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Lets turn the clock back about three years. You just spent around 80 grand including tax for an Oxford edition Range Rover with all the bells and whistles of the time.
In less then 20,000 miles your Goodyear tires will be so cupped that truck will sound like a freight train.
No lets go back a little over 14 years now.
You just spent a little around 70 grand including tax for the Japanese Ferrari the Acura NSX.
Your rear tires will be completly shot in less then 5,000 miles and acura is very, very aware of it. I remember reading somewhere that they eventually settled a lawsuit for all owners who bought prior to 1994 or so.
This is the only decent link I could find on that.
http://www.chicagoclearing.com/casesdetail_new.asp?ID=8
The moral of the story is that how much you spend on a vehicle has nothing to do with any problems you may have.
In fact the more expensive a vehicle is the more likely something at the edge of the technology envelope will break.
Most BMWs with their high performance runflats will be lucky to get 30,000 miles on the tires. My MINI needed new tires all around at 28,000 miles and that was with rotating them every 5,000 to 7,500 miles.
I don't know what Land Rover is thinking with goodyears. Everytime they have used goodyears they have had problems with them. Mark III range Rovers tear the goodyear tires apart in 20,000 miles or less but you put a set of Michelien Synchrones on and you have no problems.
Discos cup goodyears up as well but not as quickly as the Range Rovers do. Maybe they were giving Goodyear one more shot with the LR3 or something but I bet you will find that Land Rover will switch over to Michelins for the LR3 in the near future.
the 05 lr3 hse.the dealer told me that it is a issue but will only change them till 12,000 miles then its 49.99 each.. how can land rover not be able to correct the edge of the wiper blade from coming apart from the body of the arm.... anyone else out there with the wiper problem.
I'm sure you will be happy in your new Acura as they are nice
soccer-Momvehicles. :P Going from a true off-road vehicle to a average off-road vehicle is an interesting move. :surprise:Mark
The bottom line is you have to like the vehicle. My LR3 is great so far and my '01 Discovery has it share of problems. But they are tops off road for a stock vehicle and i think they look so much better than alot of the other choices.
Anyway, I installed a Land Rover Raised Air Intake in May. That thing works great and looks great. Now, the truck is at the dealership and is receiving an expedition roof rack. Hope this looks good. Will let you all know.
Never had any problems with this truck, its amazing. It has a build date of 03/2005. I guess the quirks were worked out with the earlier builds.
Oliver
If I continue to have good luck with my 2006 LR3 HSE, I will buy another one. I just received a brochure on the new Land Rover LR2. It think Land Rover will have a winner on their hands!
Mark
I tore down the plastic cover this afternoon and found I had busted the aluminum casting bracket that holds the compressor. I also bent the compressor mounting brackets. I got the casting off and straightened the compressor mounts. Ordered a new bracket and cover from LR for $150. I should be back in business by next Tuesday.
Be warned - do not jacket the vehicle up using the compressor as a lift point and make an a-- out of yourself. Also be careful off road on that side of the vehicle, if you are traversing some odd shaped boulders.
Happy trails!
Due to the length of the camper (about 23 feet), it has been recommended by many people who are familiar with trailer towing that a weight distribution hitch (WDH) with a sway control system should be used to properly distribute the weight of the trailer and retard the sway of the trailer for safety reasons. While this is a very common installation on almost all other trucks and SUVs, I have never expected, however, that the LR3 manual has a statement in it calling out that "no weight distribution hitch should be used on this truck" without any explanation on why.
As a result, I have to reluctantly limit myself to a weight carrying (WC) type hitch that can only use a friction sway control system, which is well-known to be inferior in towing performance than the more effective WDH/anti-sway systems such as an "Equalizer " or a "Reese" Dual Cam WDH-anti sway systems. Unfortunately, as expected, the towing performance that I have been experiencing so far with my WC hitch and friction sway control set up is less than adequate. I have encountered quite a bit of swaying on the highway even at speeds as low as 50 mph when there were moderate cross-winds.
So here are my questions that I hope someone on this forum can help me understand: (1) What is the reason that a WDH system cannot be used on the LR3? (2) What are the consequence should such a hitch is used?
I have learned that some LR3 owners have gone ahead on their own to use a WDH. They have reported very satisfactory towing performance without the "white knuckle" type experience that I am having with my weight carrying hitch. I am facing the dilemma on either joining these people to install a WDH against the statement of the LR3 manual or continuing with the "white knuckle" towing and fearing losing control anytime. Any explanation or advice from you would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
I would like to test mine to see if it will do it. Do you think that it's OK to do that or is that just an emergency feature?
Thanks, Mark156
I can't wait for someone or some company to figure out how to overide the Suspension control module and allow extended mode to be user selectable.
Enjoy!
Let me ask the group a question. I heard that there is an aftermarket "box" that hacks the LR3's suspension so that you can drive the truck at whatever "lift" you choose. Anyone else hear about this?
TIA and look forward to lively discussions.
Rich
There are several situations where having driver access to extended mode would be very handy.
Cheers!
http://www.matzker.de/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=%22Discovery+3%22+AND+- %22Range+Rover+Sport%22&search_in_description=1&categories_id=30&inc_subcat=1&ma- nufacturers_id=&pfrom=&pto=&x=32&y=11
If that doesn't work, try http://www.matzker.de then look around. I just found it this morning. It only costs 1585 Euros which is almost $3K.
http://www.matzker.de/product_info.php?products_id=520
Run it through your favorite translator, if you don't read German.
In a related note, you also might want to get your air compressor "checked" if it hasn't been replaced or updated yet.
Now, has anyone tried one?
The trails, especially Black-Bear > Tomboy > Imogene were rougher than I remembered and I had some serious concerns about the tailpipes and mud-flaps being torn off - but, nothing happened. No rocks were touched and the wheels stayed perfect. The bloody Rover handled it all so totally uneventfully that it was almost embarassing. I did not use the HDC because low range, 1st. gear was so slow, the brakes were never needed. Ophir, and Yankee-Boy were just "drives in the country". I wonder just where in the hell would you need to go to really test this thing ? Maybe Holy Cross or Blanca Peak ? But then I'm not into "body damage likely" stuff.
My tires, at 17000 miles are getting cupped on the inside front edges causing more noise than I like, but they should go another 15000 before replacement.
I did see several LR3's in Telluride but they were all clean so none had seen any trails. I also saw several DI and DII's along with one Series vehicle, and they were all "trail machines" based on the dirt, dust, mud, and rock art. The number ONE trail vehicle though, now, seems to be the Jeep Rubicon. Next time I will rent one ($175/day) just to see how it works. Happy Rovering to you all!
I saw a certified pre-owned 2005 LR3 HSE with only about 11,000 miles and I'm curious about the vehicle. Any feedback you have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
way only gets me 22-23 mpg pretty consistently. I use 91 octane most of the time with an ocasional tank of 89 and see/hear/feel no difference. I use 5W-30 Castrol oil and run my tires at 33 F / 36 R psi, and I drive "nice" in auto mode 95% of the time.
Hope this helps. Good luck !
The last time I was in Ouray, the Jeep tour couldn't get to the top of Engineer Pass because there was too much snow. That had to be June.
In the Volvo, if the sun is hitting the center dash, it is very hard to read the instruments. Also, I didn't like the flip-up nav system. The controls for the nav are on the back-side of the steering wheel. I just didn't prefer that over the Land Rover.
As far as gas mileage, I think the Volvo and Land Rover are neck and neck.
My experience has been that I'm getting about 13.5-14.5 with mixed city and highway driving with the V-8. It seems to me that Koeslers gas mileage figures seem very optimistic for such a large vehicle.
Is your Excursion a V-10? In physical size comparison with the LR3, the Excursion is like parking a motor home. I would highly recommend the bumper sensors for the LR3 as they work perfectly when parking.
Mark156
If that is all highway you will probably do better then 20 mpg with a LR3.
As far as anything mechanical... no problems. I have 5,300 in the odometer now. I will put about 8,000 a year on this vehicle.
I had the wood grain dash installed and it is gorgeous. My LR3 came with a tan pinstripe that I didn't even notice when I bought it. When I went to pick it up, I was shocked to see it on there. I like it now but it was never listed on my MSRP sticker or on any other sticker. I probably wouldn't have paid extra for it but since it's there, I like it.
LR3's gas mileage is very close to what the sticker says. As I recall, it was 14 city 19 hwy. That has been my experience. :shades:
Mark
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Ford to Review
Its Ailing Brands,
Explore Alliances
CEO, Under Board Pressure,
Hires New Strategy Adviser;
An Urgent Review of Jaguar
By JEFFREY MCCRACKEN
August 2, 2006; Page A1
Ford Motor Co. is launching a strategic review of ailing operations such as the Jaguar brand that could lead to the sale of assets or broader alliances with other companies, according to people familiar with the situation.
Spearheading the effort for the nation's No. 2 auto maker will be a newly hired strategic adviser, Kenneth Leet, a former investment banker who led mergers and acquisitions teams at Goldman Sachs and Bank of America. Mr. Leet is reporting to Ford Chairman and Chief Executive Bill Ford, who is under board pressure to take more dramatic steps in his restructuring efforts amid the company's widening losses, according to people close to the situation.
Mr. Leet, whose hiring is expected to be announced today, will lead a small team that has begun an assessment and valuation of Ford's assets and brands, these people said. Among other things, Mr. Leet's team will consider whether Ford should sell some underperforming brands or pursue alliances with other global auto makers, as well as what it should do with its Ford Credit financing arm, whose borrowing costs have soared as the company's credit rating fell below "junk" status. Ford previously has said it would not consider selling a stake in Ford Credit.
Mr. Leet's first job is a review of Jaguar, a source of red ink at Ford since it was acquired in 1989 for $2.6 billion. The auto maker in July had to lower its financial goal for 2006 from a small profit to break-even for its luxury division, the Premier Automotive Group, in part because of continued falling sales and losses at Jaguar. The division, which also includes Volvo, Aston Martin and Land Rover, lost $162 million before taxes in the second quarter, compared with a pre-tax profit of $17 million a year earlier.
A Ford spokesman said yesterday evening that the company had "nothing to announce at this time."
Overall, Ford lost $123 million in the second quarter, a figure that surprised Wall Street and prompted the company to say it would accelerate its restructuring plan. Mr. Ford and his executive team have conceded their current plan did not foresee that the sales of pick-up trucks would fall as fast as they have in the face of rising gasoline prices and shifting consumer demand. Mr. Ford has said a revamped overhaul plan will be drawn up within 60 days.
Like its crosstown rival General Motors Corp., Ford has suffered from high costs, particularly for health care, and poor recent sales for many of its vehicles in the U.S., aggravated by a weakening economy and high gas prices. Meanwhile, its credit business is making far less money than it used to due to higher borrowing costs stemming from Ford's declining credit rating.
Yesterday, Ford suffered another blow as Toyota Motor Corp. edged ahead of it to grab the No. 2 place in U.S. sales for July -- the first time Toyota has outsold Ford in the U.S. over the course of a month.
In 4 p.m. trading on the New York Stock Exchange, shares of Ford were down 9 cents at $6.58 -- not much above the 52-week low of $6.06. A year ago, Ford shares were trading in the range of $11. The falling share price has cut the auto maker's market capitalization to $12.4 billion. Mr. Ford's family controls 40% of Ford's voting stock.
The hiring of Mr. Leet was initiated by Mr. Ford and backed by Ford's board of directors, said one person close to the matter. Outside advice and financial analysis could help step up consideration of potential alliances with other auto makers or the sale of assets, this person said.
The decision to bring in an outsider was "accelerated" by the recent start of discussions on a global auto alliance between GM and Nissan Motor Co. and Renault SA, this person said. Mr. Leet's hiring "was strongly endorsed by the board," he said, adding that Mr. Leet's office will be up the hall from Mr. Ford's and that he will make reports to the board with Mr. Ford.
"The goal was to add an outsider who has merger and acquisition experience, which he has," this person said. "He will look at everything to see what is bringing in cash and what is not."
It is not clear how long Mr. Leet will stay at Ford. Though the job starts out a short-term assignment, it could become a longer-term position, according to people familiar with the matter.
Mr. Leet was recruited to Ford by two former Goldman Sachs executives who sit on Ford's board, Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert L. Rubin and John E. Thornton. He spent 18 years at Goldman in London and New York, where he specialized in steel and most recently was responsible for the firm's investment-banking activities with industrial companies. He was a longstanding member of Goldman's M&A division as well as working in the firm's buyout and leveraged-finance businesses.
Both Mr. Rubin and Mr. Thornton previously worked at Goldman, which has ties to Ford dating back to founder Henry Ford. Before he joined the Clinton administration and later became chairman of the executive committee at Citigroup Inc., Mr. Rubin was co-chairman at Goldman. Mr. Thornton, who now teaches at Tsinghua University in China, retired as president of Goldman in 2003.
In July 2003, Mr. Leet was tapped to be the next undersecretary of domestic finance at the Treasury Department. But that October, before his nomination was voted on, he withdrew his name from consideration, citing unspecified health reasons. He joined Bank of America in early 2005, and left last May.
The appointment of Mr. Leet comes as Ford faces difficult decisions about whether to continue pumping money into Jaguar. The storied franchise has become a big thorn in Ford's side.
Beset by design problems, among other issues, Jaguar has missed a boom in sales of luxury cars world-wide, its sales plummeting in recent years through repeated restructurings of the unit. Sales are down 30% this year after falling 34% in 2005; the brand is on pace to sell 24,000 vehicles in the U.S. in 2006, down from 45,000 in 2004.
Jaguar sales also are down globally. In the first half of this year, Jaguar sold about 41,000 vehicles globally; in all of 2004, it sold 118,000.
Jaguar disclosed in December that Ford had injected $2.09 billion to cover heavy losses and investment write-downs, and in the past two years Jaguar has taken some painful steps to stem its losses. They included shutting down auto production at a historic plant in Coventry, England, and unceremoniously p
Uneven Tyre Wear TSB
New TSB issued yesterday - LA204-008 Discovery 3/LR3 - Uneven Tire Wear (unfortunately LRs US masters seems to have influenced the spelling of tyre) Vin range: 5A300259-6A403382
Summary:
A customer may report a concern of uneven tire wear.
Cause: Certain vehicles may experience a degree of 'bush settle' after the initial geometry setting following production (this has now been compensated for using calculated geometry settings introduced from the VIN above). This 'bush settle' may change the geometry settings to outside of normal tolerance and may increase tire wear. This issue is not experienced on all vehicles and the toe sensitivity may be attributed to other factors.
Action: Should it become necessary to adjust vehicle geometry due to specific complaints of tire wear, it should be set to the dimensions detailed in this bulletin. For all other cases requiring geometry setting, the dimensions in the workshop manual should be used.
Or, as just now, you'll see a reference in a forum. Do note not all TSBs are common between overseas and North America... often, the NA ones are late or "different."
At 5,300 miles, my tires look perfect but I would want to catch this early if they start wearing.
Mark
I know that people think I'm fibbing about my mileage - but I have witnesses. I also calculate using a hand-held unit (calculator) as the car's computer is about + 1 mpg too optimistic.
I always do the same when it's dusty. Do remember though, that it doesn't pressurize the cabin, it just doesn't suck in the dust from outside.
LRNA "goodwilled" a re-alignment, and replaced 1 of the rear tires. I used the full size spare for the other side.
I had to open a case with LRNA to initiate the process. Now with an official TSB, it should be much easier.
I'm looking at a new LR3 and I want to put the bike hitch on the back and the metal brush bar with winch on the front.
I haven't been able to see from any pictures if it will interfere with the Park distance control...?
Anybody have either of these ?
Thanks!
/D
Service just disables the front PDC when they install the winch.
As for rear PDC you would need to mute the PDC from the cabin when it is installed as otherwise it will beep constantly.