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Petroleum or Synthetic oil for my pickup truck?
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Harry
- Tim
You could change it every week....and no harm would be done...
The newer the better right?
I wouldn't change it at 1500 for that situation....buy hey...it ain't my truck.
- Tim
topic of Synthetic or Dino juice for pick-um ups.....
Harry
Harry
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Tim is right. I do change it too often, but the oil and filter cost less than a tank of gas, and I do it myself. I won't go broke buying oil.
Harry
LOL
hell...I fond myself jumping in the Ado just to go to the end of the block for Dairy Queen man!
haha
...never found no girls there like Ryan though...
..and at least someone thinks I am right for once!
BWHAAHHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAA
..and yeah....if I changed at 1500 miles....heck no would I use Mobil 1....but when I let it slide sometimes to 8K or so.....you betcha I will be using it...
...as for "contamination" in short runs....?>...well...that's a whole 'nother talk around the camp fire with many beers my friends.....
- Tim
3 speed bicycle, have neighbor drop you off on way to his 80 mi commute. This will prevent severe sludge buildup on your terruk
I have no idea..just asking..
I do ride a bycycle, but not at rush hour on the road to town from where I live. Gas and oil together are cheaper than the ER.
I might use synthetic too, if I lived as far north as Erik.
Harry
Oil,and oil filters.
I use amsoil 0w30 & amsoil sdf-11 oil filter,at 1,800 miles.And had tranny serviced with amsoil ATF,16 quarts pumped in with a tranny pump station at 4,000 miles.It runs sweet!
This is predicated on:
1. change the timing belt every 60,000 miles, without fail. This is crucial. Change water pump with belt.
2. use a $5 Honda oil filter or equivalent.
3. maintain the following: NGK spark plugs every 30,000 and all the rubber parts in the engine- hoses, gaskets, and belts every 30,000 miles.
Thats all you have to do to get 225,000 miles out of a Honda, or any Japanese engine built with the same tolerances as a Honda (not a kia or a daewoo).
So, for the average person who drives 12,000 miles a year, this amounts to nearly 19 years of driving the same car. How many people that you know keep their car 19 years? Nobody- people use their car maybe 8 years and sell it. That means if you use synthetic, the next guy benefits from all the money you wasted.
I have a 13 year old Honda that runs great and has always used regular oil, changed every 7500 miles. The car runs like new, but I'm tired of it- old body design, faded paint, and old, faded interior due to 13 years of sunlight.
Conclusion: there is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in using synthetic oil unless you are the 1% of people who keep their cars for 19 years and literally the day the engine seizes from longevity.
I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO MAKE IT A POINT to keep using it and selling every 2 years!!
- Tim
-- Don
Btw -- Factory Honda oil filters cost me less then three bucks each @ case price. What's a timing belt? I love my Mobil One! Cheers, Tim!!
Hondas, Toyotas, and even some Mitsubishis and Mazdas, are at least three generations ahead of the American cars in engine design. The tolerances in these engines are 1000x closer to true than any American car. American cars are still basically unchanged since the 1960s, the only major change being a switch from carburetors to fuel injection.
Only Mercedes have closer tolerances than the major Japanese manufacturers.
The reason you dont keep your cars longer than 100k is because you dont know what a timing belt is. A timing belt is one of the few things that you must change before it breaks. A broken timing belt is usually the reason many Hondas dont see past 100k (Timing Belts usually break around 100k and destroy the engine).
So, in my opinion, you are putting the horse before the carriage by using synthetic oil but never changing a timing belt or chain.
Ray T.
.....errr....what came over me?...I thought I was Rube for a sec..
Farr ahead eh?...
depends on how ya look at it...
I'll take my stone age 57 Chevy and 63 Vette...along with all the other classic muscle cars..throw in a 59 Caddy Convertable and a hard top convertable Ford..
Now let't talk about them there classic [non-permissible content removed] cars...DOHHHHH!
Ok Ok....how about the [non-permissible content removed] muscle cars now....DOHHHH
Take your rice and go talk to someone who cares about foreign crap...
I suppose ya like Osama too?
LOL
- RubeTim
Show us measurements and spec sheets that indicate this.. It's not true..
You also claim that american cars are (basically) unchanged since the 1960's..
If this were the case, then the Big3 would not even be in existance today..
The Japanese were the first improved production efficiency and quality and that enabled them to compete very well against the Big3. That occured 25 years ago. For a short period of time (about 2 to 4 years) there was a quality 'gap'. The Big3 adopted and even improved upon these processes in order to survive.. If the big3 did not make any changes since the 60's, they would have been extinct 15years go and we'd all be driving Japanese vehicles..
The fact that companies like Ford are still here today and strong proves you are wrong..
-- Don
Come on, it's common knowledge that Japanese motors last longer than American ones. They just don't make any horsepower. You have to understand that the Japanese companies were built on the idea that the automobile is to get you from point A to point B needs to get 30MPG in the process. That's how they came to America in the early 70's during the gas crisis. They are getting better each year as far as horsepower goes.
I still won't buy one though. I'm 100% American and I'll support American workers!
minikin- V-6's are 105k, but 4 cylinders are 60k or 90k depending on the model.
bess- tolerance on metal engine parts on GM cars are spec at .01". Hondas are spec at .0001". Thats 1000x closer. I'm sorry I don't remember where I read this.
GM pushrod engines, like the 3.8, the 4.3 and the 5.7, are basically unchanged from the 1960. Of course, emissions controls have changed, and they can get a few extra horses out of these 60's engines. And of course, these are tough engines, and they can handle more abuse than a Honda engine. But they certainly don't have the longevity of a Honda engine.
Compare a glass cup (Honda engine) to a plastic cup (GM engine). If you drop a glass cup, it will break, whereas a plastic cup won't. But after years and years of use, a glass cup will remain the same and still be useful to it's owner. A plastic cup will get shoddy and unusuable.
P.S. By the way, my father-in-law has one of those 1960's 4.3L engines in his '93 Chevy pickup that has gone just over 200,000 miles and runs great and gets 24MPG.
A motor won't even run @ .0001 clearance at the mains, rods, or pistons. Probably won't run very good at .01 at those areas either.
There would of been some credibility if he'd said .002-.003 which is where most mains and rods run. Pistons are a matter of forged or cast as to where you want your clearances.
Just another of many posts to ignore when someone thinks they have a clue.
The fact is that a growing number of americans have more faith in the long term reliability of Japanese engines. I think that this is because of poor design by american auto manufacturers. Many american designed engines are designed to last just beyond the warranty period.
Cars have become more of a commodity. A large number of americans trade their vehicles often and are therefore not interested in long-term reliability. For these people, domestic autos may be the better choice(If they don't mind taking their cars in for repair more frequently).
You somewhat contradict yourself in the above post.. You claim that a growing number of americans are interested in the long term durability of Japanese engines. Then claim that a growing number of americans aren't interested in long term reliability.. You also state the first point as a 'fact'. Please present the data to support this fact..
People trade off Domestic & Foreign cars every few years with the popularity of leases.
There are no classic [non-permissible content removed] cars...no big [non-permissible content removed] cars....no [non-permissible content removed] cars with power.....and no good [non-permissible content removed] beer!
..what was the point again?
- Tim
badrammen- change that timing belt, you'll thank me for it. I support American workers....Hondas are built in Marysville, OH.
minikin- V-6's are 105k, but 4 cylinders are 60k or 90k depending on the model.
bess- tolerance on metal engine parts on GM cars are spec at .01". Hondas are spec at .0001". Thats 1000x closer. I'm sorry I don't remember where I read this.
GM pushrod engines, like the 3.8, the 4.3 and the 5.7, are basically unchanged from the 1960. Of course, emissions controls have changed, and they can get a few extra horses out of these 60's engines. And of course, these are tough engines, and they can handle more abuse than a Honda engine. But they certainly don't have the longevity of a Honda engine.
Compare a glass cup (Honda engine) to a plastic cup (GM engine). If you drop a glass cup, it will break, whereas a plastic cup won't. But after years and years of use, a glass cup will remain the same and still be useful to it's owner. A plastic cup will get shoddy and unusuable
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What's funny is if he had said Japanese engines have tolerances that are sometimes .001 (.002 vs .003) closer than American, I might buy it. The 60's technology statement really made the BS meter go wild. The new GM V8's share NOTHING with the old 350's. Ford is all SOHC and DOHC(with timing chains I might add) Chryler has new OHC designs. Give it up Toyboys, you paid too much!!
modvptnl- theres no need to be rude. I never said .0001" clearance, I said .0001" tolerance on metal engine parts.
mgdvhman- I'll put a Tundra with the 245 hp Lexus V8 in a drag race against any F-150 and bet my life savings on the Tundra.
Tundras are the best full size pickup you can buy, bar none. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one with 100,000 miles. I would never buy a Dodge Ram with that kind of mileage.
So sign over the accounts now!
-Eric
...now That's what we need for old Batman!
I wouldn't buy a Dodge either.....and how many times are we going to have the Full size VS the mid-size Tundra war?..."Use you eyes....Tundra equals less truck for more buck!"
let's try the Ram 2500, Ford SD 250 , Chevy 2500, and the Tundra 2500.......DOHHHHHH!
I think I'd put my money on the Ford....even not a lightning...and definitely a 5.3 Chevy VS a Tindra
..imagine this test with max payload?....now that would be a belly buster watchin' the old Tindra scream in pain!
Good Luck on this one now!
- Tim
whats next- a tundra vs. a typhoon??!!
try a V8 Tundra vs. a V8 Ford F-150 with truck rims
I also have a hard time believing there is a whole lot of difference between the longetivity of American engines and foreign engines.
For example, if a valve is supposed to be 1", Japanese (and Mercedes-Benz) engineers will only allow .9999" to 1.0001" valves to be acceptable for use. American engineers are satisfied with .99" to 1.01". That simple fact, according to this author, is part of what makes japanese engines superior to American engines.
If I find the article, I'll post it here.
In you "reading" did anyone think to compare like engines and materials before considering tolerances?
The variety of materials used in engines and their
associated thermodynamics dictate tolerances.
Anyone that has some knowledge of engine machine work and tolerances will know that you cannot
compare the clearance of a camshaft in a iron block versus a camshaft in an aluminum cylinder head.
Again I see this as an attempt by the clue less to
sway the informed to the side of ignorance.
My last truck had 150,000 miles on it.
Zero problems
Could have used new carpet.
definitely could have exceeded 200,000 miles Sold off of the dealer lot the next day.
And it was a GMC. Made right here in the U.S.A.
with ALL of the proceeds from the sale going to
AMERICANS.
"but the plant is here...it's American"....
the amount for misc parts and labor to build it is nothing compared to the chunk that is the real profit and goes bye bye...
- Tim
MGD - you are not making a lot of sense. Are you saying that a vehicle with an American name such as Shakerado is more American because it is built in Canada? The last time I checked, Canada was a foreign country.
I do not see where these two statements are contradictory.
and My ado came from Pontiac thank you...
and be it built in Pontiac, mexico, or Canada.....the main profit stills goes to the USA.
Buy your imports...love the USA less and less..when do ya move there?
- Tim
Quotes:
"The fact is that a growing number of americans have more faith in the long term reliability of Japanese engines. "
Next paragraph.
"Cars have become more of a commodity. A large number of americans trade their vehicles often and are therefore not interested in long-term reliability."
In both sentences in post 133 you refer to "long term reliability". The first implying that growing numbers americans are interested in long term reliability, the second implying that growing numbers americans aren't interested long term reliability..
I do not find your statements in post 147 contradictory.. Although I don't know if what you state is factual..