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Drove Hondas for years traded 08 Accord this car is much quieter, just a tight and good of fit and finish. Getting over 40 mpg on highway was 44 last trip. Upper 30;s combined city/highway. Did tons of research before buying and drove 4 other cars and had no history with prior Jetta so not hating the new body style and TDI is loaded so happy with what I have and see of the inside and outside. Drove in slippery snowy conditions this morning and it was GREAT. See my post in 2011 Jetta about driving in snow.
TDI Golf 2 door: The money factor 0.00179 and residual for 36 months 15k is 0.50
GTI 2 door: The money factor for the GTI is 0.00081 and the residual for 15k is 0.53 for 36 months
Any ideas on that or on buying a loaner in general?
Thanks.
I may have been wrong about it being a loaner. I asked further and the claim was that the car was driven for all those miles by the dealer owner or someone high on the totem pole. Whether that's true or not and how that person treated the car, I have no idea.
I think I'll stay away.
I saw you found the Golf Lease Questions discussion. There is a another one for the Jetta. If you post your question there, Car_Man will see it, and post an answer for you.
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Same experience here except more extreme. We were baited in with a low price quote through Edmonds.
On ours, Suntrup started out 6,000.00 over what they had quoted and 3,000.00 over msrp.
They sent us an e-mail stating they had 6 base TDI Sportwagens on their lot starting at $23,332.00. My wife and I drove to St .Louis that morning and were shown the two least expensive ones they had at $29,xxx.00 and $28,xxx.00 plus we were given the added benefit of being treated like we were stupid.
Missouri Better Business Bureau rates Suntrup VW at solid F.
I wish I had know this before we wasted our time.
manual of automatic?
I just went into a Northern NJ VW dealer (bergen county) and they quoted me $27,685 for a TDI DSG with sunroof and tire package.
I didn't see the Golf TDI on edmunds "best payback for hybrid/diesel" list and I am concerned.
Thoughts?
chidrive
What Would It Take For YOU To Get a Diesel Car?
The extra price for the TDI is NOT simply for the TDI engine. The TDI has much nicer appointments (alloy wheels, larger tires, sporty suspension, better seats, etc.) as well. And when you consider the price of fuel, also realize that the price has been going up for both gas and diesel. My girlfriend has a 2009 gas Jetta Sportwagen. And while I pay more at the pump, she has to fill up more often than I do.
I love my TDI. It's fun, comfortable, and fuel efficient. I average 41 MPG on my trip to work and back each day. It's a combination of city and highway driving. On road trips, with air conditioning on, I've averaged 52 MPG. I've only averaged 9,000 miles this year.
"Study shows diesel engines recuperate extra cost quickly"
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The only thing that you need to consider is the problem with the High Pressure Fuel Filter. See here for information:
"NHTSA is estimating that 0.53% of 2009 models (1 in 200) and 0.11% of 2010 models (1 in 1,000) have experienced these failures."
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"This is the official thread for discussion of the fuel pump failure issue that is affecting a small number of 2009 and 2010 4 cylinder VW TDI engines."
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The "bling" aspect of the other stuff is important mostly to what makes you feel good while you do the miles(in my example 120,000 miles). Importantly it is either helpful or not, for the resale portion. The resale value of course lowers your per mile driven: depreciated (when you finally sell) You can see this in MB's and BMW used cars. Almost all are high quality but the resale values and percentages drop like rocks. Now TDI's have higher resale values both dollar wise and percentage wise over its gasser counter parts. Also in the example I gave it has higher $'s and more importantly percentage wise than the Civic (gasser)
I live in New York, and while my '09 Jetta TDI gets great mileage (40+) on the open highway (outside the city), it averages only slightly above 20 when confined to the 5 boroughs. So far, despite the nagging worry about the fragile HPFP, I love my Jetta, but not enough to delude myself into believing that the EPA's city estimate is based on REAL city driving conditions.
Good luck!
While I am sure this is LONG since forgotten, when the 04 Prius came out the EPA was 60 city and 50 highway. I am guessing this motivated HUGE numbers of people to buy Prius. Not too long afterward, there was a great bru ha ha that mpg was MUCH lower than epa's of 60 c / 50 h. Politically, it caused the EPA to adopted an even more complex (more prone to error and favoring hybrids) test. Even today, you really can not get a real picture of what ACTUAL range really triggered the Prius owners (small but obviously vocal) discontent.
Because I was seriously interested in the 2004 Prius (@ one time), the best I could get was it was giving 46 to 48 mpg. This was app 5 mpg better than the 2003 Prius.
Again the real issue (other than fuel mileage) is the fact the real competition to the Jetta TDI (09) is really the Camry Hybrid. As such the Toyota is thousands more and the Jetta TDI gets better fuel mileage. A dot.gov site shows owners report an average of 3.6 mpg more than the Camry Hybrid owners.
So it would be interesting to see what you would get driving a Camry Hybrid in the 5 bouroughs. Or any thing else for that matter.
Sam
I don't agree that the '09 Jetta's real competition is the Camry. That might be true of the new, roomier 2011 Jetta, but my brother has a Camry, so it's easy for me to compare -- his car feels like a leviathan on the road, and mine more like a little darter! In any case, Chidrive is considering buying a Golf TDI, for which a Prius is a better comparison.
And I stand by my original assertion: that for someone interested in buying an "affordable" car for mainly CITY driving, and for whom MPG is the #1 priority, hybrid/electric is a better option (maybe 75% better even by your figures) than diesel.
I really think that if stop and go is the real meat and potatoes, you have to remember that NYC taxis were primarily V-8 Crown Vics. What did they get on a good day? 15 mpg? It also makes you wonder, if Prius's were so good, why did it take the NYC taxi community app 10 years to start to implement the brand as Taxi's? I have read in passing we are talking less than NYC taxis of 13,700 units. NY coruts have stopped the implementation of hbrids beyond 33%?
How many "TAXI's?
You asked "if Prius's were so good, why did it take the NYC taxi community app 10 years to start to implement the brand as Taxi's?" Answer: the sluggishness of bureaucracy combined with our general resistance to the new. All things considered, I'm impressed that the city under Bloomberg started pushing for hybrid taxis as early as 2005 and that a third of all yellow cabs are now hybrids. (The courts haven't decided that 33% is the limit, only that the city cannot require all taxis be hybrid, which would mean setting a mandate in conflict with the Fed's.) Drivers and owners didn't get with the program until The Great Fuel Price Spike of'08, and now that we seem headed there again, Prius-driving cabbies are smiling "I told you so!" at their unconverted brethren.
BTW, I'm sure you noticed that the only diesel on that Wiki-list of "approved taxi models" was in fact the '09 Jetta TDI, but only twice have I actually spotted one dressed up as a yellow cab! The city has been on a quest to come up with a new, iconic taxi model to replace the disappearing Crown Vic and the late, lamented Checkers cabs, but I've been disappointed so far in the bug-eyed results. I think they should take a cue from London and go with a retro look, a design that references the Checkers models, something along the lines of the American-made Standard Taxi that was part of the Taxi 07 exhibit at the 2007 NY Auto Show.
http://autoshow.autos.msn.com/autoshow/NewYork2007/photogallery.aspx?cp-document- id=4679493
Interesting to note that the very first motorized vehicles used as taxis in NYC were electric, especially given all the talk (110+ yrs. later) about the "taxi of the future" being an EV. Even VW is belatedly joining the party, though of course NOT in America....
http://www.plugincars.com/vw-shows-plug-taxi-concept-london-reportedly-close-app- roving-production-106583.html
Happy Persian New Year!
1. Can these be added by a dealer later with OEM parts?
2. How much more do they cost than adding them as ordered options?
Thank you.
Now personally, I would stay away from xenon head lamps and for a HOST of reasons. Without a huge discussion, current draw is already pretty massive. Also xenon lamp replacement costs are factorially higher than even the expensive oem stock. I think you'd be shocked if you ever had to replace a xenon lamp housing due to a wayward stone.
HIDs conversely last the practical life of the car and give superior visibility that is very useful every night you drive.
I utterly disagree. I have HIDs now and could buy a car without them-- they aren't a must-have-- but they are high on my 'want' list.
Then you should stifle your impatience and order them oem. I suppose if you drive mostly @ night or have night vision issues, they are indeed a help. They are a very low priority on my list.
An analysis of automobile headlights, intraocular stray light, glare, and night driving shows that brightness rather than blueness is the primary reason for the visual problems that HID headlights can cause for older drivers who confront them. The increased light projected by HID headlights is potentially valuable, but serious questions remain regarding how and where it should be projected.
HID headlights probably improve the safety of night driving for their users. Unfortunately, they can dazzle viewers on two lane highways, making it more difficult for approaching drivers to identify pedestrians, road hazards, and curves in the road. Night-time driving is difficult for older individuals.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1771460/
There is a dealer around the corner from where we live. I'll just drive the car for a while without splash guards and see how dirty the door panels and back bumpers get. If I'm not happy without them, I'll inquire at my first regular maintenance.
I also wish U.S. spec Golfs offered AWD and front and rear park assist as well but still alas no.
http://www.insideline.com/volkswagen/golf/2010/2010-volkswagen-golf-gtd-first-dr- ive.html
Have them installed by either the dealer (just negotiate this into your deal as a freebee as it does not take long at all) or a well recommended auto body shop that knows where and how far to drill (assuming drilling is even necessary?) etc.
I absolutely LOATHE HID lights. Probably wonderful for the owner until he or she has to share the road with another owner approaching them. The fun stops right there. But even still, is worse for the driver who doesn't have them and try to see the road in front of them or the shoulder looking for pedestrians walking too close to road in dark clothing. Etc. Bumpy, frost heaved roads just make them that much harder to live around. I am shocked they are allowed to be honest. I think it is the rich supporting the damn thing's momentum by demand, because in the beginning you only found them on the highest-end cars.
If a walking marathon were held to outlaw them, sign me up. I'd walk till my poor old legs buckled at the knees if I thought there was a chance in hell the banishment would stick. Yes, I really do hate them that much. :mad: (That's the first time I have ever used a 'mad' emotorcon).
Sam
I've owned a car with great adapative/levelling HIDs and still prefer halogens. The xenons never burned out but I heard it's possible and expensive if they do.
Anyway-- I have used OEM systems. They work great. I feel they are worth the premium, but each person needs to justify the expense on their own. (Especially if they are only available in a very costly bundle / package group.)
They can be bright for oncoming drivers, but let's not overlook how much brighter conventional halogen lamps are today than in years past. Today's well-designed halogen projectors and reflectors throw a very bright, very broad beam compared to cars in the 80s and 90s, which themselves were far improved on 60s technology. Halogen lights on a late-model vehicle can dazzle you, especially on taller vehicles. This isn't a situation unique to HIDs.
Aftermarket HIDs are horrible unless they replace the entire headlight assembly and they are properly aligned. Enthusiasts who toss a HID lamp into their stock equipment and point it at the moon are a much bigger problem than OEM Xenons.
I'll give you that for sure. And like you say tall vehicles like larger SUV's and pickup trucks even with OEM halogens, but especially an upgrade to Silverstars, are hard to take.
Next worse are vehicles that have front end damage and the lights are way out of alignment and stay that way torturing other drivers for years.
Sam
And I realize we aren't behind podiums at a live debate, but the purpose of writing your opinions is for some sort of consideration by others. Otherwise they need not be written; if the only intended audience is you, what is all the typing for?
Notice how I'm not challenging the several people who also wrote that they haven't had a car with HIDs but agree with you that they don't need them, and that they are sometimes blinded by vehicles which presumably have them.
You may dislike them and that's fine. But they are not a maintenance or repair concern.
Do I dislike HID's? NO !! I just realize I am not the only one on the road and don't have night vision issues or they are NOT MY roads ! So what does it cost to change a low beam HID lamp?
$75. a pr? 09 Jetta Three WARRANTY PLANS????? Standard, 3 months +$8.00, 1 year + $10.00?
If it is not a maintenance item, makes you wonder why they sell em at all, let alone have to buy a pr? Warranties? .... ok....
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I realize its too late, but was just wondering what others thought of the price that I paid.
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And welcome to the forum. Hope you love your VW TDI....