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BTW, I'm with you on the V6...screw the gas mileage!
Ok so your gonna be the first living human that we know of here who will drive a V6 a long distance at highway speeds so you can give us a real gas mileage input in a week or two!
Enjoy your new RAV4 V6 and keep us posted.
Jim D
PS Forget all this technical stuff on mpg and wear etc. I heard the V6 comes witha bottle of sake hidden in the jack compartment. Check it out!
me: well as you understand physics, and thus a science, you remember that the one of the reasons for teaching scientific laws is so the principles can be generally applied.
If you want to see specific data on engine MTBF (mean time between failure) from a specific manufacturer see if you can google that. I certainly don't want to waste time presenting data from a source you don't think is valid. It sounds like though you're not looking for general scientific proof that more rpms create more stress and wear. Let us know what engr. studies you find; especially if they say a 4 cyl. engine has equal or better MTBF. Until then we'll trust scientific principles that more motion and wear are worse for the life of an engine.
Give it a rest guys! Yikes
I'm talking about my patience ... give it a rest
Think about what happens when it rains after a long period of dry weather. The streets end up coated with weeks of motor oil droppings and water. Very little roadbed adhesion for your tires to grip with. If you wish to accelerate quickly from a standing stop having the engine torque distributed over all four contact patches will always yeild more effective traction, more effective than FWD or RWD alone.
But then again AWD/4WD can have negative aspects also. If, in the above circumstance, accelerating briskly on an oil and water coated surface, you happen to need to turn suddenly/quickly, it would be nice to negate all of that engine drive torque and allocate your entire roadbed traction coefficient to lateral, directional control.
That's where some of the new, latest, AWD system designs come into play. The new Lexus GS & IS AWD system will reapportion engine drive or engine braking torque due to compression if the VSC's yaw sensor indicates lateral forces are building to the point of "breakaway", the front tires contact patch cannot support both lateral and longitunal forces simultaneously.
Another good reference is the new Acura RL and upcoming RDX AWD system. Acura, of all the marques I never expected would abandon FWD, is apparently now in the process.
Even the Volvo XC90 and teh Ford Freestyle have new, stellar, outstanding, AWD systems. These systems automatically reallocate the majority of engine torque to the rear as you enter a turn/curve and then begin reapportioning engine drive torque to the front as you reach and pass the apex of the turn/curve.
Looks to me like patently unsafe FWD and front biased AWD might become obsolete within a decade.
Which engine has more buzz when accelerating ?
me: Now many people will just be of the opinion that you should just learn to shovel, and forget about the AWD/4WD. But if I can have more capability from the vehicle, and don't need to get out and shovel - great. If you have to get somewhere in a hurry, shoveling may prevent you from getting there in time.
I have a 450' dirt driveway, and in a 15"+ snowstorm it takes me about an hour to snowblow it. Or I have the option of hopping in my wife's Silverado, putting it in 4Lo and using the engine power to bulldoze thru and over the snow.
When it snows where I live, help can be about as available as if you were on a roof in New Orleans this Fall. You're on your own if you need to get out somedays. Seeing the incompetence and fallibility :sick: of our government several times in the last few years, I hope many of you will start realizing you need to be prepared to take care of yourselves and neighbors in any sort of emergency.
me: I'd never know, because I'd get a decent stereo.
you: Which engine has more buzz when accelerating ?
me: Well since the V-6 will substantially out-accelerate the 4-cyl, if all you want to do is accelerate at the 4-cylrate, the V-6 really shouldn't be revving that much. I'd guess half-throttle would accelerate the same as the 4-cyl floored.
I have a Magnaflow cat-back on my Firebird and you should consider similar if you don't like the sound of the vehicle - get some mild rumble. Yeah baby! (Just watching Austin Powers in his Shaguar)
3/36 basic
5/60 powertrain
5/unlimited rustthrough
plus emissions warranties
Anyone know for sure?
***That's where some of the new, latest, AWD system designs come into play. The new Lexus GS & IS AWD system will reapportion engine drive or engine braking torque due to compression if the VSC's yaw sensor indicates lateral forces are building to the point of "breakaway", the front tires contact patch cannot support both lateral and longitunal forces simultaneously.***
Date Posted
02/03/2006 Don't Buy 4 Cyl 4WD by Rob1975
Style: Limited 4dr SUV 4WD (2.4L 4cyl 4A) Rating 7.5
Review: When I read the reviews last fall, this sounded like a great vehicle. The dealer didn't have any RAVs in stock when I ordered, but I figured the pre-delivery test drive would indicate if I would be happy with it. What a huge mistake and disappointment. I should have test driven where I drive daily. I live in the mountains of Northern AZ (Flag, Prescott area), but I thought 166 horsepower should be adequate in a smaller vehicle. The transmission constantly downshifts on practically every uphill section, which of course is ruining my mileage. Even trying to maximize economy after 1500 miles I have yet to average 20 mpg for even one tank. Not worth $25K for a 4 cyl. Spend the extra $ for V6.
Favorite Features: Very comfortable and great attention to detail. Typical excellent Toyota quality.
Suggested Improvements: Don't buy the 4 cylinder if you will be doing any mountain driving and/or will carry a full load. You'll be disappointed both with the performance and the mileage. Toyota should drop the 4 cyl and make a smaller V6 with at least 200 hp and more torque the standard engine.
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Ratings Detail
Performance 5.0
Comfort 9.0
Fuel Economy 5.0
Fun-to-Drive 5.0
Interior Design 9.0
Exterior Design 9.0
Build Quality 9.0
Reliability 9.0
Rating 7.5
I am purchasing a Limited with Moonroof and a 3rd row seat. SO I know (at least out West), you can get both options. I cannot imagine why any region would not offer the option of 3rd row seat if you are also getting a moonroof? I don't see the connection between the two?
Ordered my RAV at Libery Toyota in Colorado Springs.
Generally speaking across the Toyota lineup we're paying between 10% and 20% more than the US after factoring in the current exchange rate.
There was a big scandal at the Quebec gov't run liquor board because they were caught manipulating the exchange rates, but the car companies seem to be much worse.
At Audi Canadians pay a 14% premium for 4WD compared to an 8% premium for 2WD
Subaru is even worse with 20% premium on the WRX and Honda has a 13% additional markup on an SI with Aero and 18" wheels.
The new VW GTI gap starts at 14% for the base but when you add some extras it drops to 7%
Given the free trade laws I think it's at the point where it might cost less to import the car from the US rather than buying at a Canadian dealership.
rich
PS - don't give me the line about supply and demand. This is the corporate machine exploiting the under informed consumer.
Importing Car into Canada from US
Canadian Car Buying (for Canadian Consumers)
Down here you also get invoice pricing free from Edmunds and other sites. Up there you gotta pay for this info.
On the other hand, I'm about 14 hours from the nearest Tim Hortons....
Steve, Host
The globalization frenzy is leaving consumers no means to determine the value of their goods.
How can an item costing 3$ to manufacture and land retail for 120$?
rich
- perhaps I will...
Very friendly and willing to work with you.
One dealer said selling at MSRP even when ordered and would not deal.
Shop around.
The V6 must absolutely fly.
First couple tanks of gas, combined highway/city/mountain roads (lots of hills), I have gotten 25MPG. I have no doubt that strict highway would be close to 30MPG.
Note this would NOT be via dealer-to-dealer trade or anything (that turned out to be impossible, and that was after a whole lot of digging into the issue).
Regards,
M