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Justifying the V6 power as a safety requirement is a stretch.
I haven't posted on Edmunds for a long time but we just bought a 2007 Camry SE V6 and the number one reason for buying it was the VSC. We also own an Infiniti G35(2003 very early production version) and when we drove the new SE, I couldn't beleive that it was a Camry! My wife thought it drove similar, but not as sports like, to our G35. I believe that Toyota should have included a "disable" switch for the VSC similar to our G35, but, I am not buying it to race it.
We have to wait about 4 weeks for the right colour(Canadian spelling) but am looking forward to the car.
PS, when I do use the disable feature on the G35, it does NOT fully disable everything. To do that, you have to pull the fuse for the ABS.
Have a great day;
WInterPeg
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Mackabee
Mr gt... has an opinion which seems to be at odds with the rest of buying/reporting public even tho he states now that he's owned two Camry's in 3 yrs :surprise: neither of which have made him happy.
OTOH his complaint about shifting, gear hunting, hesitation is not clear in his own mind.
I have also not heard of any tranny complaints with either the 4 or the V-6 model.
As far as the mags, everyone I've seen has been raving about the new Toyotas and Lexuses.
Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of people are ordering/buying the loaded SE V6, at least on these threads.
Any comments from a CE 5M owner? An LE V6 owner? Just curious, would like to get the gamut of opinions.
And... someone said the 4 is 150 horses... lets not knock the engine down any further in the hp ratings... its 158, sheesh!!
~alpha
Would like to see some comments from other LE V6 owners?
~alpha
fyi- driven normally your SE should see every bit of 25 mpg overall if it sees any highway miles at all and every bit of 400 miles on a tank. In your case, you are evidently paying for your pleasures (and your engine mods.). You won't be happy with the power drop off on regular, but no mpg change premium or regular until you stop racing and/or remove whatever modifications you made to a perfectly good engine!
I do think that the V6 will not average 25 mpg without either 50% highway driving or a lot of city driving w/o stop lights/stop signs.
All in all, remarkable for a car of this size and this power and I would betcha not more that 2 or 3 mpg off what a 4 cylinder auto trans. Camry would do in the same conditions.
Even only 3 MPG is around a 10% difference on the highway and a greater percentage in city that adds up over time and mileage accumulated over your ownership period.
Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of people are ordering/buying the loaded SE V6, at least on these threads.
I'm considering it, but I can't even find one to test drive. They seem to be a bit sparse in some areas
I know how you feel. I don't know where you are, but I'm in southern NJ, and I haven't seen one yet.
Premium fuel, I guess.
As one poster has noted, and has been widely discussed recently the EPA tests are a joke - not even done on the road and under conditions than can't exist. The highway ratings are done on a dynamometer at a constant 48 mph and the city test is not an accurate reflection of the stop and go gridlock that many of us encounter in the larger cities.! So what all the mfgrs. have been doing for years is designing cars to do well specifically under the EPA test conditions and, as a result, NO car or truck can actually achieve its ratings depending, of course, on how realistically that car is actually driven. New standards and testing procedures are supposedly on the way.
There have been a number of articles about this, comparing current EPA ratings with actuals based on some new testing procedures - those results somewhat interesting. Turns out the many of the hybrids along with things like overengined cars like the 300C have the hardest time getting mileages close to ratings and simple, relatively underpowered cars like the VW diesel can almost meet projections.
Bottom line - don't expect any current car to do what it says on the sticker especially on the city side - at best, the EPA ratings should only be considered in relative terms. Toyota, incidentally, has historically done a great job aceing those EPA tests for whatever that is really worth.
When contacted by Cars Direct I requested a 2007 LE silver in color with body side moldings and alloy wheels. I didn't want a sunroof!. Cars Direct quickly responed and found a 2007 SE with sunroof - not ever close to what I wanted. Consequently, I "ordered" a silver 2007 LE with body side molding, alloy wheels, alarm abd spoiler for $21,072($500 over invoice?) + tax & registration from a local dealer using their Internet representative. Dealer said it would take 4-6 weeks - hopefully they will deliver otherwise I'll be buying the Accord Coupe.
Remember, airbags - we now all have about 8 million of them spread all over our cars. When they first appeared, they were killing/injuring children, there continues to be a flock of lawsuits, and we all have nasty looking warning labels all over the place, seat sensors etc. etc. as the mfgrs. endeavor to 'protect' themselves from the TV lawyers. And airbags would be a passive safety feature that I sure has saved many more lives than it has cost or injuries they have caused.
So, now we have things like VSC, an active safety feature that can prevent the driver from doing the wrong thing, as you suggest, but can also limit your ability to do the right thing, depending on how 'invasive' or below the actual car's capabilites the system is actually set. I predict a whole flock of new lawsuits as VSC becomes more popular, the probably wrongful contention - 'I could have avoided that accident 'if the car had let me'. Or in the case of TRAC, I could've gotten out of that snowplow's way 'but the car wouldn't move'.
i actually paid about $1000 over the invoice listed on Edmunds. i assumed about $600 in regional advertising.. thus ultimately about $400 over dealer invoice.
as for the car, i actually haven't had much chance to drive it yet. i just washed it this morning though, and it looks great!
let me know how you like your new SE when you purchase it.
Again, airbags are fine, but they're no substitue for proper use of the belts, the car's inherent structural and safety cage design, and good defensive driving habits. Frankly, I would rather be in a well-designed and strong vehicle without airbags, than one of lesser structural design strength with airbags. Airbags alone do not make a safe vehicle. Thankfully, Toyota's attention to all areas of safety are welcome.
Are these cars normally in stock or do I have to wait for a special order.
What kind of pricing can I get a cash deal. She is not trading the Honda.
I don't mind traveling to buy the vehicle if I can find a invoice or below deal.
Thanks.
Actually you cant say for sure what WOULDNT HAVE happened....
~alpha
Look at the Toyota website.
I used to live in Pennsauken. I was at C.H. Toyota 1.5 weeks ago - the didn't have an SE anywhere. What was the other color the had? Are they 'stripped' models or are they 'loaded'? Did you deal with the internet sales department?
Thanks again John I appreciate the tip.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/04/19/good_fuel_misers/index.html
Best Family car with best mileage? you know it...
'07 Toyota Camry
When we went to the Toyota dealer, we were looking at the few that they had on the lot and one of them had rust inside the door jams. At the beginning, we thought that it was rail dust, but it wasn't rail dust. It was surface rust that was embedded deep into the sheet metal of the inside door jam. Upon further inspection, we realized that the paint had chipped off and that there was bubbling on the metal. There was a 2" to 3" inch spot of surface rust inside the door jam. We made the dealer aware of this and he took the car to the body shop where it will be fixed.
I am not sure what caused the rust to appear on a brand new car like this. I am wondering whether or not the sheet metal was prepped correctly at the factory before the car was painted? I cannot think of any other reason why rust would appear like this on a Toyota Camry that's built in Kentucky.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=6&article_id=3369
Hope this helps
Actually you cant say for sure what WOULDNT HAVE happened...."
I was hit by an oncoming driver at about 25 mph combined vehicle speed nearly four years ago. I was braking hard at the moment of impact, so the oncoming car, not braking at all, rode up and over my car's front bumper; plastic grills and aluminum radiators offer very little in the way of collision protection when confronted with the battering ram effect of a mammoth, steel-backed bumper driven by 3000+ lbs of mass at an estimated 20 mph. My '96 Accord's airbags deployed. My glasses were knocked to the floorboard, but not damaged, and I sustained a diagonal bruise across my torso from the shoulder harness. No flash burns - nor am I convinced such is even possible with the chemical accelerants used to deploy the fabric reinforced airbags. (I suspect in the account above the "flash burn" the original poster complained about was more likely friction chaffing caused by the rapidly expanding airbag against the female occupant's bare skin. I also question whether she was buckled into her shoulder harness.) My Accord didn't fare quite so well. The impact of the larger car buckled my Honda's front subframe which drove the engine-transmission assembly back into the firewall, in turn buckling the dash and console. Dazed and a bit wobbly, I still extracated myself from the car unassisted - bruised, as noted, but otherwise unscathed. What would've been the result without the airbags? Dunno, but I'm sure glad I didn't have to find out.
The injuries to the skin of her arms and face were not abrasions or chaffing from the bag, but actual flash burns caused by the air bag's explosive deployment. This was confirmed by the ER staff at the hospital, and I have written proof of their findings.
I'm a believer in air bags, but for those who've experienced a deployment, it sometimes can be unpleasant. One caveat on the driver's steering wheel airbag: driver's have had fingers severed from an airbag deployment. This is not from the airbag itself, of course, but from the hard plastic covering of the steering wheel cover underneath the padded section. The explosive force of the deployment tends to fragment the plastic and if your fingers just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time . . .
I was involved in a low speed (30MPH) head-on accident in 1972 while driving a Volvo 144S 4-door sedan. Volvo was a pioneer in 3-point harnesses, and I was wearing it at the time. BTW . . . I've worn a 3-point harness every time I've driven (without exception!) since 1968. In the 1972 accident, I was uninjured, except for belt bruising, opened the driver's door, and climbed out, happy that I was driving the car I was. Unfortunately, the unbelted driver of the other vehicle wasn't so lucky.
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Mackabee