It's more of an exception rather than the rule. VERY few states don't tax them, the ones that do are ones that allow the rebate to be assigned to the dealership... then they deduct it off the price of the car.
Just to expand a bit on this. "Rebates" are exactly that - money directly back to the consumer (or assigned to the dealer to lower the price). They are to be distinguished from "dealer incentives" from a manufacturer that may be passed on to a buyer in the form of a lower price.
Generally speaking, the former is usually taxable (depending on state). The latter is not taxable anywhere that I know of.
Generally speaking, the former is usually taxable (depending on state). The latter is not taxable anywhere that I know of.
And all this time I thought PA was a “tax anything you can state”. Sooo, if I ever move I’m only going to consider other states like PA...say like HI.
Now, HI not taking the opportunity to tax something is a real surprise. After all, isn’t that place known for their “Paradise Tax”. :surprise:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
When purchasing something at bestbuy, tax is paid on the whole amount with a coupon submitted for a manufacturer's rebate while at the dealer you sign a form assigning the rebate to the dealer thus allowing the purchase price to be reduced before taxes.
"Paradise Tax"?
Does $1 a pack state tax sound about right for cigarettes? Then taxed again at purchase at 4.71%? At least our gas tax isn't too bad at $.18 per gallon.
The hotel room tax at 11.417% for anyone renting a hotel room may not be that bad but of course it is taxed again another 4.71% on top of it at checkout....
I don't smoke, Brentwood, but if you do, most of the South NJ people quickly drive across the Delaware Memorial Bridge and pay a LOT LESS.My cleaning lady is a smoker and she makes the trip about once a month and loads up. I forget what she said she pays, but the trip alone is well worth her savings. Plus, no State sales tax in Delaware. I know, it's not legal, but it seems everyone does it. More or less like the "Don't drive while useing the cell phone law". NORTSR
Well, I firmly believe that the balance of vices stays constant - can't quit one without picking up another. Since I can't afford gambling, I'm sticking with alcohol
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Have dealerships begun to navigate away from internet salespeople? A few years ago, it was easy to get a price quote online for a vehicle I was interested in.
Now, I either get no reply at all from a dealer or I get a form email stating they need to get more information from me about what I'm looking for in a vehicle.
Has anyone else experienced this recently? I used to get an email reply with a price quote, but not anymore. Have dealerships found out that giving price quotes doesn't really generate sales, or have they stopped this for some other reason like competition?
Has anyone else experienced this recently? I used to get an email reply with a price quote, but not anymore. Have dealerships found out that giving price quotes doesn't really generate sales, or have they stopped this for some other reason like competition?
It's just like calling a dealership on the phone now. After all now every dealer has a internet dept. If they all "whore" out cars then every deal would be a loser deal for the dealership. Plus there are so many different model and equipment that whne you do email you may I am interested in Altima. Well Altimas can range in price from $21000 - $32000 :mad:
On first contact we go for an appointment, no price discussed, if on the reply the customer is adamant then we shoot a price at them. We run about 70% close ratio on the set appointments and about 10% on the ones we just shoot a price at.
We run about 70% close ratio on the set appointments and about 10% on the ones we just shoot a price at.
I didn't visit the ones that failed to give a quote. I filled out that Edmunds.com computer quote thing, and this dealer asked me to call. When they failed to give a quote saying I had to come in, I asked if they could beat my number. He first told me he didn't have the car, and then said I would have to come in and meet his manager. I thanked him for his time.
I am having the same problem. I have used both edmunds.com and cars.com to try to get quotes and get no were. So I sent out several emails myself telling exacting what I want and telling them I don't have time to go from dealership to dealership to haggle over price (which is true). I also state I have cash in hand and ready to buy now, still nowhere. I have even told a couple dealerships if they can't work with me via email first then I will go elsewhere. But sense I don't have to buy a vehicle it's no skin off my back.
I think most dealers are afraid that if they give you their best price you will just use it to get a $50 better deal somewhere else. If they give you a price that makes them some profit then they never hear from you again.
When you come into the store your very presence confirms that you are interested in buying a car FROM THAT STORE. It also gives the salesman the chance to backpedal from a price that you think is too high.
Also, every salesman has to believe he/she can sell you if he has you in front of him/her. You can't "read" the body language of an e-mail.
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right, but we don't know if the quote they get will be lower than what they thought they should pay. and if anyone is likely to offer a quote via email, i would think they could be successful there.
now as far as getting a better deal by going into the dealership? yes, i agree, you *should* be able to do better. the question is, is it worth this person's time, effort, worry doing so? personally, i think yes, but the poster may think otherwise.
You talk to most sales people here and they'll state that internet leads aren't very valuable for them, for all the same reasons everyone has stated.
The issue, at least from my perspective, why have an internet quote dept, if they aren't going to utilize it? Don't know the answer to that.
I'm of the mind that you always strike your best deal by being at the dealership, in front of them, when you're ready to buy. If a price is "doable", even if it's a skinny deal, I think most dealerships will jump on the opportunity to move iron. There's no reasonable prospect of closing someone who's just asking for a price on the internet.
That said, there have been some reports here of people asking for, and getting a price via the internet. Then, they just go in, do the paperwork, and drive away in their new car.
I got somewhere around a dozen internet leads last week. None of them gave me enough information for an accurate price quote.
Sure I could have quoted them a price on the lowest equipped model they were interested in or give them the lowest mileage best term lease but if that wasn't what they wanted I would just upset them.
I sent emails to all of them thanking them for their request and asking a few questions. Only one of them replied back to me. The rest never even bothered to respond. The one person who did respond back wanted me to drive a nearly 100,000 dollar vehicle to his office about an hour away so he could test drive it. He was just too buy to come out and look at the car himself.
I wasn't going to put over a 100 miles on a car that expensive when it wasn't even the color he was interested in.
We emailed back and forth a few more times he agreed to come in one day later on in the week. He came in and the instant his wife sat in the car she nixed it out right. She was not interested in it at all. It was too big, too tall, the seats were uncomfortable, etc. They never even drove it. Good thing I didn't waste all my time driving it out to see him when his wife wouldn't have even been there.
I am working with them on a Range Rover Sport SC instead of the big Range Rover SC. A completely different car then what he thought he was interested in and he didn't even know it existed till he came out here and looked at it. His wife likes it much better then the big range rover and if we can come to some agreement on price I think we will have a deal. The problem is he wants to pay no profit and I want it all since I only have one SC Sport in stock and only three more unsold allocated units till the end of the year.
"Are you sure there is not a large incentive you have missed?"
Yep, read what you signed carefully. Make sure it doesn't state "Incentives to dealer". They can be sneaky little devils. It's entirely up to you to take care of you, and it looks like you are trying to do that, being that you are here.
That said, there have been some reports here of people asking for, and getting a price via the internet. Then, they just go in, do the paperwork, and drive away in their new car.
Note: This response is directed to poster ‘goltz’ so I hope he/she is still out there because I know Mr. graphicguy doesn’t need this information.
That’s almost the way it was for me when I started via the internet in 2005 and 2006.
In 2005 the internet quote was pretty close to my price so I called the salesman and told him if he could meet my price we had a deal. He said the price I received via e-mail was the best price he could give me without me coming to the showroom but he led me to believe that they could meet my price if only I would come in. Since they were pretty close to my home I said OK but it’s either my price or there was not going to be a deal. Again he said something like, “please come in we have a policy here about not lowering our e-mail price until the customer comes in, I’m sure we can due business, what time can you come in”? I reminded him once again of my terms and he said, “just come in you won’t be disappointed”.
So, I tell Mrs. jmonroe to get ready, because we’re probably going to buy a car. To make a long story short, we go to the show room I take a test drive, go to the negotiating table and the salesman says my favorite line, “let’s split the difference” (he is $300 higher than my price) so I said “NO” as I was getting up to leave (Mrs. jmonroe was still sitting there and I said, “lets go, it’s over”) the salesman jumps up and at the same time the sales manager comes over and asks what’s wrong so I told him the WHOLE story and he says to the salesman, “write it up, it’s getting late” (they closed at 9 and it was about 8:45). Simple, huh?
In 2006 it was even easier. After I got an internet quote which was about $300 higher (different dealer) I called the internet guy but he was out because of a minor medical procedure so the receptionist passed me to a “senior salesman” (her words). I tell him the story and he puts me on hold for only a couple of minutes then says, “all we can do is take $200 off the internet price”. I thank him for his time and am about to hang up and he says, “let me go talk to my sales manager and I’ll call you back within 30 minutes, OK”? I said, “OK but I’m going to hold you to that 30 minutes”. He calls back in 20 minutes and says, “if you buy today, we have a deal”. I bought that day.
So there you have it 2 sales that started via the internet and the combined time for these 2 purchases wasn’t even 60 minutes (excluding the test drive and F&I time).
Since I’m a somewhat sane person why would I want to mess around with the traditional sales experience?
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
wow. if i was within $300, i'd be having them write it up.
For me that would depend. I would have an absolute ceiling on the price that I was going to pay. If that $300 extra kept the car under that limit I would go for it. If it pushed it over that limit then its a no go (regardless of how close it was to that limit).
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yeah, i guess when I'm looking at a vehicle and i price it out, i'm initially thinking x +/-y. if they are within y of x, but still high, it's a yes. if they are outside of y and much lower than what i figure is fair based on my research, i'm not complaining. :shades:
BR, we now look at the internet lead as the new lot up. People that used to come out to the lot to look at a car and get a price now do it from home. The big difference though is that now the consumer can get 20 quotes with the click of a button.
I honestly believe that some consumers suffer from information overload. They get numerous quotes on what turns out to be never the same car. One with a roof, one with out, one with Nav, one with out, one with Roof and Nav, one with out. The result is the consumer does not know how to decipher the information and get so confused they forget what they wanted to buy in the first place.
One thing we do now if the customer will not set an appointment (especially in our truck line because there are so many variations) is if a consumer sends in a generic quote like, "I want you best price on a Super Cab F150. I am asking 10 dealers best price gets my business", we will reply with an email telling the consumer that depending on the actual truck you pick out the price will be between $24500 and $29,200, less the rebate for the specific model you choose which could be up to $5300. All prices are before taxes and Doc Fee and the rebates will vary if you choose FMC low rate program WAC
Now as you probably already know what happens sopmetimes is Mr Customer shows up and wants the $29K truck for $24K because all they remember from the whole thing is the $24K price, but at least it keeps us from sending blind quotes.
Now if the consumer is specific on the model they want then we are specific on our pricing.
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wow. if i was within $300, i'd be having them write it up.
Why? I did my research, came up with what I thought was a doable number and both dealers proved it by accepting my price. Why should I give away $300 of even $100 if I don’t have to? They won't.
How many times have we heard, from the guys in the biz on these Edmunds boards, “if you don’t ask, you don’t get”. All I was doing was asking. I was unarmed. They didn’t have to accept my offer.
As far as I’m concerned, that asking thing works both ways. :surprise:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
As far as I’m concerned, that asking thing works both ways
Is there an Edmonds hand book that I didn't get to read that says each scenario stated by any party on the subject of negotiation will be required to have at least one response that reads
As far as I’m concerned, that(insert topic here) thing works both ways.
I'm not exactly sure of the scenario, i.e. who speaks the numbers first. So I see your point. But, if I've done my research thoroughly, I'm not going to be overly concerned about optimizing the transaction there. We should be within the $300 or I need to walk because they aren't respecting the fact I'm ready and I'm putting an offer on the table where they make good money. I'll be putting a lot down, and I'll be financing but paying it off real quickly. You're probably doing the same, and saving a bit more than the $300 i may give up, since your research is probably superior to mine and you want to be a bit more agressive in the tete-a-tete dept.
I feel I should know what a good deal is, and have done my homework, so if a seller isn't engaging me, I'm gone, maybe quicker than you, maybe not.
Now if the consumer is specific on the model they want then we are specific on our pricing.
Yes, I understand dealers need to know exactly what I want, so when I have requested 99% of quotes, it's always been by going to the manufacturer's web site, searching local inventory, viewing a specific vehicle, and clicking the button option to get a quote on that specific vehicle, so I think I should get a specific quote on that vehicle -- but that's where the issues are -- either no reply or no quote and asking for more information.
LOL. . .I decided to take another approach. I have also asked a different dealer if they have a truck with these specific features: Colorado, extended cab, auto, 4WD, side airbags, red or blue, in the low $XX,XXX price range. I did not receive a direct answer if they had one -- I got an invitation to come to the dealer and he added that he could look and that other dealers' lots had several of them. . . So, I guess that meant no??? :P
I am not picking on dealers but I did think that was kind of funny.
Well that is stupid. If they aren't going to give you some kind of price when you are asking about a specific vehicle in stock then they shouldn't even by signed up with the manufacturers website.
I don't need someone to ask about a specific vehicle I have on the ground but at the very least I need to know the options they want. Color would help too since some colors are very difficult to get.
Is there an Edmonds hand book that I didn't get to read that says each scenario stated by any party on the subject of negotiation will be required to have at least one response that reads
When your dues are paid in full (no monthlies accepted) you'll get the "hand book".
Although I've complained to Edmunds that since you guys in the biz haven't made your book available to us buyers, the Edmunds book should not be available to you guys. However, all I got from this complaint was that "Edmunds treats all of their paid up members equally".
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Well that is stupid. If they aren't going to give you some kind of price when you are asking about a specific vehicle in stock then they shouldn't even by signed up with the manufacturers website.
I tried that twice. One time, I got an email asking me to call them and another time, I got an email asking me what I was looking for :confuse:
I only use it now to prequalify sales reps to see if I can get a good one to work with. One time, I got a quote and of course the request to call him. I gave him the range that he was off by and told him that I didn't mind calling him, but if he couldn't be competitive, it was Ok; let's just move on. When I called he gave me price higher than his email quote. What a winner this guy was.
The thing that bugs me the most is the stupid "we will not be undersold on price" and "we guarantee the lowest price" these guys put on their emails.
It's even getting hard to use email to prequalify sales reps now. Many of the leads are answered by Internet Managers who are the furthest thing away from managers. They are hired to prequalify and sift through leads and have no authority to do anything. I once got a reply from one of those Internet Managers with no price quote and to call. So I did. Every question of sbstance I asked him, he had to call me back on. I gave up.
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Generally speaking, the former is usually taxable (depending on state). The latter is not taxable anywhere that I know of.
And all this time I thought PA was a “tax anything you can state”. Sooo, if I ever move I’m only going to consider other states like PA...say like HI.
Now, HI not taking the opportunity to tax something is a real surprise. After all, isn’t that place known for their “Paradise Tax”. :surprise:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
"Paradise Tax"?
Does $1 a pack state tax sound about right for cigarettes? Then taxed again at purchase at 4.71%? At least our gas tax isn't too bad at $.18 per gallon.
The hotel room tax at 11.417% for anyone renting a hotel room may not be that bad but of course it is taxed again another 4.71% on top of it at checkout....
I know, it's not legal, but it seems everyone does it. More or less like the "Don't drive while useing the cell phone law".
NORTSR
very much.
Its legal unless you are bringing cases across or are reselling them.
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4 more weeks of Chemo and I am clear methinks! woo hoo!
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Isn't that why it's called the GOOD book ? :shades:
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From this article in the Toronto Star.
Now why didn't I think of that.
Now, I either get no reply at all from a dealer or I get a form email stating they need to get more information from me about what I'm looking for in a vehicle.
Has anyone else experienced this recently? I used to get an email reply with a price quote, but not anymore. Have dealerships found out that giving price quotes doesn't really generate sales, or have they stopped this for some other reason like competition?
Thanks.
It's just like calling a dealership on the phone now. After all now every dealer has a internet dept. If they all "whore" out cars then every deal would be a loser deal for the dealership. Plus there are so many different model and equipment that whne you do email you may I am interested in Altima. Well Altimas can range in price from $21000 - $32000 :mad:
I didn't visit the ones that failed to give a quote. I filled out that Edmunds.com computer quote thing, and this dealer asked me to call. When they failed to give a quote saying I had to come in, I asked if they could beat my number. He first told me he didn't have the car, and then said I would have to come in and meet his manager. I thanked him for his time.
I think most dealers are afraid that if they give you their best price you will just use it to get a $50 better deal somewhere else. If they give you a price that makes them some profit then they never hear from you again.
When you come into the store your very presence confirms that you are interested in buying a car FROM THAT STORE. It also gives the salesman the chance to backpedal from a price that you think is too high.
Also, every salesman has to believe he/she can sell you if he has you in front of him/her. You can't "read" the body language of an e-mail.
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However, since the service has no charge, you might as well try it.
now as far as getting a better deal by going into the dealership? yes, i agree, you *should* be able to do better. the question is, is it worth this person's time, effort, worry doing so? personally, i think yes, but the poster may think otherwise.
The issue, at least from my perspective, why have an internet quote dept, if they aren't going to utilize it? Don't know the answer to that.
I'm of the mind that you always strike your best deal by being at the dealership, in front of them, when you're ready to buy. If a price is "doable", even if it's a skinny deal, I think most dealerships will jump on the opportunity to move iron. There's no reasonable prospect of closing someone who's just asking for a price on the internet.
That said, there have been some reports here of people asking for, and getting a price via the internet. Then, they just go in, do the paperwork, and drive away in their new car.
Sure I could have quoted them a price on the lowest equipped model they were interested in or give them the lowest mileage best term lease but if that wasn't what they wanted I would just upset them.
I sent emails to all of them thanking them for their request and asking a few questions. Only one of them replied back to me. The rest never even bothered to respond. The one person who did respond back wanted me to drive a nearly 100,000 dollar vehicle to his office about an hour away so he could test drive it. He was just too buy to come out and look at the car himself.
I wasn't going to put over a 100 miles on a car that expensive when it wasn't even the color he was interested in.
We emailed back and forth a few more times he agreed to come in one day later on in the week. He came in and the instant his wife sat in the car she nixed it out right. She was not interested in it at all. It was too big, too tall, the seats were uncomfortable, etc. They never even drove it. Good thing I didn't waste all my time driving it out to see him when his wife wouldn't have even been there.
I am working with them on a Range Rover Sport SC instead of the big Range Rover SC. A completely different car then what he thought he was interested in and he didn't even know it existed till he came out here and looked at it. His wife likes it much better then the big range rover and if we can come to some agreement on price I think we will have a deal. The problem is he wants to pay no profit and I want it all since I only have one SC Sport in stock and only three more unsold allocated units till the end of the year.
Yep, read what you signed carefully. Make sure it doesn't state "Incentives to dealer". They can be sneaky little devils. It's entirely up to you to take care of you, and it looks like you are trying to do that, being that you are here.
Note: This response is directed to poster ‘goltz’ so I hope he/she is still out there because I know Mr. graphicguy doesn’t need this information.
That’s almost the way it was for me when I started via the internet in 2005 and 2006.
In 2005 the internet quote was pretty close to my price so I called the salesman and told him if he could meet my price we had a deal. He said the price I received via e-mail was the best price he could give me without me coming to the showroom but he led me to believe that they could meet my price if only I would come in. Since they were pretty close to my home I said OK but it’s either my price or there was not going to be a deal. Again he said something like, “please come in we have a policy here about not lowering our e-mail price until the customer comes in, I’m sure we can due business, what time can you come in”? I reminded him once again of my terms and he said, “just come in you won’t be disappointed”.
So, I tell Mrs. jmonroe to get ready, because we’re probably going to buy a car. To make a long story short, we go to the show room I take a test drive, go to the negotiating table and the salesman says my favorite line, “let’s split the difference” (he is $300 higher than my price) so I said “NO” as I was getting up to leave (Mrs. jmonroe was still sitting there and I said, “lets go, it’s over”) the salesman jumps up and at the same time the sales manager comes over and asks what’s wrong so I told him the WHOLE story and he says to the salesman, “write it up, it’s getting late” (they closed at 9 and it was about 8:45). Simple, huh?
In 2006 it was even easier. After I got an internet quote which was about $300 higher (different dealer) I called the internet guy but he was out because of a minor medical procedure so the receptionist passed me to a “senior salesman” (her words). I tell him the story and he puts me on hold for only a couple of minutes then says, “all we can do is take $200 off the internet price”. I thank him for his time and am about to hang up and he says, “let me go talk to my sales manager and I’ll call you back within 30 minutes, OK”? I said, “OK but I’m going to hold you to that 30 minutes”. He calls back in 20 minutes and says, “if you buy today, we have a deal”. I bought that day.
So there you have it 2 sales that started via the internet and the combined time for these 2 purchases wasn’t even 60 minutes (excluding the test drive and F&I time).
Since I’m a somewhat sane person why would I want to mess around with the traditional sales experience?
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
For me that would depend. I would have an absolute ceiling on the price that I was going to pay. If that $300 extra kept the car under that limit I would go for it. If it pushed it over that limit then its a no go (regardless of how close it was to that limit).
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I honestly believe that some consumers suffer from information overload. They get numerous quotes on what turns out to be never the same car. One with a roof, one with out, one with Nav, one with out, one with Roof and Nav, one with out. The result is the consumer does not know how to decipher the information and get so confused they forget what they wanted to buy in the first place.
One thing we do now if the customer will not set an appointment (especially in our truck line because there are so many variations) is if a consumer sends in a generic quote like, "I want you best price on a Super Cab F150. I am asking 10 dealers best price gets my business", we will reply with an email telling the consumer that depending on the actual truck you pick out the price will be between $24500 and $29,200, less the rebate for the specific model you choose which could be up to $5300. All prices are before taxes and Doc Fee and the rebates will vary if you choose FMC low rate program WAC
Now as you probably already know what happens sopmetimes is Mr Customer shows up and wants the $29K truck for $24K because all they remember from the whole thing is the $24K price, but at least it keeps us from sending blind quotes.
Now if the consumer is specific on the model they want then we are specific on our pricing.
wow. if i was within $300, i'd be having them write it up.
Why? I did my research, came up with what I thought was a doable number and both dealers proved it by accepting my price. Why should I give away $300 of even $100 if I don’t have to? They won't.
How many times have we heard, from the guys in the biz on these Edmunds boards, “if you don’t ask, you don’t get”. All I was doing was asking. I was unarmed. They didn’t have to accept my offer.
As far as I’m concerned, that asking thing works both ways. :surprise:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
Is there an Edmonds hand book that I didn't get to read that says each scenario stated by any party on the subject of negotiation will be required to have at least one response that reads
As far as I’m concerned, that(insert topic here) thing works both ways.
Uh oh.. that might mean you aren't going to be here, next week..
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I feel I should know what a good deal is, and have done my homework, so if a seller isn't engaging me, I'm gone, maybe quicker than you, maybe not.
Now if the consumer is specific on the model they want then we are specific on our pricing.
Yes, I understand dealers need to know exactly what I want, so when I have requested 99% of quotes, it's always been by going to the manufacturer's web site, searching local inventory, viewing a specific vehicle, and clicking the button option to get a quote on that specific vehicle, so I think I should get a specific quote on that vehicle -- but that's where the issues are -- either no reply or no quote and asking for more information.
LOL. . .I decided to take another approach. I have also asked a different dealer if they have a truck with these specific features: Colorado, extended cab, auto, 4WD, side airbags, red or blue, in the low $XX,XXX price range. I did not receive a direct answer if they had one -- I got an invitation to come to the dealer and he added that he could look and that other dealers' lots had several of them. . . So, I guess that meant no??? :P
I am not picking on dealers but I did think that was kind of funny.
I don't need someone to ask about a specific vehicle I have on the ground but at the very least I need to know the options they want. Color would help too since some colors are very difficult to get.
The comment I made in post 4074 was referring to what you just said above. That's why I said what I did.
You guys in the biz taught me that.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
When your dues are paid in full (no monthlies accepted) you'll get the "hand book".
Although I've complained to Edmunds that since you guys in the biz haven't made your book available to us buyers, the Edmunds book should not be available to you guys. However, all I got from this complaint was that "Edmunds treats all of their paid up members equally".
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I tried that twice. One time, I got an email asking me to call them and another time, I got an email asking me what I was looking for :confuse:
I only use it now to prequalify sales reps to see if I can get a good one to work with. One time, I got a quote and of course the request to call him. I gave him the range that he was off by and told him that I didn't mind calling him, but if he couldn't be competitive, it was Ok; let's just move on. When I called he gave me price higher than his email quote. What a winner this guy was.
The thing that bugs me the most is the stupid "we will not be undersold on price" and "we guarantee the lowest price" these guys put on their emails.
It's even getting hard to use email to prequalify sales reps now. Many of the leads are answered by Internet Managers who are the furthest thing away from managers. They are hired to prequalify and sift through leads and have no authority to do anything. I once got a reply from one of those Internet Managers with no price quote and to call. So I did. Every question of sbstance I asked him, he had to call me back on. I gave up.
Well, that's the problem! You need to learn how to spell Edmunds correctly. :shades:
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