I believe it will be an x5. I will be very tempted if these diesels arrive with manual trannies . A X5 diesel would bethe only SUV vehicle I would ever consider purchasing.
What would stop me from purchasing such a vehicle: A 330xi diesel Touring(my Dream Mobile)
Well of course we'll never get a CLS diesel for the reason you state. I think we'll see an diesel version of the new S, and then C-Class. I'm sure we'll get a M and R-Class diesel.
If they would bring the Touareg with the V6 TDI then they would have a vehicle I could consider. The V10 TDI is overkill for all but the wildest drivers.
you're right - you would be settling if you got a vw 4motion with a diesel. (why cancel out your efficiency gain with all wheel drive?). mercedes has that B-car (A-car stretched to the size of a Golf) in diesel in Germany. for whatever reason, they aren't bringing it here. although i wonder if the car that DC is going to use to replace the neon isn't a reskinned B-car.
my brother lives in Germany. he has a toyota avensis turbodiesel (sort of like a corolla - but bigger - i think). He loves his car. I want a toyota diesel here too. another point for a diesel is this - biodiesel - renewable resource, and what a shot in the arm for agriculture. at least two birds with one stone.
Jaguar is planning to make its flagship sedan, the XJ, available with a 2.7L six cylinder that makes 207 hp, 300+ torque, and only weighs 400 or so pounds. Perhaps this is a sign of things to come. I hope
This is the most likely candidate to power the CLS, wouldnt it? 300+ HP and 400 + torque should be perfect for the CLS 420CDI, especially since it was built specifically for the E and S-series
I saw one of these when I was in Madrid a year ago. 5 speed. sweeeet. That would be perfect for me. A 4Motion 5spd Passat could be better, but I don't know if one exists at all.
A reporter would like to interview diesel passenger car and pick-up owners and Southern California residents who'd like to buy a diesel passenger car but can't because new ones aren't sold in California. Please respond to jfallon@edmunds.com by Thursday, July 14, 2005 with your daytime contact info, vehicle year/make/model and city/state of residence, and put the word “diesel” in the subject line.
Anyone know if the new Energy bill just passed by the Senate today contains the tax break for new diesel car buyers that Bush was asking for? (would be similar to the hybrid vehicle tax break...)
By purchasing a hybrid or diesel car after Jan. 1, 2006, consumers can get a tax credit anywhere from $500 to $3,400 dollars, depending on the fuel efficiency of the car.
The tax credit for a Toyota Prius, for example, would range anywhere from $2,500 to $3,000, according to Toyota.
"Congress has acknowledged that both clean diesels and hybrids will help boost U.S. fuel efficiency by making the two technologies eligible for the same advanced-vehicle consumer tax credits. These incentives are an important step in expanding the market for energy efficient vehicles. Thanks in part to tax incentives, there will be nearly 10 hybrid models for sale in the U.S. by the end of the year -- up from only two models in 2001 when Congress first enacted the hybrid incentives. Now that diesel vehicles will be eligible for the same advanced-vehicle credits as hybrids, we -- along with a growing chorus of industry analysts -- expect similar growth in the clean diesel market.
"Americans will find that today's diesel cars and trucks are clean, quiet, fun-to-drive and achieve 20 to 40 percent greater fuel economy than gasoline- powered equivalents. The U.S. Department of Energy estimates that a 30 percent penetration of clean diesel technology in the U.S. car, truck and SUV market by 2020 would reduce net crude oil consumption by 350,000 barrels per day."
Forget it. I found it on my own. My 05 Jetta TDI wagon is just about perfect, but in a few years when the last child goes off to college, I'll be ready to hand it over to my wife and hopefully (if Mazda is not just playing with our heads) get a MX-5 with a peppy diesel. I think the marriage of the MX-5 with the new generation diesels is not only logical, but something consumers will want (so I hope Mazda is listening).
I am convinced that my next car or pickup will be a TDI. Prolly in 2007.
Some candidates, the Toyota Taco, the '07 SportTrac, and whoever else manages to get a diesel in a small pickup or wagon. Hopefully Benz and BMW will have something by then.
How long it will take the EPA/IRS to come out with the list of clean diesels that get the tax break, what the break actually is and whether the energy bill will speed up availability of diesel models. Many of the US models are diesels in other parts of world. Probably gets timed with ULSD.
Today's regional newpaper here in Eastern Mass. had an article describing the new 2006 MB E320 diesel and that it was going to be available in all fifty states next year, due to cleaner diesel fuel coming to market next year. Is this for real? Has the US finally got up to speed on the diesel fuel issue? I'm starting to feel like a little kid before Christmas if it is going to be possible to buy a diesel car here in Mass. next year !!
Let the NE freeze in the dark. Bring on the small diesel PU trucks and cars. We may be able to increase Biodiesel production faster than Petroleum diesel. Right now today in San Diego the cheapest diesel available is BP/ARCO ULSD. It is 8 cents a gallon cheaper than cheapo truck stop diesel.
Why don't they just develop diesels? What does 80% of the efficiency at 50% of the cost mean? Does he mean 50% of the cost of a gallon of fuel? Or 50% of the cost to develop and supply the device(s).
Then he says that the device would give a gas engine 20% better fuel efficiencey. I thought diesels got 30% and better fuel efficiency over gas engines. How does this equate to 80% of the efficiency of a diesel?
This sounds fishy to me and shows how far the 'little 3' automakers need to go in fuel economy principles placed into production.
Lean-Burn Technology Vehicles: Qualified "lean burn" vehicles are passenger cars and trucks with internal combustion engines that use a direct injection of a fuel mix with a higher-than-normal percentage of air. Some new diesel cars that will soon be introduced in the U.S. will qualify. Many car enthusiasts (including me) are anxiously awaiting the new crop of diesels, which are already well-accepted in Europe. They will achieve far better fuel economy without sacrificing much performance (unlike some hybrids, which, on steep hills, are often passed by oxcarts).
The lean-burn tax credit amounts are the same as those for hybrid vehicles. So the minimum combined credit amount for a lean burn vehicle that qualifies for both the fuel economy and conservation credits will be $650, while the maximum combined credit will be $3,400. Which vehicles will qualify and how much the credits will be for them remains to be seen. Stay tuned.
But unfortunately they also have to meet Tier 2 emissions. It is my understanding that the new diesels can't do that without ULSD and particle traps. So even though the tax credit begins in Jan 06 I don't see having any available models until at least 07 MY. Once again, the tax makers, car makers and fuel makers have conspired against me to get a new car when I want one!
The tax credits for USA are not available to ANY diesel passenger car or truck. They were written into law in such a way that only hybrids will qualify. The emissions levels of the current available diesel vehicles are all too high to qualify. The VW TDI's, the Mercedes, the Liberty, all are not applicable.
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BMW will be introducing a turbodiesel SUV!
I believe it will be an x5. I will be very tempted if these diesels arrive with manual trannies . A X5 diesel would bethe only SUV vehicle I would ever consider purchasing.
What would stop me from purchasing such a vehicle: A 330xi diesel Touring(my Dream Mobile)
300 with diesel
That beauty would swing me toward BMW. I think the future of quality diesel cars for the USA is looking good. I hopeful.
http://www.autointell-news.com/european_companies/BMW/bmw-x5-3-diesel/bmw-x5-3l-diesel.htm-
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A CLS320 CDI is an interesting car, but it will never be sold here.
M
I am sure MBUSA in all their infinite wisdom sees the CLS as too much of an image car ro make it diesel. Funny that it won't hurt the image elsewhere.
That's BMW's old diesel. The new one gets better fuel economy and 100 more hp.
I want a 330i already. A 330id would be a home run for me.
M
V10 TDI
my brother lives in Germany. he has a toyota avensis turbodiesel (sort of like a corolla - but bigger - i think). He loves his car. I want a toyota diesel here too. another point for a diesel is this - biodiesel - renewable resource, and what a shot in the arm for agriculture. at least two birds with one stone.
Golf with 140PS TDI 4Motion rated 46.4 mpg on combined cycle
Loss of 3.2 mpg for AWD is negligible loss in efficiency.
Diesels in pipeline
http://autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=4565
This is the most likely candidate to power the CLS, wouldnt it? 300+ HP and 400 + torque should be perfect for the CLS 420CDI, especially since it was built specifically for the E and S-series
dave
Thanks.
The tax credit for a Toyota Prius, for example, would range anywhere from $2,500 to $3,000, according to Toyota.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/07/29/pf/energy_bill_consumers/
"Congress has acknowledged that both clean diesels and hybrids will help boost U.S. fuel efficiency by making the two technologies eligible for the same advanced-vehicle consumer tax credits. These incentives are an important step in expanding the market for energy efficient vehicles. Thanks in part to tax incentives, there will be nearly 10 hybrid models for sale in the U.S. by the end of the year -- up from only two models in 2001 when Congress first enacted the hybrid incentives. Now that diesel vehicles will be eligible for the same advanced-vehicle credits as hybrids, we -- along with a growing chorus of industry analysts -- expect similar growth in the clean diesel market.
"Americans will find that today's diesel cars and trucks are clean, quiet, fun-to-drive and achieve 20 to 40 percent greater fuel economy than gasoline- powered equivalents. The U.S. Department of Energy estimates that a 30 percent penetration of clean diesel technology in the U.S. car, truck and SUV market by 2020 would reduce net crude oil consumption by 350,000 barrels per day."
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I am convinced that my next car or pickup will be a TDI. Prolly in 2007.
Some candidates, the Toyota Taco, the '07 SportTrac, and whoever else manages to get a diesel in a small pickup or wagon. Hopefully Benz and BMW will have something by then.
The M5 should easily do 36 mpg with a TDI.
John
Not with attitudes of the following individual.
op ed diesel viewpoint
Came home just weny on the normal sites i do to find out whats been going on in the car world and saw that!
What are your thoughts?
James
Write your legislator! We need the same emissions regs. in the USA as Europe to allow for diesels to be imported.
Then he says that the device would give a gas engine 20% better fuel efficiencey. I thought diesels got 30% and better fuel efficiency over gas engines. How does this equate to 80% of the efficiency of a diesel?
This sounds fishy to me and shows how far the 'little 3' automakers need to go in fuel economy principles placed into production.
HCCI engine
The lean-burn tax credit amounts are the same as those for hybrid vehicles. So the minimum combined credit amount for a lean burn vehicle that qualifies for both the fuel economy and conservation credits will be $650, while the maximum combined credit will be $3,400. Which vehicles will qualify and how much the credits will be for them remains to be seen. Stay tuned.
http://www.smartmoney.com/taxmatters/index.cfm?story=20050818
http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=13375&hed=Diesels+May+Challenge+Hybrids§or=Re- gions&subsector=Americas">diesel debate
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Certainly the feds jumping in with goodly rebates will encourage this.
John