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Ok, a break on this problem. Nothing is wrong with the speakers. The sound is heard even when the audio is not operating, when the car thuds over potholes. Its something like vibration of a metal sheet. And I opened up the trunk to look under the rear dash (is this the right term for the platform behind rear seats where the subwoofer is attached?) and narrowed it to something internal in the rear dash. Couldn't pinpoint the source. But again this is intermittent only, doesn't occur everytime I go over potholes or everytime my audio is loud. So I am reluctant to take it to the dealer lest it might disappear then.
I had a 94 Jeep Cherokee that stalled like that. It was a $75 part called the crank shaft sensor. I replaced and had no more problems. Good Luck and keep telling yourself "it's a Honda so it must be good" LOL!
Used to be called the "package shelf". Make certain your fold-down rear seatbacks are both properly locked in place - that could be the source of the rattling. Give 'em each a firm tug forward without pressing the release. If either or both fold down, it/they were delivered unlocked by the dealer. To lock, just give it/them a good slam back to the upright position. (and re-test to verify proper locking) Another possibility is that a speaker fastener wasn't properly installed during assembly. Crawl into the open trunk and shine a light to verfiy the presence of all four fasteners that hold each speaker in place. If any are loose or missing, let the dealer take care of it as a warranty claim.
Maybe your Hyundai didn't have a problem, but mine sure did. Can't believe you'd rather have a Hyundai or Kia over an Acura. My 2002 Sonata was a rattle trap, needed brake rotors every 12000 miles, the transmission slipped when it was cold, the horn got stuck after about 35000 miles, the trunk would take 2 slams to latch at times, and the steering wheel vibrated at high speeds.
I sold the car recently and bought an Accord. You can have your Hyundais.
Thanks for the excellent reply explaining the oil pressure. I thought 100lbs was a high "normal" pressure.
Some minor criticisms: Taking off in 1st gear is easy to stall it. I'm hoping that the transmission will learn me and I will learn it, but I've been driving manuals for 20 years. Gas mileage is disappointing, I thought I would get upwards of 30 MPG and have not even gotten to that point yet. I'm expecting that to improve as it wears in. The handling is that of a big car, not very nimble. On the other hand, cruising down the hwy at 70 is a breeze. Just a trade off I guess.
For those of you considering a practical car for your family, you cannot find a better value. I paid 16k out the door and have a top quality car. It's not that sexy, but either am I! :shades:
If you drive in 1st-2nd gear a lot or in stop and go traffic, you are not going to see 30 mpg+... Maybe 20-24 mpg.
30+ mpg is for freeway driving at steady speed (60-70mph) in highest gear and no stops!
model - "GLs". Get it now? The letter "s" was intentionally left uncapitalized.
THANK YOU!
That is a GL NOT a GLS
that is exactly what i said!!!
"GLs" meaning many many, as in plural,not "GLS"
GET IT?!?!?
such as some thing with suspension, seats, plastc interior upgrades and any mechanical issues.My neighbour got one and his city milage is 19 and Hwy is 26 at best.It dropped down a little in this cold weather.
Now he is waiting for another car that is for his daughter, Kia optima 2007, with a smaller engine 197 HP and about 10% less weight may get a little better mileage.
I am alsdo waiting for one.
Most people will get their best milage, after the car is fully broken in at temperatures above 70...until it gets hot enough that they have the A/C cranking all the time.
My experience says A/C doesn't affect MPG as much as below freezing temps.
in northwest Pa. has been around 29 in the last week
or more. I have noticed a significant drop in mpg,
at least 2 mpg, even though I've been driving mostly
highway miles.
A drop in mpg would be the least of my concerns.
Under $18,000: Volkswagen New Beetle
$18,000 to $23,000: Hyundai Sonata GL
$23,000 to $30,000: MINI Cooper S Convertible
$30,000 to $45,000: Acura TL
Over $45,000: Lexus LS 430
Sports Car: Chevrolet Corvette
Station Wagon: Volvo V70 R
Minivan: Honda Odyssey
Truck-Based SUV: Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland
Crossover SUV: Honda CR-V
Source: Kiplinger's Personal Finance
In that Kiplinger's list, is it only price which determines class? I wonder what criteria were considered?
I wish more lists could be posted here. Anyone find any other published lists to share?
(or should this be another topic altogether?)
Oh, if you wondered too, check it out here: http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4018597&src=msn
The Chrysler had a trip computer. It lost about 10 to 15% in highway MPG depending on how cold it was-outside temperature wise.
The Sonatas I drove felt like nice economy cars but not luxurious like certain Lexus, Lincoln and Jaguar models I've experienced.
Why are you even mentioning those cars in the same breath as a Sonata? I owned a Lincoln LS, $40,000, a Jaguar XType, $41,000, and the Lexus ES330 is in the same class as far as price goes.(certainly not in handling). The Sonata is not promoted as any kind of luxury car at half the price. The Azera won't be in that class either. IMO, the Sonata (at least my LX model) compares very favorably with Camrys and Accords and that is the target market.
Anyway, I am not expecting Sonatas to ride anything like the luxury cars I mentioned. And I said they don't. They ride like nice economy cars. I mentioned the Sonata in the same breath as the luxury cars to show the contrast, not the similarity; and because the previous poster had driven a Sonata and was wondering how the Azera could be worth so much more than the Sonata.
What I do think is that the Azera had better darn well ride a lot more like the luxury cars than the Sonata, or else Hyundai will have a hard time getting a lot more $$ for an Azera over what it gets for a Sonata.
Even after the engine reaches the operating temp in cold weather there will be some drop in gas milage.
The air pressure in the tires also drops in the cold weather.
Gor my Honda CRV in near zero tempratures the gas conuption drops from 24 MPG to 18 in HWY driving.
As per epa the diff in gas mileage between HWY mileage for sonata vr is 30 for Azera is 29.
A mile difference in city MPG also.
22% better gas mileage with a temperature increase of about 22 degrees?
That is a huge difference given both trips were with a warmed up motor. I would not have guessed such a big change in MPG.
On another note, weather here in Chicago has been around 0-7 degrees the last few weeks and I have noticed a significant reduction in my fuel efficiency. Without doing any simple math I am used to getting about 330 miles per tank of gas (all city driving). With the weather being cold I am now refueling at around 250-260 miles. I have a 4-cylinder GLS auto tranny with 5,000 miles.
and had a coupon for 9.99 for my first change. The
service manager checked me out, and said I saved
30.00. I said that's strange since a sign on the wall
said oil changes were 25.95. He said because the oil filters cost more, and the V6 took more oil, and
it needed 5W-20, it was more expensive. So, the price
of an oil change is 39.99.
Anyone else get this crap from their dealer?
Also, I noticed what a big difference there was in the
dealer service area from the Honda dealer.
The Honda dealer has a separate waiting area, free coffee,
cookies, two large screen TV's, and Internet access.
The Hyundai dealer had 4 chairs in the showroom, and a TV
that didn't work, period.
Hyundai will never catch-up with HONDA/Toyota... because of the CRAPPY DEALERS they have, no matter how cheap they will sell the cars!
Hyundai WOULD BE WISE to have company owned dealerships, and set standardized reasonable pricing in service and repair.
Most of the jump in sales last month is due to FLEET SALES: Rental Co buy cheap cars (Sonatas), to rent at comparable prices to Toyotas /Hondas and make good profit!
Most of the present Hyundai Dealers/Dealerships would be rejected by Honda/Toyota/Nissan...
The four Hyundai Dealerships that I have been to all are very nice and three of them actually combined with different makes (one also sells Buick and Saab, one Pontiac [I actually worked there in high school], and one VW). FWIW the owner of the Hyundai/Buick/Saab place also owns a Nissan franchise and the Pontiac/Hyundai also owns (or used to own) a Toyota franchise.
Hyundai WOULD BE WISE to have company owned dealerships,
If I am wrong in what I am about to say someone please correct me but I think that that would violate anti trust laws. Much the same way a movie studio cannot own movie theaters.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
That is the main reason I decided to trade my 2001 Sonata, rather than service it for 60k - plus I would need to buy new tires soon and do the Brakes and other things a 60k car will need!
I don't know what dealer you went to, but I I haven't seen anything you mentioned at the dealerships I visited! They all have chairs in the showroom with a Tv and some coffee (I never tasted it!).
OK-nice waiting room. How about the quality and price of the maintenance? Someone once told me there are not any free lunches.....(or donuts, hotdogs, slushies, etc!