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Around 5 years for the Camry and Civic according to recent studies (for the average 12-15K per year driver). Hardly a long time.
Plus the tax savings will start disappearing very shortly.
Wrong. The federal portion for toyotas only will be cut in half after Sept 30, but state will not be affected. Honda and the other carmakers have yet to hit that threshold and won't until well into next year....
And once again.....THE GREAT MAJORITY OF HYBRID PURCHASERS ARE NOT DOING IT FOR MONEY SAVINGS. People really need to get this out of their heads. If someone only wanted to save money, they would hold onto their cars for 15-20 years at a time. Not the 3-4 years we currently are averaging.
Could that be a subjective opinion or is there objective results to prove it.
If not for money then what....love for Al Gore?
Go to sites like greenhybrid.com and see for yourself. I've been researching hybrids casually now for the last 9 mths or so, and most posters say the same thing. They are either doing it for (1) the technology, (2) the statement one can make, (3) the environment and (4) for having to purchase less fuel from our enemies (not for saving themselves money, but for giving less of it to "them").
Sure some want to save money on fuel, but this is either a lesser concern or it is the primary motivator for a small percentage, based off my research.
Well I did say starts to disappear not disappears.
but state will not be affected.
Not all states handle hybrids the same tax wise.
And once again.....THE GREAT MAJORITY OF HYBRID PURCHASERS ARE NOT DOING IT FOR MONEY SAVINGS.
Well I am mostly addressing the remarks about savings not taking in tax breaks.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Yeah but it used to be whenever someone was praising their hybrid purchase there was always the "Look at the money I am saving on gas" statement placed somewhere in there. Of course it has stopped after it was shown that there really isn't a savings. But it was funny where people would say "I didn't buy it to save money" after they were shouting "I am saving so much money".
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
The main problem with 1700 miles is that you have 1700 miles of wear and mileage depreciation already on the car, but you shouldn't have any less standard new car factory warranty coverage than if the car had a normal amount of miles like 10 or 20 miles.
Often extended warrantys don't work that way, so that might terminate coverage right at 100,000 miles.
That is really extremely high mileage for a car they're selling as a new car.
Second, they should have told you (or you should have asked) how the car got those miles.
Third, you should demand that they start the warranty at 1700 miles and do something to make up for selling you a used car as new--e.g. a discount, service package, or something else you can both agree on.
Those crazy individuals who are hooked on perpetual car payments, that's who. Yeah, you know who you are!
The're screwing you. You signed for a "new" car...not a used one. 1500 miles is a used one.
At least, talk to a lawyer.
And If you didn't give them any money up front...let them sue you to take the car.
Had a friend who put down $500 for a leased Nissan. Then got a better deal from another dealer...when he asked for his $500 back from dealer #1 they refused. He wrote to the Nissan Company and they told dealer #1 to refund his $500 which they did.
The dealership did tell me the car was used as a test car/demo so it had a reduced price to start with. Their dealership doesn't allow the sales managers to keep a car for 5000 miles for their personal use, like other car dealerships do, so I did worry initially about the break in. However, we usually buy used cars and for the price I paid, so it was cheaper to buy the new car with high miles with a full warranty then getting a used car without a full warranty. The dealership also used this car as an errand car and to drive drivers to another location to pick up cars from other dealerships. They had one other demo available as of yesterday- it was a light silver v6.
Unless Hyundai's changed suppliers for the '07 models, Clarion.
Maybe, maybe not. If the car had been used as a demo or executive car, but not registered, as far as most (all?) states are concerned, technically it's still a "new" car. (Anyone willing to bet that in either case the car had not had the livin' snot run out of it regularly during break-in? It's bad enough to nurse a new car through early teething problems, but to voluntarily take on the potential risks of early abuse-related wear during the entire break-in period borders on idiocy in my estimation.) If I were in morty66's shoes, I'd refuse delivery and demand my entire deposit back if any had been paid. There are just too many unsold Sonatas on dealership lots to willingly accept a car with that many miles on it. morty66, what you were told verbally means absolutely squat. Unless your copies of all signed paperwork specifically exclude your right to cancel prior to physically taking delivery of the car, you got a case, Bud. (I know - it's inconceivable to entertain the notion that a car dealership sales manager would lie to a customer. Whatever in the world could I be smoking?! )
If it were me, I would demand some consideration for the fact the car has 1700 miles on it--if I really had to have that car.
I think you should CALL THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU, or call your state representative, or your state attorney, or do some Google on this issue.
The bottom line, I CAN'T believe someone would sell you a brand new car, for the price of a brand new car -- with 1,700 miles on it. It does NOT look like a fair deal.
Might be but it is an extra 1700 miles in depreciation.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
1698 miles.
You ought to take a look at the entire group of Sonata discussions. You'll find lots of helpful conversations going on. You can use the Track This Group link to keep up with all of it. :-)
"Legally"??? You sure don't sound like a lawyer, or someone who knows anything about the law...
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
--- But then according to you, it really doesn't matter really, since both cars would be "legally" regarded as used cars, no?
Of course, this is silly... We all agree that a car that has 1,700 miles on it, no matter how "new" the dealer claims it to be, it's NOT a new car.... A car with 10 miles on it, or 30 or 50, yes. But when the break in period (which can be detrimental to the life of the car's engine) is 1,200 miles --- than 1,700 is to me a big NO.... Unless the price is significantly adjusted, of course.
Thanks!
Since it could impact the detonation of the driver's front airbag, that explains the airbag warning light.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
$25K is not low end, but you must have bought the economy model. Not sure you really have the operation of the window wiper motor quite right yet?. In the first and only variable setting (intermittent), this low end Car senses speed and wipes accordingly. Wouldn't you want to be wiped the same way?.