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  • manoftastemanoftaste Member Posts: 51
    thanks roverine and grommet.

    i might be taking the plunge within a few days, and it would probably be HSE (2006). just wondering how many miles should i expect to have on my brand new vehicle, when i drive it off the dealer's place.

    also, i haven't discussed the price etc with the dealer yet. when i did the "build your own LR3" thing on the LR site, with all the options that i want (everything) the price came up to $55,825. just wondering how much discount should i be expecting or in otherwords what woud be the fair price i should pay.

    another thing, are there more tire options for the 19" or 18" wheels... i personally like the 18" as it would be a little better than 19 for offroading but HSEs do not come with it so i am stuck with the 19s. also, i have motorolla razor v3, will i be able to use th PTI option to its full potential...

    any ideas would be greatly appreciated...
  • grommetgrommet Member Posts: 445
    Pricing depends on your market... and your dealer, of course. :) You can try the LR3 Price Paid forum. We only have relatively small dealers here in the S.F. Bay Area and loaded LR3s are somewhat rare. You can try Edmunds' "TMV" pricing report.

    The only way to get "full potential" of the PTI option is to use a phone that has a physical cradle. That's quite a short list. The V3/Razr won't be in the cradle plans due to it's "no dock" design. Sorry. You can answer the phone, use the # keypad, & use voice tags to dial, though. Just like any Bluetooth phone.

    Yeah, 19" wheels limit your choices... if cost is no option, importing some Goodyear Wrangler MT/R 255/55/19s from the UK is an option. :surprise: Keeping a 2nd set of smaller wheels might be smarter.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Member Posts: 134
    Could someone please post the recommended oil types used with the LR3?
    i.e. synthetic or regular, 5W30 etc and temperature ranges for those weights.
    Thanks
    Jack
  • grommetgrommet Member Posts: 445
    Both V6 and V8 engines use SAE 5W/30 and is shipped from the factory with "regular" oil. (I think it's Castrol GTX brand.) 8 and 6 quarts, respectively, for oil changes. Not sure Land Rover advertises a "temperature range" for the oil.
  • lr3tjxjlr3tjxj Member Posts: 5
    My dealer has just filled my LR3 V6 with Valvoline 5w-40 Synthetic. I specifically asked for a Synthetic Lubricant for my first oil change(3000 Miles).

    ALR
  • manoftastemanoftaste Member Posts: 51
    thanks grommet. what about the mileage, how many miles should the truck have before i take i off the lot....
  • grommetgrommet Member Posts: 445
    Well, that's up to how much the vehicle was test driven or transported "on street." As low as 4, as much as a few hundred. No "rule" exists.
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    I've had my Land Rover LR3 HSE for one whole week and I have 195 miles on as of today. I drove it off the lot with 13 miles.... it had 11 miles when I test drove it.

    So far, I absolutely think this vehicle is totally awesome. I've been using the Navigation system and it is much more "user friendly" than my 2002 Mercedes ML500 (technology changes so fast).

    The only "small" issue is that the area where you step into the vehicle (threshold) is painted and can scratch. I put a piece of clear packing tape across that area as the passenger side has a small scratch already. It would be nice if that area was chrome or plastic.

    Driving my LR3 and very happy! Mark
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • pbroverpbrover Member Posts: 43
    In the mountains and Cities (San Fran)I hope the LR3 navigation system does better than my Garmin Rino 120 & Pocket PC Pharos/GPS solution. I always loose the signal in those enviroments and since they do not have any kind of "dead reckoning" solution, it become pretty frustrating. Grommet, does the LR3 Navigation system have some type of "dead reckoning" solution when the unit temporarily lose sat. signal? :confuse:
  • pbroverpbrover Member Posts: 43
    Grommet,
    My friend has a 2001 Landcruiser and he can play DVD movies when his Landcruiser is parked? Can the LR3's system do that, if the LR3 is parked? :confuse:
  • pbroverpbrover Member Posts: 43
    Grommet,

    My current DiscoII has the Safety Devices roof rack and we utilize it all the time. I understand Safety Devices is in bankruptcy and will be coming out of bankruptcy soon. Any word on when they will produce a roof rack for the LR3? The one currently offered by LandRover does not have the rugged look of the Safety Devices or Hannibal roof rack. Just doesn't seem to flow with the lines of the LR3. :confuse:
  • grommetgrommet Member Posts: 445
    LR3 has no factory DVD "RSE" system; the DVD is a dealer installable "All-In-One" unit. If LR3 did have one like Range Rover Sport, they disabled that feature in North America. Yes, even while parked. No idea why. Dumb.

    You can with some effort/cost wire up a video source, though. But it's not "simple."
  • grommetgrommet Member Posts: 445
    There aren't a lot of choices so far if you aren't a fan of the Land Rover Expedition roof rack. Here is one alternative: http://www.roveraccessories.com/roofracks1.htm
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yes the LR3, and all other rovers, have a dead reckoning system that runs off the odometer. Whenever you get new tires you should go and recalibrate the nav system on the settings screen to make sure dead reckoning is working right. In fact you probably should recalibrate at say the 20k mile mark since the tires will be worn down some and it might throw the system off a little.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Member Posts: 134
    mark156:
    My ML has thresholds that can scratch too. I put on a piece of 3M clear bra material over them to protect them.
    JR
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Member Posts: 134
    Thanks grommet and lr3tjxj.
    The V8 is the one that takes 8 quarts right? Is it 8 even or 8.5? I thought I heard it was 8.5.
  • grendalflygrendalfly Member Posts: 21
    Mark156,LR does sell steel plates to place in the threashold to prevent this.

    Sill tread plates
    Part #EBN500041

    sill tread plates
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    Thanks grendalfly... :D I just might have to get the steel plates.

    I never noticed my ML500 needing threshold plates, I guess because it was desert silver (beige) and didn't show many scuffs.

    Mark
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • grommetgrommet Member Posts: 445
    I personally find the still protectors a little funny... almost $200 for something that just covers the paint you'll never ever see again... What am I really protecting? :-D
  • roverineroverine Member Posts: 12
    Yes, it has dead reckoning and the compass works even in my under ground garage at work. As I drive around the circular route to the lower levels, the arrow on the nav registers my direction-even after the vehicle has been parked all day on my way out. No way there is satellite reception down there.
  • guess402guess402 Member Posts: 11
    This site has the sill protectors for a little less than you can get them for at the dealer they couldnt be easier to put in and they do change the look of the car as i was noticing scratches on my black lr3 and think these look great/dont show scratches:

    http://landrover.autowebaccessories.com/store/lr3-sill-tread-plate-kit-prod499_7- 18_7879.php
  • grommetgrommet Member Posts: 445
    That store link was the one grendalfly already posted, guess402 :)
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    I just ordered a sun shade for the wind screen through "Auto Anything". It should fit the LR3 perfectly. Hopefully it will be here in a couple of days.

    With 225 miles on the odometer it's been smooth sailing! I'm just under a quarter of a tank and the computer says that I'm averaging 13.0 mpg.

    I was cleaning out some papers that I had for the Mercedes ML500 and found the window sticker. The ML was rated at 13 city and 17 Hwy with a 288 hp 5.0 engine. The LR3 has the 4.4 300 hp engine rated at 14 city 19 Hwy.

    I've notice that the LR3 will stay below 2,000 rpm's while going 65 mph when the Mercedes would be about 2,500 rpm's. I'm hoping I can get a little better than the 19 Hwy rating with the six speed transmission on the LR3 as I'm pretty easy on the pedal. :blush:

    Mark :)
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    High-Priced but Falling Apart? (The Driving Woman Blog)

    (This LR3 is in Edmunds.com's long term test fleet).

    Steve, Host
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    Steve, a glovebox latch makes them say the vehicle is "falling apart"... that's hilarious.. Those girls would probably be upset if the vanity mirror light went on the blink.

    It's a good read though... what crazy girls. :P

    Mark
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • guess402guess402 Member Posts: 11
    I drove about 120 miles from AL to TN today I had the car in 6th gear all the way and was doing an adv. of 69 miles an hour... I had a readout of 20.1 MPG when i got to my place and that was with a little bit of city driving on either side. Not bad for such a heavy car... I am almost at 10,000 miles and I still love this car i had about one week of problems around 8,000 miles but the dealer fixed it and the car has been great ever since. I own this LR3 an '03 ML500 an '06 ML350 and a '03 E500 the e class was by far one of the best riding cars I had ever been in until I got my LR3. This car really can do it all I had it in the mud on a farm in Alabama right after we got a bunch of rain and had no problems not to mention that this car is amazing on the road. Really this is THE best all around SUV on the market today... and I say that after trading in my Range Rover for the LR3 I couldn't be any happier with the car.
  • johnmajorjohnmajor Member Posts: 94
    For IPOD users who want to have a great installation in their LR3 you may want to check out the HK Drive & Play.

    Works great and just plug your IPOD into the brain, give it power from a cigarett lighter source and cable to the AUX and its amazingly neat & functional!

    http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/driveplay.ars/1
  • sf_driversf_driver Member Posts: 10
    Hi All!

    I just agreed to terms on my 1st Land Rover. It's an xmas gift for the wife. 2005 LR3.

    It does not have the built-in GPS and I would love advice from the group on what aftermarket solutions any of you are using? (or have used but stopped if you want to warn me of bad products).

    I'd really like a little device that sits in the "cubby" where the built in GPS would be, and have "installed" so that it gets power internally rather than needing a cigarette power adapter always visible.

    Thanks!
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    Hey Guess402... I've only had my 2006 LR3 HSE for 10 days and 250 miles; what a super vehicle!

    The four years that I owned my 2002 Mercedes ML500 I never actually checked the gas mileage manually and just relied on the computer. I found the computer to VERY optimistic by at least 2 to 3 miles a gallon.

    I'm going to take my LR3 back to my home in California early January (1,800 miles) and will do manual gas mileage checks in conjunction with the computer to see if it's very accurate.

    Just curious, why did you go to the ML350 in '06 rather than the ML500?

    Mark
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • i006129i006129 Member Posts: 71
    I'm about to plunk down my nickel to buy the V-6 but after reading through every post in this forum and finding no reviews on the V-6 performance, I'm interested to know if it performs okay. The little info I've gotten indicated good low end torque, sluggish from 50-70 mph and very avg gas mileage. Can those of you with a V-6 provide an update? Thanks.
  • sohna99sohna99 Member Posts: 50
    Anyone has installed the roof rack on their LR3? If so, please attch pictures or any feedback will be appreciated.
  • grommetgrommet Member Posts: 445
    sohna99, what "roof rack" are you talking about? There are pictures of the various LR3 accessories on the Land Rover web site, including the "accessories builder":

    http://www.landroverusa.com/us/en/Vehicles/LR3/Accessories/Accessories_Builder.h- - - tm
  • lr3tjxjlr3tjxj Member Posts: 5
    I have been pleasantly surprised at how my V6 SE has been performing thus far. When driving in town, it moves quite efficiently off the line. When driving on the highway, you will need to shift to sport or manual mode for some aggressive acceleration. If you choose to leave it in normal drive it will get the job done in a smooth progressive manner. When I am driving this machine off-road the flat torque curve is very inspiring indeed! Just today while running some errands, I needed to accelerate quickly around a sandy hard left hand corner in order to pass two vehicles on my left and powered my way though quite effectively, much to the surprise of the VW Touareg driver(Got some wheel spin as I had the wheel hard left!!). :shades:

    ALR
  • manoftastemanoftaste Member Posts: 51
    grommet, i actually am considering buying additional set of 18" wheels with my HSE and putting them on right away for good on my HSE. maybe i will keep the 19" or will ebay them right away. but the only concern i have is that will it make a difference at all with the suspension tunning, etc. in other words, is the air suspension and possibily other electronic or dynamic controls tuned specifically and differently for the HSE and the SE models due to the different amount of rubber in each trim's wheels (for handling or stability purposes). also, any ideas how much the set of 18" with tyres would cost.

    Also, and interesting observation, in the issue of motor trend magazine where they published the artlicle for the LR3 being the motor trend suv of the year, the pictures of LR3 in that article is an HSE with SE's 18" wheels...
  • manoftastemanoftaste Member Posts: 51
    just curious, does LR3 suspension lowers automatically for better dynamics at highway speeds...
  • grommetgrommet Member Posts: 445
    No, there is nothing different between HSE or SE "suspension tuning." It's all the same. No worries about the amount of rubber you have. If one stays close to the normal overall sizing, everything will be fine. If you are running 22" wheels, I wouldn't attempt driving off-road, though. :D

    Sorry, don't have the wheel/tire pricing at my fingertips. Cheapest would be used, of course. eBay?

    And regarding "automatic lowering" on the highway... no changes for normal driving speeds. On-Road Height does lower 3/4" after 100 MPH, though.
  • i006129i006129 Member Posts: 71
    Thanks lr3tjxj. Have you been tracking your mpg?
  • johnmajorjohnmajor Member Posts: 94
    The LRNA navigation is by DENSO and is pretty bad really. Typical Japanese programming that is not intuitive.
    Look at Alpine or Pioneer.
    They are leaps & bounds ahead of the Denso OEM system.

    I have an HSE and dumped mine for the Alpine utilizing the existing screen.

    I also believe the Lowrance Iway 500c unit fits the cubby hole and works great!

    LRNA needs to update their nav software!
  • lr3tjxjlr3tjxj Member Posts: 5
    Currently 12.2 MPG!!! :cry:

    My wife drives it during the week and likes to let it idle about town. The highest I have ever seen is 16.9 MPG AVG. Our driving habits are probably not typical because the vehicle usually idles for 20 minutes before it is used(Wife likes a cozy warm vehicle).

    ALR
  • sf_driversf_driver Member Posts: 10
    Thanks for the info. I see that Garmin is coming out with some 7" inch units next month. If they fit, that might be a nice solution.

    The Nav in our 2005 Acura TL is ok, but hated it in a friends 2004 GX470 I drove recently.
  • micke1micke1 Member Posts: 4
    Just brought in my 05 LRS SE for the sixth time with suspension fault. Finally the dealer is talking to LR and after 4 weeks of talk sounds as though they are going to put me in a new 06 via trade assist. Has anyone else gotten LR to buy back their LR3 for new? I am hoping the 06 doesn't have the bugs the 05 does. I am tired of driving a rental car, in the 13 months I have owned this vehicle it has now been in shop 9x (6x for suspension - 3x for other non related problems). I guess I am most upset that LR has taken so long to work with me - isn't that what you buy a "luxury" car for? The dealership guys are nice enough, but c'mon! I have driven crappy rental cars more than my vehicle this past year. I have never had these kinds of problems with other "lower end" vehicles. Just needed to vent, if anyone else has a positive story of getting rid of their 05 for an 06 and being trouble free it would make my day.
  • vt100vt100 Member Posts: 4
    Hi! I was just wondering if you or anyone else on the board knows what's the policy on modifying/installing your own navigation system in Leased LR3? From what I hear here their navigation is not great, and there are a lot of much better systems out there. But on the other hand I thought that stock nav unit also displays the suspension/4x4 info. Would that be affected by installing another brand? Also, does installing your own nav system voids any warranties? I'm looking to lease a 2k6 oe 2k5 LR3 SE and I'd rather spend my 1500-2000 on navigation system I know functions well as oppose to dealer installed one for 2000 they charge for this option. Feedback appreciated!
  • nktankta Member Posts: 8
    My wife likes to have th rearview camera on the truck, the whole 05/06 LR3 lineup does not come with one. Can one be installed after the fact, and any recommendation?
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    micke1, I've only had my 2006 LR3 HSE for 2 weeks tomorrow and almost 300 miles.... so far, so good! I read a lot of information about these vehicle before I decided to purchase and it seems that some of the bugs have been worked out since the 2005 models.

    I have to ask just in case it happens, if you have a suspension fault, what does the vehicle do? Can it still be driven? Does it lean to one side? :surprise:

    Mark :)
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • micke1micke1 Member Posts: 4
    Every time I have had the Suspension Fault light come on it has been when I have been in driving mode. What happens is the light comes on then the vehicle won't go up or down. It basically gets "stuck", it drives but at that point I only drive it as far as the dealership. I wouldn't want to find out what happens any farther than that. Lets hope my new 06 is problem free like yours!
  • johnmajorjohnmajor Member Posts: 94
    As someone mentioned there is a new Garmin 7" unit coming out. It's leaps & boundsa ahead of the OEM nav. Rerouting for traffic etc. At around $1350.00 online its a great system.

    Garmin always does a great job & I am sure the interface will be very much easier to manipulate than the Denso (pos).

    http://www.garmin.com/products/sp7500/

    The StreetPilot 7500's huge 7-inch touch-screen display means you'll always see where you're going — from anywhere in the vehicle. Designed for larger vehicles such as RVs, semi-trucks, and buses, our 7000-series are premium automotive units that come preloaded with City Navigator NT detailed maps and display navigation, entertainment, traffic and weather on a grand sunlight-readable display. All of this, combined with the StreetPilot 7500's dead reckoning capabilities, makes it one powerful urban navigator.

    Traffic

    With the purchase of an optional sensor, the StreetPilot 7500 and its counterpart, the StreetPilot 7200, notify you of accidents, road construction, and weather-related traffic delays before they are encountered, and then offer an alternate route. This optional traffic management capability makes driving with GPS essential, even if you know where you're going.

    Traffic is delivered to the 7000 series through the GTM 10, GTM 11 or GXM 30 antenna (purchased separately). Get traffic alerts broadcasted by Clear Channel in select U.S. cities with the GTM 10 or GTM 11 FM TMC traffic receiver. Traffic services accessed with the GXM 30 Smart Antenna require a subsription to XM NavTraffic.

    Weather

    View real-time weather conditions with the optional GXM™ 30 Smart Antenna and a XM NavTraffic subscription. Find out the local forecast for your route or campsite down the road. Available weather information includes current conditions, city forecasts, and warnings for tornados, thunderstorms, and floods.

    Entertainment

    The StreetPilot 7500 and 7200 also include a host of features to keep you entertained during your travels, including an internal MP3 player, XM radio, and audio books. The built-in MP3 player lets users browse music by artist, album, song, or genre. Music can be loaded onto an SD card and is “drag-and-drop” easy – no special software is required. The XM Radio (with the optional GXM 30 Smart Antenna and XM Satellite Radio subscription) features 150-plus channels of commercial-free music, sports, news, talk, and entertainment. The StreetPilot 7500 and 7200 are also compatible with www.audible.com, a subscription-based audio book service. All music or speech files can be emitted over the vehicle’s existing speakers, through the StreetPilot’s built-in FM wireless transmitter or via the unit’s headphone/line-out jack. The entertainment audio is muted when navigation instructions are given.

    Street Navigator

    The StreetPilot 7000 series contains all of the features you've come to know and love in a Garmin, including intuitive navigation with automatic route calculation; voice-prompted, turn-by-turn directions; 2D or 3D map view; and automatic rerouting if a motorist strays off course. The unit speaks street names, so users will know to “turn right on Main Street.” Enter a series of destinations, and the unit will automatically sort them to provide an efficient route. With its POI Loader software, Garmin has also made it possible for customers to augment pre-loaded maps with custom POIs such as school zones and safety cameras.

    Dead Reckoning

    Unlike the 7200, the 7500 also includes dead reckoning sensors to track your vehicle's course when your GPS signal is blocked for example in urban areas or tunnels. If you lose GPS coverage in areas with tall buildings or tunnels, the StreetPilot 7500 keeps on navigating. Minimal installation is required for the dead-reckoning feature.

    The face of the StreetPilot 7200 and 7500 only has one button — an on/off switch. The side and back of the unit houses integrated internal speaker, mini USB port, AV input, SD card slot and 3.5 mm audio jack. A wireless infrared alphanumeric remote control that allows easy operation of the device from a distance is standard equipment.

    Dont think you'll void any LRNA warranty as Garmin would cover theirs. Never ever used the 4x4 info on my HSE and I am approaching 22k.
  • grommetgrommet Member Posts: 445
    johmajor, you sure are down on Denso, eh? I don't find the LR3 Navigation system even close to "POS" status.
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    I have to agree with Grommet.

    I find the LR3's Nav to be quite good. The only experience I have had with Nav's are on the Mercedes as I just traded in my 2002 ML500. The ML was CD driven but worked really well. So, going to the LR3, it is much more enhanced and I like it just fine.

    My LR3 has 325 miles and I'm thrilled so far with the performance, fit and finish and the overall feel of the vehicle.

    Have any of you noticed that the computer will make a warning "ding" sound when the turning signal is on too long? Also, when the snow flake pops up next to the temp readout, it will also ding.

    Mark156 :D
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • johnmajorjohnmajor Member Posts: 94
    IMHO Its my personal experience.

    Have used several other in car navigation systems and they are much more user friendly!

    If I were to buy the same car I would not go OEM I'd go aftermarket!

    You dont see Denso making aviation or marine navigation systems! Garmin for one do!

    Although I cant mention the other LR3 forums on here, there are plenty of ticked off people bemoaning the LR nav and especially the lack of updates or improvement!

    Ever heard of LR advising or offering a Nav disk update? I for one have not, yet the aftermarket suppliers update regulary!

    Roads do get built, POI's are added, deleted or changed etc.
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    john, I really am not a big fan of aftermarket electronics because OEM have always seemed to work fine for me. I have friends who have Range Rovers, etc and I've never heard anyone complain about the NAV system at all.

    If you are a REAL electronics kind of guy, then a different unit might work better for you. Most of my friends are not "techy's" so OEM have always worked fine.

    Also, I don't plan on going under water or flying my LR3 so I'll stick with Denso. :P

    After four years of having my Mercedes ML500, I never updated the CD's. I was in Scottsdale, AZ and the new area that I was in was not on the map. That didn't happen very often but only on occasion.

    I would think the LR3's NAV will get me through the 3 years that I plan to own it without replacing the Disk.

    Mark :)
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
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