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I think my uncle's old truck is still around. He sold it to a friend of his down in the mountains in Virginia, who wanted to use it for hunting trips. I don't think we ever took any pics of it specifically, but it's in the background of this picture:
A buddy of mine took this pic of my DeSoto in late 1990, not long after I got it.
How bout now?
I know, I know, not really fair. Wrong year and all. Just thought it was interesting.
But, suspension is the easy part. And at ~3200 lbs and AWD with a turbo 4, I would think hitting WRX levels shouldn't be tough. But I'm just making an uneducated guess.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Relative to OTHER Celicas, that All Trac would be "fun". Certainly more fun than a Tercel 4WD or a Honda 4WD or a Subaru SVX from the same era.
As for that 521 HP All-Trac, you know what they say---if you have the time and the money, we'll build you a 1000 HP Yugo. I wonder how they got the AWD system to hang in there. Maybe the idea is to not do anything too violent in it.
Yeah, I don't remember a lot of 'buzz' around it when it came out, as far as it being some early WRX - type car.
Quite a claim lady!
(Yes, I know that the 4-passenger part could be a bit cramped)
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'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
But now, put four people on board and that ain't gonna happen! With three passengers my size on board, instead of a car that weighs 2094 lb + the driver, suddenly you end up with a car that's more like 2700 lb + the driver
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Celica All-Track Turbo
Given that you can buy a nice used EVO for $20K, one wonders why someone would put all this time and money into this car.
That's what I wondered when I came across a Subaru Brat fan web site...
edit: to quote the web site: "Any BRAT is a fine truck. A truck that stands alone as a unique and technically superior marvel of engineering. A truck that is still years ahead of the most modern offerings of other manufacturers."
Why spend $10K putting an Integra engine and components on a Civic, when you can just buy an Integra for less?
On eBay I saw a 240SX with a TT 300ZX engine in it. Any reason why you wouldn't prefer a stock TT 300ZX for less money? By the time you switch everything over and beef up the old 240 to handle the power, it probably weighs as much and you've ruined any good the original engineers put into the car.
RX-7 with a Chevy V8 (even 3rd gen cars). Blasphemy. You've killed all that is good about the RX-7, and you end up with a decent brawn over agility type car - why not just buy a Vette in first place?
I could go on...
Why spend $10K putting an Integra engine and components on a Civic, when you can just buy an Integra for less?
I think that it because the Civic body/chassis is lighter, and the Integra engine is stolen.
LOL good one, probably true in many cases.
It's funny how the 90s cars I grew up with are becoming project cars nowadays.
In the early 90s I'd see so much American iron, beat up with huge bondo patches on it, like Novas Chevelles, Malibus etc... I was always wondering what the cars of my generation would look like in 10-15 years. And now you see a lot of unfinished import project cars from the 90s, Integras, Civics, and Mitsu Eclipses being by far the most common, with unpainted moster body kits, cracked front fiberglass airdams from hiiting the curbs, mismatched wheels, mismatched spoilers etc...
I guess that's my generation of hobbyists who gave up on their projects.
Ever wonder what project cars in 20 years will look like? I can see there being aftermarket kits for Navi raplacements, i Drive fix-it programs, etc.....
We're moving away from the mechanical car and into a world of electronics. You will need a computer programmer to resotre and fix most of today's cars in 20 years.
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Or (if we're lucky) there will be some $50 gizmo that plugs into the OBDII port and bypasses all that stuff :shades:
Weight. A stock twin-turbo Z clocks in at around 3600 pounds, while a stock 240SX coupe is more like 2700. Even with the brake upgrades and tranny swap (the 240 manual won't fit the VG engine), you're still well under 3000 pounds. Plus a 240 is a lot easier to find than a TT Z.
Nice looking shark
Has to be one of the best left...I know these are painful to own, but I want to like it
Funny thing
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
L6 is optimistically priced.
1994 Jaguar V-12 is about market correct. Shoot, cheap enough for a classy ride! You can't get a banged up Corolla for that money!
So, just buy it, and drive it with a smile until it stops one day, then remove the license plates and tip-toe away. What's not to like? :P
I wonder what they could do with that MB van.
Come on, the copper, steel and aluminum gotta be worth, what, $500?
Seriousely, what's a salvage yard pay for something like this? Metal prices are way up.
I also would like to comment that I always found a 1988 Celica to be more technologically advanced than a 1988 Volvo 240. I believe 240s were still using the exact same body sheetmetal as the first 140s from 1968-70. I myself would never buy an old clapped-out 140, and for good reason.
It would be like paying a premium price for a Sabaru SVX or a Tercel 4WD wagon or a Porsche 912E. These are "weird" cars, very interesting in their own way, but "rare" does not always equal "valuable", and you don't want to get in TOO deep on a "curiosity car".
Highlights - poorly repaired crash damage, check engine light on, odometer read 11k (he thinks the old one was replaced at around 60 something K, not sure how that adds up to 88K), entire lower half of engine coated in a thick layer of oil and grime. Firm on price, because... you guessed it - that is what he owes.
I made a 140 mile round trip to look at it.
I take it it's a rebuild, and a poor one at that, hence the replaced odo, and the other problems with it.
I bet you he bought new tires to hide alignement and uneven wear issues that old tires would typically show.
So he financed it, now he's buried in it with problems that he can't afford to fix. :lemon:
Is that red 80s 3 series still available that you posted earlier? Are you planning to look at it?
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
This reminds me of a story in "Blink" by Malcolm Gladwell. The short version is that experienced art people knew a statue was a fake from 10 feet away even though it had been authenticated through various scientific methods. The touchy-feely people were right and the scientists were wrong. It was a fake and somebody lost millions on the purchase.
I wish my car senses were that developed. I be Shifty can do this with almost any car.
The car in question is an '86, metallic blue with gold BBS wheels. The owner does most of the work on it himself, but had the engine out and at the Porsche shop my FIL hangs around about 5,000 miles ago. They went through it pretty carefully and fixed oil leaks and such as necessary. It has since developed one very small oil leak. The car is a driver with a few dings and scratches, but overall solid paint. Similar on the interior - no rips, no tears, most everything works, but not ready for anything more than the Walmart parking lot concours. AC works well and is cold...for about 20 minutes. Leave it off for an hour and it is ready for another solid 20 minutes. My FIL has ridden in it many times, and says it is a really nice, solid driver.
I am expecting some pictures later today. I apparently qualify for the close friend sales price through my FIL.
On the walk-around, I'm looking for ripples in the paint, signs of neglect, uneven "posture" of the car (is it level?), condition of tires. The interior gives me a world in information. If the driver sits in a pig pen, then he's driving a pig.
Lifting the engine lid tells me immediately the level of maintenance----a) fastidious,
If I am further motivated, I"ll kneel down (groan) and check underneath.
Usually all this takes about 3 minutes tops and then I "know".
I've bought cars in 30 seconds and rejected them in 15. Now and then I don't even get out of the car--LOL!
On a Porsche, I always LIFT the car and I always DRIVE it. Given that the engine on a 1986 Porsche is worth almost as much as the entire car, you don't want to mess around here. Many oil leaks are engine-out operations, which in turn suggest clutch work, etc. while you are in there, so an oil leak can nick you a couple thou.
A 1986 Carrera Coupe in pretty good shape? Maybe $14,000 if everything checks out great? Deduct accordingly for bad paint, interior defects, etc. The AC is an issue. I don't know if you need AC where you live, but generally this system doesn't work all that well and certainly gets in the mechanic's way all the time, costing you money during service intervals.
too bad it's not a 1987--the clutch is a lot smoother.
This is actually his second time listing it. First time the high bidder decided to disappear.
The Amazon cars always amused me for how high the door handles were placed.
Why does he talk about himself in the 3rd person? ("Seller bought this car in October '07")
Unless he isn't the seller??? Very confusing.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I think he set the reserve at $2K? The first time it went around, I think it got bid up to $2950.
If I were him I'd take $2,000 in a red hot minute and kiss the buyer (or shake his hand, depending).
Looks like 'yer typical funky east coast Volvo 122.
About the only plus I see here is the overdrive transmission. It probably runs lumpy and ornery at idle because of the Weber, which is dumping way too much fuel into the engine and carbonizing the plugs until you get rolling down the highway. (that's my guess anyway).
Actually, any bid over $1,000 I'd let the car go.