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In some states, you can get $2K off MSRP already.
Seems like Honda has made the Ody very available everywhere. I see about 5 Odys at every Honda dealer in OKC, even a Touring w/NAV+RES, and it looks awesome.
The NAV screen is so huge, and the RES ceiling mount is so SLIM (yet huge 9" screen), it hardly takes away any headroom, unlike most DVD RES out there.
Good for customers, bad for dealers. Sort of.
-juice
Yeah, but you won't get a direct audio line with that. Instead, you get the not-so-good RF modulated sound.
Factory-installed RES are better.
1)You get the dash-mounted dvd player, instead of UNDER the 2nd row seat.
2) You get Direct-Line Audio.
3) You get Audio/Video/Headphone jacks/inputs on the 3rd row.
4) You get Bumper-to-Bumper warranty with everything else. And if you get a 7yr ext. warranty, it covers the RES also.
5) You don't to worry if those 3rd party people will screw up the installation or SCRATCH your van!
Inventory is quiet abundant. Just search around. Odyssey is not selling as well as the hype.
Sienna has HID with manual heigt adjustment. Which has about 2-3 times more coverage than Odyssey's headlight. This is a great safety feature if you drive where there are no street light.
Sienna has wider 3rd row seat, thus has better seating area for 3rd row.
Sienna's interior material is much better in quality.
On top of that Sienna has better power train warranty.
Odyssey does not match Sienna's quiet ride especially hihger speed. Although the engine is is a bit smoother and quieter at higher RPM, at low end sienna is quieter.
Have you ever driven a bmw w/out the sports package? I drive an 530 and it is waaaaay quieter than my 2001 Ody at ALL speeds and delivers a well damped ride while delivering the cornering Bmw's are famous for.
my 2 cents
I live in New Mexico and have found local dealers not very willing to move much at all from MSRP for the Sienna 2004 or 2005.
Honda dealers here are also asking full sticker (full MSRP) for the 05 Odyssey.
PLEASE HELP. I am willing to travel up to 4-5 hours.
Edmunds don't want it/....But will be essay to find out
just say the person from CA send you you...SOme one know.
Good luck,,,
For $2k, they had better be. But, are they?
>1)You get the dash-mounted dvd player, instead of UNDER the 2nd row seat.
Something wrong with having the DVD in the headliner, with the flat screen? Also, depends on how much space you have in your vehicle's dashboard. The DVD player can certainly be installed elsewhere, such as the 2nd glovebox.
>2) You get Direct-Line Audio.
Just takes a =<$100 adapter with any CD-changer compatible head unit.
>3) You get Audio/Video/Headphone jacks/inputs on the 3rd row.
Available aftermarket, too.
Advantages of non-factory systems:
1) price, over 50% less
2) headrest monitors
3) ridiculously big monitors available, to the point of impairing rear vision if you so desire
4) multiple monitors possible if you don't want/have a Quest
5) available touchscreens and VGA connectors on certain models in case you want to plug in a carputer or laptop
But, what do I know? My wife and I are opposed to giving our kids DVD-RES for many reasons, and didn't splurge.
One more thought, I noticed that the Accord is going to be coming out as a hybrid in November. I asked when he thought the Ody would become a hybrid. He thinks within the next five years. My loan will be for five years, in which case it might not matter which van I own because everyone will want a hybrid. Hmmm?
Not only is it disappointing that Toyota has not made side curtain airbags standard, but they are very difficult to find on the Sienna. The Sienna with all the options you have to add is just too expensive and you still might not get the added safety that Honda makes standard in the Odyssey. Toyota needs to get rid of the numerous variations and make it simple for the consumer. When you go to a Toyota dealership is nearly impossible to find a vehicle equipped the way you one and they force the consumer to either pay for even more options they don't want or need or forgo them all together.
Toyota needs to stop compromising on safety and start making all of typical options consumers want as standard equipment. The problem with this then would be that the Sienna would be even more expensive than already exists the price difference.
Thank you Honda for keeping things simple. When all you have to do is pick the color of a 2005 Honda Odyssey EX costing $28,510, while on the Toyota Sienna XLE costing $29,025, here what you have to consider:
13 different option packages which are expensive (one of them actually costing $8,555) and brings the Sienna to a total grand price of $38,145.
Just look on this site at the comparison of the two vehicles and the demand is accurately reflected in the TMV (What Others Are Paying). The Honda Odyssey is selling at MSRP, but the Toyota Sienna is well below MSRP.
If you need further consideration of value, simply refer to Intellichoice or ConsumerGuide to note who get the best value rating...once again, the benchmark of minivans...the 2005 Honda Odyssey.
The Honda Odyssey receives the highest ranking, while Toyota Sienna receives "recommended" rating as it is on par, but may lack refinement, have a high price, or appeal to limited audiences.
We drove both the Sienna and Ody today. Hands down the Ody has more power (smother acceleration) and more comfortable seats, but I cant get past the boxy exterior, black dash top and visible slider door tracks. The Sienna (in my opinion) just has a more pleasing look -smoother edges and no visible slider tracks, plus nicer alloys -16"and 17".
The "Magic Seat" was wonderful when introduced by Honda and 60/40 split "Magic Seat" wonderful when Toyota introduced it.
Praise all brands when a great idea is brought to market even if it is DaimlerChrysler.
But, it's a MINIVAN! It's going to look "boxy".
I know we are all different but, for the life of me I'll never understand why the "looks" of a utility vehicle are that important.
I guess it's true..." the hand buys what the eye sees"
People rip PAX tires because they don't have them and also don't understand how they work. They are just fine. BTW, resale value is better on the Honda, so even though you unfortunately paid sticker, if you trade, sell, get wrecked in it, it will return more money to your pocket.
Thanks.
So by definition, a minivan MUST be ugly?
Would a vehicle measuring 200" length x 77" height that looks exactly like a BMW X5 with dual sliding doors and power liftgate be an "SUV" or a "Minivan" ?
Or I guess it could be huge wagon?
I wonder why BMW, Mercedes, and Audi have wagons in the US, but Toyota/Lexus & Honda/Acura do not.
Subaru is releasing a 7 seater wagon in the US in 2006. But no word of Lexus or Acura.
Where do you live? Do you know of any reliable / trustworthy providers of aftermarket installation services in CA? My experience, having of a number of friends and acquaintances who have had some non-fact. mods installed, is that the results have been mixed.
Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide.
Best, LH
The power lift gate is a wonderful thing for people who are short and have trouble reaching the rear door when it is up. Also, the feature keeps your hands clean, as we all know the rear door of any van gets dirty very quickly--especially in the winter.
Also, it allows you to approach your vehicle with an armload of groceries, and open the door without putting them down.
A power rear door is a convenient and useful option. PAX tires are a gimmick.
2005 Honda Odyssey EX-L
EPA Mileage 20 mpg city 28 mpg highway
MotorWeek's mileage loop 22 mpg mixed city/highway
REF: MotorWeek Road Test Program # 2407
Just remember the Honda lover's mantra:
"if the Odyssey doesn't have it - it's not important!"
and the corollary:
"if the Sienna doesn't have it - it's a must have!"
People who don't think power liftgates are convienent don't have them. Much easier to open while holding your kids' hands in busy parking lots, and no need to get your hands dirty pushing on a dirty tailgate.
PAX wheels/tires a dumb idea no matter how you slice it. A flat tire leaves you dead in the water unless you happen to be near an open Honda dealer. Get a flat on Saturday night in the boondocks, and you're going to be waiting awhile to get back on the road. The RFTs on AWD Siennas aren't ideal either, but leave you with the option of replacing a damaged run-flat with a normal tire, and can be changed or repaired by a tire shop.
I am 6'6 and I do not care for power liftgate, but my wife is... well I do not remember but much shorter. She really likes this idea.
Adjustable pedals or telescoping wheel might look like unheeded item for you, but for me it's an important safety item (let's leave alone "safety for everyone" as it hardly means anything). Both (or ether) of these items might allow to sit further from the wheel.
And PAX is indeed horrible. With Toyota you can choose not to use run flats, not so with PAX.
PAX is a great technology, but it going to be owner nightmare until somebody decide to support them for real.
2. You get an audio that is just as good for movies. There's nothing wrong with RF modulation.
3. You have line-in on the overhead system. You get wireless headphones.
4. A five year extended warranty on an after-marked DVD system will cost just an extra $100.
5. I don't know which incompetent installers you've used, but all reputable shops will perform a flawless install that doesn't introduce any problems. Your Honda dealer is much more likely to scratch your precious van while changing oil.
Bottom line: don't just shoot off your mouth before getting some facts!
1) still not as convinient as a dvd player on the front dash
2) a dvd player built into the overhead system will reduce some headroom compared to an extremely slim system in the factory Ody RES
Yes there is.
1) You have to turn UP your volume, WAY UP.
2) You get static if you turn the volume up.
3) You get radio interference & a lot of static if you drive to a location that has radio stations close to your frequency. When I drive to Dallas, there's always some locations that won't even let me hear anything from the RF modulated system; all I hear is the severe static noise.
Oh, yeah, that's great having wires hanging all over from the ceiling!
With the factory RES, you get inputs from the 3rd row side and away from everything. Again, more convinient.
I used Best Buy. Most of these installers will do a nice job, but they are humans, and humans do make mistakes.
If they make mistakes at the factory, they will have to redo them so that it looks absolutely perfect. If a 3rd party screws up (because he is human), what will they do to fix that? Repaint your interior?
Bottom line: don't just shoot off your mouth before getting some facts!"
And you should not shoot off your mouth before getting some facts!
Do you have statistical evidence that Honda dealers are morely likely to scratch a vehicle changing oil than Best Buy, Circuit City, and other 3rd party installers? NO. You are just shooting off your mouth and made that up.
Last thing, quit being cheap and try to convince other people to be cheap like you.
I suppose you are going to try to convince everyone that an LX is just as great as a Touring model, right?
Factory installed is always better. If it's not perfect, you don't buy the van in the first place.
There's NOTHING WRONG with aftermarkets, but just don't say it's JUST AS GOOD as factory installed RES like you quoted:
"You get an audio that is just as good for movies"
Question: Do you get as much chrome with aftermarket items as with factory installed?
Question: Do you get as much chrome with aftermarket items as with factory installed?"
Okay, now I know you're just kidding around!
But the answer is, you usually get more chrome aftermarket.
If your back hurts, don't buy the Ody and buy the Sienna instead.
Gadgets are great, especially Ody NAV, but your back/health is number one priority.
The new ones (I think I have only tried leather) seem to be much improved. There is also an adjustable lumbar support.
But, since you are so familiar with the old ones, go to the dealer, and take a test sit/drive and decide for yourself.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Hey, just like the Sienna. Good news!
Recently rode in a friend's Lincoln LS with V8 engine. Lots of luxury items such as separately controlled temp for driver and front passenger, heated AND COOLED driver and front passenger seat, NAV, etc.
However at MSRP $48,000 + the Lincoln LS costs too much when a nice Ody EX-L-NAV costs just over $30,000. I can do without heated and cooled driver and front passenger seat of the Lincoln LS for all that extra money even if the Lincoln does have more chrome on the front than the more practical Ody EX-L-NAV. (I would actually get just the Ody EX and forget leather and NAV).
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.