbox fulla low, close-ratio gears and a big rearend (and your clutch springs better be fairly fresh, too).
I admit that, as gas prices have lingered in the $1.50 range even though the summer driving season is over, I'm starting to get a little leery about the future costs of driving my SD. But the rational choice for me is stepping down to an F-150 or going with a Silverado, not going with the V-8 in an SD. The V-10 offers the minimum power I feel comfortable with, even unloaded. With the cab fulla kids and wife, bed loaded up with hiking gear and dog, and a logging truck looming in my rearview as I hit the merge at 5,000' in the Sierras...I'm not going to miss the extra few MPG.
According to my 5.4L milage with about 700miles on it you're doing just fine. Mine is 2k 4x4 LB SC Auto with 4:10LS. My around town milage has averaged 10.5 If I had the 3.73 as you do, I'd expect another 1-2 mpg, putting me 1-2 ahead of your V-10. Now I will admit that both our milages seem low compared to what some are posting, but they are is 1-2 apart as you'd expect. Guess we'll just have to hope MPG's improve as trucks break in. Seems like that's been the case with most.
One thing probably affecting the power of the V-8 and V-10 is the engine management tuning Ford has done to get the F-series trucks certified as Low Emissions Vehicles. The V-10 may be expensive to run, but it's not a big polluter. It's interesting that Ford touts the LEV rating (that's a Federal standard, BTW, albeit the lowest "clean vehicle" rank) for the Excursion, but doesn't mention it at all in relation to the SD (except in the fleet sales literature).
I could be wrong, but the best mpg I think I've heard with the 5.4L is from Bess and I want to say that was 15-16 hwy. I've heard several others getting a little less with the 5.4L. It could be related to driving habits.
On average, we've been hearing 13.5-14.5 hwy for the V-10 with 3.73. The mpg you are quoting is near the bottom end of that range, but still within it. That's a 1-2 mpg difference over the 5.4L. You mentioned 5-6mpg difference. That would put the 5.4L hwy mpg around 18-19.5 based on your hwy mpg. That's PSD territory, not 5.4L territory. I forget what Bess is getting in straight city driving. 12-13 mpg would put the 5.4L about 2mpg better in the city.
stangdude,
I don't think there is a lot of V-10 hype. The V-10 is simply the replacement for the 460. It has more hp and torque, gets better mpg and is supposedly a better built engine that will last longer. The 5.4L is the replacement engine for the 351. I had the 351 in my 92 F-250 and I had plenty of power for my needs. The difference between by 92 and the Superduty F-250 is a little over 1,000 pounds. The power would have still been adequate for my needs with the 92, although the power would have been less because there was more truck to move. My needs changed when I bought the Superduty, so I would have had to make the jump to the 460 or the diesel over 351 anyway.
As far as the decision between the diesel and the V-10, it comes down to a matter of needs and preferences. If you need or want a diesel, you shouldn't talk yourself out of it based on financial calculations. Ditto for the opposite. My folks have a 97 F-350 PSD 2wd dually with the 4.10. I have the 99 F-350 V-10 4wd dually with the 4.30. He gets 5mpg better than me. That is not insignificant, but I still spend quite a bit less on gas each month than the extra I would pay each month to finance the $4000. Obviously, there are other factors, but like I said, nobody should make their decision based on the financial calculations or break even analysis. If you need or want the diesel, you should get it. If you buy it simply for mpg, you probably will not be happy with it.
Don't expect to get great mpg from the psd, power yes.I've got almost 900 mi on my F350 4X4 CC Drw, auto 4.10. So far I am getting 13mpg with almost all hwy driving. I am hoping this improves after the break in time, and after I put my shell on, but I am not hoping for much, maybe 15 mpg if I am lucky. John
I'm amazed at all the discussion I see on this and other sites about the "poor" fuel economy of the Ford Super Duty. I've got a '94 F150 with a 5.8L automatic and I get 11-12 MPG with it. My 2000 F250 V10 will probably get 11.4 avg. If I thought I was going to need 38 MPG, I would have bought a Honda Civic. But then, what the heck would I tow by 9400 lb TT with? Factor in the extra few thousand dollars of fuel cost into the purchase price of you $32000 truck and get on with life.
Hi- Thought I'd weigh in with my gas mileage for comparision's sake. The vitals of my SD are:
2k 5.4l CC 4x4 SB 4.10ls with 1k miles
I'm averaging 11.4 city / 15.8 highway. Hoping this improves with break-in. The truck also has the camper package which adds a bit of weight.
The truck is fantastic. Have not had a single prob with it so far. Waiting for Xmas cash to get a hard tonneau cover and a bug shield.
Anyone installed an antenna on the truck? I'm an amateur radio op and put a mag-mount on the roof. It's raining today and noticed rain is coming in around the gasket where the cable is crimping it. Guess I'll have to drill . Roof is location of choice. Any ideas? How does one get the headliner down?
I'm no expert on tires, but I suspect mpg goes down as tire size goes up. With my 92 F-250, I went from the stock 235s to 265s and then eventually up to 285s. I was definitely hitting more gas stations with the 285s. Of the three, I think the best tire for the truck was the 265. The 285s had a fuller look and I sat up higher, but I could tell that I was using more acceleration to get the truck rolling. But like I said, I'm no tire expert. I admit that I never thought about the potential of lower rpms related to bigger tires. Is that true? It's still the same truck (engine, tranny, rearend), just heavier because you are carrying more rubber. More weight, less mpg, but I could be wrong.
zrust,
I'm with you on the mpg issue. My 92 F-250HD 4x4 with the 351 (aka 5.8L) and 3.55 axle ratio averaged 14mpg hwy and 11-12 city. The best I ever got was just over 15mpg on a return trip from Seattle to LA. I must have had a tailwind. When I sold my truck, it had 86,000 miles on it and I recently put BF Goodrich A/T 285s on it. I was only getting a tad over 12 on the hwy with that setup. My V-10 dually 4x4 with 4.30 can get around 12 on flat interstate at 70ish. You can't buy a truck this big and expect miraculous mpg. The new gas engines from all of the manufacturers are getting better mpg than the engines they replaced.
The V10 is not standard on the F350 SRW. I'm going with the F350 V10 SRW LB 4x4 Lariat 3.73ls auto because, like you, I buy a new one every decade or so and needs change - usually where I need more than I have. So this is for me. Whe I compared prices I didn't think the differences between the lesser options was significant when we're in the $30K range.
As for mileage, I only get 9-12 mpg with my '89 Bronco with the 351. So, the V10 is a step up for me and a much nicer vehicle. We don't drive the vehicle hard as it is our "extra" one for trailering the horses and pop-up camper as well as long road trips to visit family and friends. The Bronco only has 95K miles on it.
Still waiting for a status change from clean and unscheduled. DORA 11/2. As I noted in an earlier post, my salesman reported that VOPC said the CD stereos is the holdup, est delivery 1/10/00 (ordered Pri 10).
I just filled the tank again this morning.. The average came out to be 15.6. This tank was mostly to/from work. Work is 21 miles away, mostly flat 2 lane road with 8 to 10 lights, and some congestion where I have to creep along for a few miles cause of all the housing developments that have popped up. This is what I call 'mixed driving'. Average speed is less than 45mph. Also had one trip to the MX track (30 miles each way) mostly highway..
I don't think I've gotten much less than 15mpg yet, (maybe a 14.8 a while back but I'd have to check for sure).
Y2K f250 xlt sc sb 4x2 5.4l 5sp 4.10ls
fyi, shotgun1: I just filled up with 89 octane so I'll see if the 'light detonation' type sound goes away with this.
All engines built since xx/xx/99 will NOT have the problem.. I can't remember the exact date they switched pistons in production but it was several months ago. So if your ordering now your safe.
Basically the piston slap problem sounded like a knocking that occurs for a few minutes when you first start up on a cold morning (even at idle from my understanding), then goes away when the engine warms up..
You can look on www.f150online.com in the engine forums and there are alot of details there of exactly which engines had the problem.
I have the 5.4 in my 99sc. my last truck was f250 regular cab utility body with the 351 and seemed to have a lot more power than the 5.4 and thats why I've ordered the psd. All in all I love the truck but I use it for heavy work and I really wish I got the v10 or the diesel in the first place.
Thanks for all the comments and information I found in here. I've officially joined the ranks of the salivating masses waiting for their trucks :-)
Ordered the truck tonight, 250 SC LB, 4x4, PSD, auto, ABS, ESOF, dark toreador red over silver, captains chairs, premium sound.
Local dealer started out at $1500 over invoice plus $299 dealer handling (but the $1500 did include the FDAF and D&D).
AutoByTel came in at $950 over invoice (this invoice included the FDAF and D&D, no DH charge). Dealer was Medved Brutyn in Castle Rock (Jason Bowden).
Checked AAA (Automobile Club buying service) who found a dealer in Denver (Courtesy Ford) at $650 over invoice. (I'd called Courtesy Ford and talked to someone once who was supposed to call me back with a quote and didn't hear from them after 2-3 days).
Medved in Castle Rock matched the $650 (which Phil Long in C.S. wasn't willing to do) and bought the truck from Medved.
If you're a AAA member, I'd check out their buying service. They work with different dealers always looking for the best price.
I went with Medved since it was dealing directly with the dealer and they were willing to match the price of a cheaper dealer (which Phil Long wasn't willing to do).
How long do I have to wait to check VOPC for a status???
Your posts caused me to go out and measure my garage door height (how could I forget this?). Lucky for me, the guy who built my house, who is a SuperDuty man himself, put 8' x 9' garage doors on the house (whew)!
As I was looking at the doors, I noticed that the finish wood that wrapped the door was pretty thick, and was shimmed away from the framing. If I removed the wrap, I could gain another 2-3" of height. Hopefully, you can get away with similiar "minor surgery" on your doors. I think we all feel your pain on having the possibility of keeping your new baby outside...
I guess other alternative is to drive around with your tires deflated :-)
jepsonfam:
I ordered my F250 with the CD stereo on 12/8, and I got a build date on 12/10 (build week of 1/24), so if you don't get a build date soon, I would go back and ask your salesman to call VOPC again and find out the real problem (allocation?)...
koakey: Good show! Glad to see you make the transition from the wannabes to the soontobees!
all: Red October finally shipped via railcar on 12/11. Should have by 12/27 (late xmas present). ------------- "Red October" 2000 F250/CC/4X4/Lariet/V10/4.30LS/Bright Red Clearcoat ordered 10/15, shipped 12/10, ETA 12/27
Shipped via rail 12/4 arrived at ramp 12/11 per VOPC. Guess it took 4 days to up date the message! Wouldn't you know that I'm leaving on business and will not be here if it arrives this week. Should have it in plenty of time for Christmas though.
Wildside1: Keep your hands off my truck while I'm gone!!
I'll let you all know how this turns out next Monday.
I was impressed with my Dealers allocation. Rogers Ford in Midland, TX. Ordered my 2000 F-250 SD CC SB 4x4 PSD 3.73 Auto on 12/2 & my build date is the week of 1/10/00. Also able to obtain vehicle @ $500 over invoice. Never expected local dealer to match price of other Ford dealers in the state. Can hardly wait !!!!!
jraske... hmmn... your mileage quotes appear to be rather lowish. our truck isn't here yet (hopefully this week). will report mileage as soon as we have some but need the truck for that of course. lilelmo had a good point, though... where you're located is important (although less so with the psd). we're in flat terrain (SE FL) so our mileage ought to just about the best you're going to get (especially at this time of year when the air is cooler/dryer). another point is that we've ordered the 6 speed manual tranny (with the 4.1, though... which will hurt mileage slightly when unloaded). but the manual will help (especially with my rather conservative driving habits). so it won't be an absolute direct comparison config with yours.
crazyelvis... the thing is stuck at the railhead. Ken said that status indicates eta week of 12/6 (same as vopc's been reporting all along). but of course; still no truck. finally found out that it was built 11/27... the 14th now so it ought to be here THIS WEEK! they're getting their truck's & bunches (32 last Wednesday... but nothing on any other day). Ken said the yard is REALLY busy (and you can well imagine that to be true at this time of year). we won't implement crazyelvis's "plan" UNLESS it looks to be after Christmas b4 we get our paws on the thing. note that we're right at 11 weeks this Thursday from order. If we get it this week the delivery scenario is "right on". (didn't want delivery b4 10/1 due to financial reasons) & Ken indicated that we'd have it sometime between there & Christmas. we'll see. I think that getting "bumped" back there in November on our build of one week actually cost us a couple of weeks on the delivery date. that got us into the holiday week for build & the vopc's failed to update the truck ever since (it STILL says the truck is scheduled to be BUILT week 11/22 for eta week of 12/6)!
lilelmo... don't "worry" too much about length of posts. I'm a little surprised that many of mine haven't been "bounced" for this very reason!
Oturner...since you're going to be away on business anyway, consider these points for trading your SD for mine .... you don't want your SD to be sitting out in the elements cold and unloved .... by the time you see it, the inside won't even smell new .... acid rain could eat away the finish .... burglers could steal it ..... Why not wait another week for mine.
You have probably seen my posts about my low garage door .... if your SD has a caved in roof, you will know that someone borrowed it from Reynolds Ford in Norman OK. and tried to fit it in a garage that was too short. You wouldn't expect me to try to wedge mine in there first would you?
Seriously, please keep us informed as to how everything turns out .... amount of time to get from Dallas to Norman, etc. Have a great Xmas with the SD.
sdman ..... thanks for the info on garage framing etc., .... can't see what I have because my garage is finished inside but I imagine it is built the same as most ..... vertical weight bearing boards with two horizontal trim boards underneath. I'll tackle the problem after the baby arrives.
I just sold my '79 Chevy half ton, three on the tree, straight 6. My grandpa bought it new in Nov. '78. That truck averaged 15 mpg. from start to finish. (currently 90K miles) How about the mileage on the Dodge Durango with the engine upgrade. 9-11 mpg. is what I read. Tires - physics tell us that the more tire on the surface of the road = more friction = less mpg. Drive your SD on bicycle tires and your mileage will improve dramatically. (but we all know what will happen to performance! : ) ) But if you bought your truck to look good and pick up groceries the mpg issue is valid. I bought my SD because I wanted to haul my camper and firewood and 5 bikes and put my 3 kids in the back seat and drive for 8 hours camping. I don't love my visits to the gas station and smile as the pump rings and tell the attendant to keep the change, but I knew what was up when I bought it! My 2K 250 CC LB V-10 5sp with 1400 miles is getting 13 on mixed driving, 2/3 hwy, 1/3 city. Every fill up my computer creeps up a tenth or two. Keep on creeping!
1. I've been in love with 4 door trucks since I was a kid.
2. People in Los Angeles lets me change lane when I signal.
3. Tow my jet skis and dirt bikes (bad reasoning...a Tundra can too)
4. Power & Torque - I can go up the So Cal grapevine at more than 70MPH (with skis and bikes)! Yahoo! (can't say the same for Suburbans and Excursions)
In-lieu of constructing a garage big enough for my Superduty, I opted for the block heater. I did a cost comparison analysis and couldn't find a breakeven point.
I like the "Ranch Hand" brush guards. Real, heavy duty guards for real use. However, I'm ordering a Lariat and would like to keep the front end chrome.
Any and all help appreciated!
Joe
On order: F250 SD CC Lariat 4x4 Oxford White v8 3:73 trailer pkg tt mirrors tow pkg off rd pkg hvy front susp
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Else, go to Don Kott Ford and ask for Tony Lam, a very nice salesman. His manager is another story though.
For diesel, run the tank pretty empty between fillups or is it fine to keep filling up when the tank hits about half?
Thanks!
Should be ordering my truck next week and I'll post the details when the deed is done
Is there anything I should watch for in this process, or should I ask for anything special??
I wonder if the new engine will be a 99 or a 2000 with the higher HP rating???
Thanks
Is there anything I should watch for in this process, or should I ask for anything special??
I wonder if the new engine will be a 99 or a 2000 with the higher HP rating???
Thanks
I like your term of 'light detonation' better. I'll keep you informed. I agree with you, if its normal then ok, but if not, I'll do something about it.
I'm a 4x2 with 5sp tranny, so I don't qualify for the front spring squeak. As for your gas mileage, I'm averaging 15.5, but my truck weighs less than yours, has less air underneath (remember the 4x2 sits very slightly nose down vs. the level 4x4), and is a 5sp vs. automatic. So I would expect you to get somewhat less mpg, but not 10.5. I've already got 2000 miles on my truck so its well on its way to being broke in.. I bet your mpg will increase in the comming months..
This is for the vehicle that I ordered on 12/8!
Wahoo, can't wait to get my rig!
Build date week of 1/31.
Any feel for delivery date?
Thanks in advance for any and all replys.
Merry Christmas
I now have 4600 miles on my Y2K PSD auto 3.73 LS and am averaging 16 mpg.
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Before I ordered the 250 CC 4x4 I parked a 250 CC 4x2 in the garage and also a 350 CC dually with 4x4 and they both fit. The 350 CC dually with 4x4 must be a couple inches lower than the 4x4 SRW versions of 250/350.
I imagine when Ford does the dimensions, they post the max and not the average but don't know that for fact .. just hopeful speculation. My oldest son was at the house sunday and he suggested I take delivery and worry about fixing the problem if and when I have one ... he didn't offer financial support with his suggestion ... just in case we have to redesign the top of the garage opening to squeek the super duty in. What really amazed me is that my agreed with him ... I think she is secretly just as excited as I am.
dave84...thanks for the info on reprogramming the speed/odo meter. That is a trick I can keep in the bag if I need it.
motoring...thanks for the links.
gossamar...Now I'll have to find a way to fit a big screen in the garage for the SD to watch.
zrust...sounds like you are hearing the same exact vopc recording that I am. Keep me up to date as to delivery date please.
Gotta go
You can eliminate condensation in the gas tank in the winter by putting some HEAT additive in your tank with each fillup. I haven't been doing that this winter, but I probably should start. It use to be a habit. I would buy it a case at a time. It's not that expensive.
Just to add to what was said, DRW is Dual Rear Wheel (duallys) and SRW is Single Rear Wheel. The difference in payload is 8800 for the F-250 SRW, 9900 for the F-350 SRW and 11,200 for the F-350 DRW. For conventional towing with the V-10 or PSD, the max tow rating is 10,000 pounds for the F-250 and F-350. For fifth wheel towing, the ratings can be as high as 14,500 pounds depending on options. The F-250 has a higher fifth wheel tow rating than the F-350.
The duallys are 1-2 inches lower than the SRW. I want to say that it is 79 inches compared to 80 or 81 inches. I can tell that my truck is a tad lower than the SRW trucks.
I'll definitely concede that a dually is limited when it comes to most drive-thrus. Not being able to take it through car wash has been my biggest beef. However, in my opinion, it's no harder to drive around town once you get use to it. You basically forget the duallys are back there. I've seen SRW trucks hitting more curbs than I do. The longer wheel base is the problem with turns, much moreso than the width of the truck.
I don't need the towing or carrying capacity of the 350 at the moment, but I intend to keep my next truck for a long time and my needs could change. Will I pay a heavy penalty in comfort or
handling if I go for the 350 now? I want the V10 anyway, so the cost difference won't be that great. Has anyone been able to compare the two for more than a short test drive?
At what minimum speed does your overdrive kick in? Mine ingages at a minimum speed of 43mph. This sounds kind of high to me, but I would like some data from others with auto transmitions. Please provide engine and gearing info, thanks.
I have a Y2K SC 148" V10 4x4 3.73ls auto.
Current mileage with 1100 miles is about 10-10.5 city and 13-13.5 highway (empty). Overall average has been running between 10.5 to 11.4 on the overhead computer. Having a roll top installed today, hoping for some improvement.
For those of you about to order a V10 with the expectation of mileage just a shade worse than the 5.4 V8, you may want to re-think that assumption.
My original assumption (prior to ordering) was 1-2 mpg was worth the extra power, but the fact is the extra power will be more in the 5-6 mpg area if you use the power to any extent.
I have found that this engine will use as much gas as you want to pour into it. In other words the mpg is impacted by many outside factors, wind, uphill grades (small), upshift timing, how much gas you give it, etc. I can easily lower my current mpg from 10-13 to 8-10 by driving harder.
I love this truck, but I believe that prospective buyers considering the V10 should be made aware that some of the high mileage figures that have been posted here may not be obtainable if you use your gas at all.
If all you want is power, and don't care about mpg, than by all means go for it. This thing does have power, plenty of it. Other than the mpg thing I have no complaint with the truck at all, everything works flawlessly, and I haven't even had a problem with the cup holder.
I don't mean to come off crass I just dont get it!
Versus the V-8, the contention is that the average SD driver guns the engine harder than he would driving a V-10, so ends up getting almost the same mileage trying to make up for the "lack" of power.
Myself, I only test-drove a PSD and V-10, but my impression of trying the V-10 in a stripper F-350 (XL 2WD SC LB AT 3.73) was that I really wouldn't be happy with much less power, and that was unloaded.
Ever try to merge into 65mph freeway traffic from an uphill onramp with a load of scrap concrete chunks in the bed? You can do it with the beefy straight 6's or small V-8's you find in old trucks--I've done it!--but only with a gearbox fulla low, close-ratio gears and a big rearend (and your clutch springs better be fairly fresh, too).
I admit that, as gas prices have lingered in the $1.50 range even though the summer driving season is over, I'm starting to get a little leery about the future costs of driving my SD. But the rational choice for me is stepping down to an F-150 or going with a Silverado, not going with the V-8 in an SD. The V-10 offers the minimum power I feel comfortable with, even unloaded. With the cab fulla kids and wife, bed loaded up with hiking gear and dog, and a logging truck looming in my rearview as I hit the merge at 5,000' in the Sierras...I'm not going to miss the extra few MPG.
I could be wrong, but the best mpg I think I've heard with the 5.4L is from Bess and I want to say that was 15-16 hwy. I've heard several others getting a little less with the 5.4L. It could be related to driving habits.
On average, we've been hearing 13.5-14.5 hwy for the V-10 with 3.73. The mpg you are quoting is near the bottom end of that range, but still within it. That's a 1-2 mpg difference over the 5.4L. You mentioned 5-6mpg difference. That would put the 5.4L hwy mpg around 18-19.5 based on your hwy mpg. That's PSD territory, not 5.4L territory. I forget what Bess is getting in straight city driving. 12-13 mpg would put the 5.4L about 2mpg better in the city.
stangdude,
I don't think there is a lot of V-10 hype. The V-10 is simply the replacement for the 460. It has more hp and torque, gets better mpg and is supposedly a better built engine that will last longer. The 5.4L is the replacement engine for the 351. I had the 351 in my 92 F-250 and I had plenty of power for my needs. The difference between by 92 and the Superduty F-250 is a little over 1,000 pounds. The power would have still been adequate for my needs with the 92, although the power would have been less because there was more truck to move. My needs changed when I bought the Superduty, so I would have had to make the jump to the 460 or the diesel over 351 anyway.
As far as the decision between the diesel and the V-10, it comes down to a matter of needs and preferences. If you need or want a diesel, you shouldn't talk yourself out of it based on financial calculations. Ditto for the opposite. My folks have a 97 F-350 PSD 2wd dually with the 4.10. I have the 99 F-350 V-10 4wd dually with the 4.30. He gets 5mpg better than me. That is not insignificant, but I still spend quite a bit less on gas each month than the extra I would pay each month to finance the $4000. Obviously, there are other factors, but like I said, nobody should make their decision based on the financial calculations or break even analysis. If you need or want the diesel, you should get it. If you buy it simply for mpg, you probably will not be happy with it.
auto 4.10. So far I am getting 13mpg with almost all hwy driving. I am hoping this improves after the break in time, and after I put my shell on, but I am not hoping for much, maybe 15 mpg if I am lucky.
John
Hence, can anyone here explain/describe the piston slap.
What's my chances of getting the piston slap problem with a Y2K V10?
Thought I'd weigh in with my gas mileage for comparision's sake. The vitals of my SD are:
2k 5.4l CC 4x4 SB 4.10ls with 1k miles
I'm averaging 11.4 city / 15.8 highway.
Hoping this improves with break-in.
The truck also has the camper package which adds a bit of weight.
The truck is fantastic. Have not had a single prob with it so far. Waiting for Xmas cash to get a hard tonneau cover and a bug shield.
Anyone installed an antenna on the truck? I'm an amateur radio op and put a mag-mount on the roof. It's raining today and noticed rain is coming in around the gasket where the cable is crimping it. Guess I'll have to drill . Roof is location of choice. Any ideas? How does one get the headliner down?
I'm no expert on tires, but I suspect mpg goes down as tire size goes up. With my 92 F-250, I went from the stock 235s to 265s and then eventually up to 285s. I was definitely hitting more gas stations with the 285s. Of the three, I think the best tire for the truck was the 265. The 285s had a fuller look and I sat up higher, but I could tell that I was using more acceleration to get the truck rolling. But like I said, I'm no tire expert. I admit that I never thought about the potential of lower rpms related to bigger tires. Is that true? It's still the same truck (engine, tranny, rearend), just heavier because you are carrying more rubber. More weight, less mpg, but I could be wrong.
zrust,
I'm with you on the mpg issue. My 92 F-250HD 4x4 with the 351 (aka 5.8L) and 3.55 axle ratio averaged 14mpg hwy and 11-12 city. The best I ever got was just over 15mpg on a return trip from Seattle to LA. I must have had a tailwind. When I sold my truck, it had 86,000 miles on it and I recently put BF Goodrich A/T 285s on it. I was only getting a tad over 12 on the hwy with that setup. My V-10 dually 4x4 with 4.30 can get around 12 on flat interstate at 70ish. You can't buy a truck this big and expect miraculous mpg. The new gas engines from all of the manufacturers are getting better mpg than the engines they replaced.
As for mileage, I only get 9-12 mpg with my '89 Bronco with the 351. So, the V10 is a step up for me and a much nicer vehicle. We don't drive the vehicle hard as it is our "extra" one for trailering the horses and pop-up camper as well as long road trips to visit family and friends. The Bronco only has 95K miles on it.
Still waiting for a status change from clean and unscheduled. DORA 11/2. As I noted in an earlier post, my salesman reported that VOPC said the CD stereos is the holdup, est delivery 1/10/00 (ordered Pri 10).
This tank was mostly to/from work. Work is 21 miles away, mostly flat 2 lane road with 8 to 10 lights, and some congestion where I have to creep along for a few miles cause of all the housing developments that have popped up. This is what I call 'mixed driving'. Average speed is less than 45mph.
Also had one trip to the MX track (30 miles each way) mostly highway..
I don't think I've gotten much less than 15mpg yet, (maybe a 14.8 a while back but I'd have to check for sure).
Y2K f250 xlt sc sb 4x2 5.4l 5sp 4.10ls
fyi, shotgun1: I just filled up with 89 octane so I'll see if the 'light detonation' type sound goes away with this.
Basically the piston slap problem sounded like a knocking that occurs for a few minutes when you first start up on a cold morning (even at idle from my understanding), then goes away when the engine warms up..
You can look on www.f150online.com in the engine forums and there are alot of details there of exactly which engines had the problem.
Ordered the truck tonight, 250 SC LB, 4x4, PSD, auto, ABS, ESOF, dark toreador red over silver, captains chairs, premium sound.
Local dealer started out at $1500 over invoice plus $299 dealer handling (but the $1500 did include the FDAF and D&D).
AutoByTel came in at $950 over invoice (this invoice included the FDAF and D&D, no DH charge). Dealer was Medved Brutyn in Castle Rock (Jason Bowden).
Checked AAA (Automobile Club buying service) who found a dealer in Denver (Courtesy Ford) at $650 over invoice. (I'd called Courtesy Ford and talked to someone once who was supposed to call me back with a quote and didn't hear from them after 2-3 days).
Medved in Castle Rock matched the $650 (which Phil Long in C.S. wasn't willing to do) and bought the truck from Medved.
If you're a AAA member, I'd check out their buying service. They work with different dealers always looking for the best price.
I went with Medved since it was dealing directly with the dealer and they were willing to match the price of a cheaper dealer (which Phil Long wasn't willing to do).
How long do I have to wait to check VOPC for a status???
Your posts caused me to go out and measure my garage door height (how could I forget this?). Lucky for me, the guy who built my house, who is a SuperDuty man himself, put 8' x 9' garage doors on the house (whew)!
As I was looking at the doors, I noticed that the finish wood that wrapped the door was pretty thick, and was shimmed away from the framing. If I removed the wrap, I could gain another 2-3" of height. Hopefully, you can get away with similiar "minor surgery" on your doors. I think we all feel your pain on having the possibility of keeping your new baby outside...
I guess other alternative is to drive around with your tires deflated :-)
jepsonfam:
I ordered my F250 with the CD stereo on 12/8, and I got a build date on 12/10 (build week of 1/24), so if you don't get a build date soon, I would go back and ask your salesman to call VOPC again and find out the real problem (allocation?)...
I have only had mine on order for 6 days, and I keep telling myself that the "delayed gratification" is good for me.
I know that by the end of January I am going to be ready to bust if my truck does not show up
Good show! Glad to see you make the transition from the wannabes to the soontobees!
all:
Red October finally shipped via railcar on 12/11. Should have by 12/27 (late xmas present).
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"Red October" 2000 F250/CC/4X4/Lariet/V10/4.30LS/Bright Red Clearcoat ordered 10/15, shipped 12/10, ETA 12/27
Wildside1: Keep your hands off my truck while I'm gone!!
I'll let you all know how this turns out next Monday.
crazyelvis... the thing is stuck at the railhead. Ken said that status indicates eta week of 12/6 (same as vopc's been reporting all along). but of course; still no truck. finally found out that it was built 11/27... the 14th now so it ought to be here THIS WEEK! they're getting their truck's & bunches (32 last Wednesday... but nothing on any other day). Ken said the yard is REALLY busy (and you can well imagine that to be true at this time of year). we won't implement crazyelvis's "plan" UNLESS it looks to be after Christmas b4 we get our paws on the thing. note that we're right at 11 weeks this Thursday from order. If we get it this week the delivery scenario is "right on". (didn't want delivery b4 10/1 due to financial reasons) & Ken indicated that we'd have it sometime between there & Christmas. we'll see. I think that getting "bumped" back there in November on our build of one week actually cost us a couple of weeks on the delivery date. that got us into the holiday week for build & the vopc's failed to update the truck ever since (it STILL says the truck is scheduled to be BUILT week 11/22 for eta week of 12/6)!
lilelmo... don't "worry" too much about length of posts. I'm a little surprised that many of mine haven't been "bounced" for this very reason!
auto trans and 265 tires.
Mileage on the vehicle is 1200.
I'm hoping after break-in and first oil change (Mobil 1) the gas mileage will improve.
You have probably seen my posts about my low garage door .... if your SD has a caved in roof, you will know that someone borrowed it from Reynolds Ford in Norman OK. and tried to fit it in a garage that was too short. You wouldn't expect me to try to wedge mine in there first would you?
Seriously, please keep us informed as to how everything turns out .... amount of time to get from Dallas to Norman, etc. Have a great Xmas with the SD.
sdman ..... thanks for the info on garage framing etc., .... can't see what I have because my garage is finished inside but I imagine it is built the same as most ..... vertical weight bearing boards with two horizontal trim boards underneath. I'll tackle the problem after the baby arrives.
My 2K 250 CC LB V-10 5sp with 1400 miles is getting 13 on mixed driving, 2/3 hwy, 1/3 city. Every fill up my computer creeps up a tenth or two. Keep on creeping!
2. People in Los Angeles lets me change lane when I signal.
3. Tow my jet skis and dirt bikes (bad reasoning...a Tundra can too)
4. Power & Torque - I can go up the So Cal grapevine at more than 70MPH (with skis and bikes)! Yahoo! (can't say the same for Suburbans and Excursions)
5. Looks good.
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Any and all help appreciated!
Joe
On order: F250 SD CC Lariat 4x4 Oxford White v8 3:73 trailer pkg tt mirrors tow pkg off rd pkg hvy front susp