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Nissan Titan vs. Dodge Ram Hemi
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what is a "HatcheeScratchee"?
Although the comparison was rediculous on the face of it, I did look it up. I did Kelleys Blue Book. The most expensive Frontier 4dr Supercharged truck for 2003 only yields a $16,875 at 12,000 miles. A 2003 RAM Hemi SLT Quad 2wd with automatic and no optional equipment with the same mileage lists at $18,375.
Based on used 2003s 2wd with 12,000 miles, my zip code, and all rated "excellent" condition. Base equipment on all accept larger engines optioned for Ford and Chevy to match the Hemi:
2003 RAM SLT Quad 5.7 auto $29,195 list ----$18,625 (delta $10,820)
2003 F150 XLT Supercrew 5.4 auto $30,710 list ---- $19,625 (delta $11,085)
2003 Silverado LS Quad 6.0 auto $33,580 list ---- $21,550 (delta $12,030)
Advantage, Dodge.
Since you posted the numbers showing the depreciation amount, I wondered what the percentages were...
RAM 37.1
F150 36.1
Chev 35.8
While that would indicate that the Chev took the least percentage of hit, it is still so close that being happy with what I was driving would make the most difference to me. That 1.3% difference would mean nothing if I didn't like the truck.
Cheers.
In reality local market values vary much more than 1.3% ( even varying during the year) meaning in any given market it could be a wash for any of these trucks, or the advantage to Dodge or Ford.
But your point is very well taken.
Regards,
Dusty
Oh, and yes. I think you've confirmed another suspicion. Even though my '93 Sentra said it was built in Smyrna, Tennesee, I had been told that Nissan had secretly imported foreign labor from Asia to displace all those lazy Americans who couldn't design a mousetrap or find themselves out of a paper bag.
(By the way, a good little car it was, but it was as close to beating a Hemi RAM as Bill Clinton was the first "black" American president.)
It's funny though that Nissan builds Sentras and Frontiers in Aguascalientes and Cuernavaca Mexico. Boy, wait till the world finds out that some little son of Nippon is reaping profits by allowing Nissans to be built by 10-year-olds.
---maybe because you arent used to something that works CORRECTLY???
you also said: "Domestic cars and trucks are easier to work on, cost less, parts are less expensive..."
---i guess they know what their merchandise is REALLY worth, huh?
and finally, you said: "and put more Americans and Canadians to work than any import brand."
---really? show me the facts...please...oh, sorry...you cant. there arent any. the domestic brands export more jobs to mexico and taiwan/phillipines/SE asia than any others. all but 2 nissan vehicles are built here. all but 2 honda vehicles are built here, and more than half of the toyota vehicles are built here.
OTOH, ford builds the focus, escape, some freestars, and even super duty pickups/excursions in mexico. THAT'S sure putting americans to work!
oh...and dodge and GM arent any more innocent either.
I havent had a lick of trouble with my Explorer....until the warranty ended after 60,000 miles lol. Since then I've had my driver side door lock jam closed $250 to fix. I've had a rear seatbelt latch not work, somehow my emergency brake cable snapped, I've had a fog light fill with water somehow and that needs to be replaced. Sigh rofl. Been about alomst $1,000 in repairs.
All Freestarts for the U.S. market are built in Canada, and Escapes are built in two places. One being Kansas City, Kansas, and the other being Claycomo, Missouri. All new F-150's will be produced in the U.S.
While I guess you are entitled to your opinion Bowke, the domestic auto companies employ way more people in the U.S. than Nissan does, and thats a fact. Nissan produces two vehicles here you say? Great! Better here then some place else. However, I want my dollar to go back to Michigan. There is so much more to a vehicle than just the building process. There is the engineering, the design, the drawing etc. So I really don't buy that "we are domestics to" line. Anyway, I appologize to all those here for the Titan v.s. Ram discussion for being off topic, but lets say I felt the need to correct a skewed post.
Amen! They do put more of Americans to work..Go mechanics union go!
Next it turns into Foreign vs U.S. As if somehow buying import is unamerican. Just don't buy gasoline(it's all foreign). This is where it starts to get personal & pointless.
Then the thread turns into chaos for an extended period because everyone has shredded eachother and basically accomplished nothing.
Hopefully that's not the case here....
This is still Titan vs Ram !!
The mechanic thought that the previous repair for the blown head gasket might have caused the problem due to manifold not being torqued properly.
Fortunately my wife was following me in her Ford Pinto so we had some reliable transportation while we waited for the Nissan to be repaired. <grin>
Now I drive a more reliable Ram 1500 Quad cab 5.7 V8 2wd. It puts a smile on my face every time I get behind the wheel.
--Don't you mean you choose brand name over quality. This is the first year that Nissan has made a full size truck. So, what quality have they proven. Your choosing the Titan based on the Nissan name for building quality CARS, this is a truck (FULL SIZE). I think that you need to give it at least a year before you start testifying on their quality.
I will have to find where the guy quoted this but according to JD Power 1,2,3 for least problemed vehicle are
Lexus
Infiniti
Buick
http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_decade_best_2/index.htm
Here's a little quote for those that believe that the Nissan motor is superior, "And although both the Triton and Endurance V-8s are unlikely to leave the owners of their respective pickup trucks feeling shortchanged, the simple fact is neither could surpass the Hemi — either in raw numbers or on-the-road punch."
Maybe readers of this forum who are trying to decide which truck to buy should consider the source of the opinions they read here. I hope they listen to professional reviewers and automotive experts rather than those on this forum who are trying to justify their own purchases or who have some sort of misplaced brand bias.
The Titan may be a nice truck, but the Hemi motor is more powerful. Facts are facts.
heck...even the ford has more torque than the hemi.
heck...the Hemi has more torque than the Ford.
Why would anyone listen to your opinion when you can not get basic facts and figures straight?
as it is, the titan has more torque than the hemi...at lower RPMs. also, the ford achieves its max torque at much lower RPMs than the hemi, which is why it STILL has a higher towing/payload rating than the dodge.
The previous post lacked the specificity of engine or model, of course. In the ambiguous way it was presented it would have little four-door Sentra SEs with the GA16 (1.6) engine turning asphalt back into raw petroleum while the Hemi RAM came in second in a "fair" race.
The blatant foolishness of the original comment aside, folks should understand that the '93 Sentra SE-R was a 2-door subcompact with a specially prepared 2.0 liter engine, the SR20DE, delivering 140 horsepower at 6400 rpm to a 2324 pound car. It is obviously one of 1993s pocket-rockets.
Despite the fact that the Hemi sports a little more horsepower per pound, the comparison between a car of any type to a truck is ridiculous at best. A truck suffers from a considerable more dynamic and parasitic power losses working through much larger and heavier driveline components. The fact is, the '93 Sentra SE-R is most likely faster than ANY truck built in 1993, or most built now.
The comparison is the equivalent to saying that a Dodge RAM can carry more weight than a Sentra SE-R and the point would be just as ludicrous. The Hemi must be pretty intimidating to Dodge detractors based on some of silly and inaccurate comments made in here.
With regards to trucks, torque is more of a factor as someone else pointed out. But, just comparing raw horsepower or torque numbers is overly simplistic and not the end of the story. It is usable power at speed and for that the true test is knowing the horsepower and torque curves. If your four-valve motor makes 55% of it's power above 3100 rpm, what in the heck good is it in a truck?
Dusty
Again, drive the trucks and make up your own mind. There's much more to a truck than the motor.
Best regards,
Dusty
As Dankirk pointed out, "There's much more to a truck...
I have a co-worker that claims that his Tundra is almost a one ton truck because it has a gross payload of over 1800lb. You can't explain to him that it has too much rear overhang to hual large loads or tow heavy trailers safely.
On one of the other threads I asked if the Tundra still has an 8 inch rear diff. Someone responded that the 8" rear end is awsome in the (1000lb lighter) Tacoma, appearantly not understanding the difference in demands between compact trucks and "almost a one ton"
I hope the Titan is sucessful because the competition will be good for us consumers and give us another choice
The Titan is not for everybody. It's for people who like to try new things new ideas new concepts new technology. This is one heck of a truck for Nissan's first full size truck. Yes, this truck is for the Modern truck person.. Traditional owners will be hard to convince to the change they are brand loyal. Ignorance unfortunately but we are all ignorant sometimes.
Thanks