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(I don't believe you can copy and paste Adobe documents, jim.)
That has to be the dumbest idea I have read on this board. I have heard of irrational exuberance but this one takes the cake. To move from a 2005 EX-V6 to an Azera (without the ultimate package to boot?) The depreciation hit on the Accord plus a $2,000 out-of-pocket up front does not make any economic sense unless you work for Hyundai then that is a different story.
There is no (zero) advantage to moving to an Azera from an EX-V6. None! The EX has a better engine, superior handling, it rides better, gets better gas mileage, better styling and most certainly better resale value.
Worst yet to move from a purchase to a lease just does not make sense. As we say in the finance world, leasing is for suckers, and so my my friend you have been had. I must congratulate your salesman as he or she did a great job.
Enjoy your ride--because it's your money. :confuse:
Question. Bwia, since you have made it quite clear that you don't own an Azera and would never buy one, why do you hang out and post in the Azera forum?
You are exactly right--it's his money.
Oh I don't know given the choice between the two I would seriously consider the Azera over the Accord.
The EX has a better engine,
Not sure if its better but it is smaller and less powerful.
superior handling, it rides better,
Not sure, I have ridden in both and I wouldn't say either is really better.
gets better gas mileage,
The EPA rating gives the Accord 1 MPG better gas mileage, big deal seeing your getting a more powerful engine for the 1MPG trade off.
better styling and most certainly better resale value.
Styling is awfully subjective and resale value remains to be seen.
As we say in the finance world, leasing is for suckers,
If you truly worked in the financial world you wouldn't say that, it all depends on the individual, what they need and desire.
and so my my friend you have been had
Since we do not have all the circumstances are we cannot say that in all honesty
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
As far as your leasing ignorance, you can try and deceive others about leasing but nonetheless very much an incorrect conclusion. As a veteran in the finance world (10+ years of experience), your claim, "leasing is for suckers" make me laugh so hard because you probably dismiss all of the advantages in a lease. For some people, lease works better than finance; and vice versa, for some, finance works better than lease.
Because the built quality was so poor. It rattles everywhere. I couldn't take any more. Please DO NOT INSULT other members on this board.
Leasing is not for suckers. In many cases, as with the $299/month, $1999 down Hyundai lease, it is a great deal because the factory has SUBSIDIZED (you know, welfare??) the lease with a below-market interest rate, at an acquistion cost which offsets depreciation hit and also the factory now bears the depreciation "risk"....but I am sure that is all outside your "box" which is very square!!
I realize you get a joy out of getting rises from people....but your bashing is very UNamerican, so you should remove your flag from your ID and go back to Russia.
At first I too was caught up in the hysteria, but on close observation I realize the Azera is a major step above the XG-350 but is unremarkable compared to other entry-level luxury sedans. Take for example, the console’s styling. There is nothing wrong with it except that is looks and feels more like a 1990s rather than a new millennium design. It's the kind of design Detroit automakers have been chided for years.
Meanwhile, back to the leasing question. Even ykang admitted that he took a financial hit when he traded in his EX-V6. At $299 plus $74 (i.e. $1,999 ÷ 27), that is equivalent to $373 per month. Is that really a good deal? I think not. So in two years he will be in the market looking for a new car, perhaps.
So friends don’t be hating I am just bringing in a little dose of reality to what appears to be irrational exuberance on the part of some of the Azera acolytes.
You cannot reasonably do that. People have different needs, wants and priorities and they are entitled to choose the vehicle they want for the reasons they want without being ridiculed on any level.
In other words, thank you all the same, but we do not need a "little dose of reality" to any exuberance you believe is "irrational".
As for leasing, it works. Take my own experience, I've leased for the longest time - why? Among other reasons, monthly payments are lower than financing and I get a new car every two or three years. Why not!! Like everyone mentioned previously, leasing works for some; financing works for some...
Open the link below. I've tinted my windows (~$125) added mud guards and held off on changing headlight bulbs due to postings by others that the bulbs have short life expectancy and are quite pricey.
http://www.carspace.com/jim101
Be excited, we all are.
My last car from one of the big three had a punch list that never ended, spent more time in shop then on road and required two new motors within 25k miles.
Our 'A' is 'SMOOTH', not one item on the punch list and not so much as a rattle, wait there was one, a bottle cap in the cup holder. Sorry, guess that doesn't count.
Hilarious.
Hyundai owners not wanting their car to be seen as a Hyundai. I guess I understand.......
Tell, you what, lets just forget about it, not that important anyway.
Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 99% sure they are H7's... I bought H3 fog lamps to match my wife's HID headlights.
Bwia, hahahahahahaha.
My car already has 1,745 miles and the most that I have been able to get is a 14.2 miles per gallon average. I had use my car for short drives in the city under light traffic :confuse: .
I know that many of you are getting much better performance and because of this I am taking it to the dealer this Wednesday. Any suggestion on what should I ask the dealer tech to look for? Had anyone had this experience?
Since this will be my first visit for service I would like to get feedback on changing the oil and other services that I could request at this early stage.
Your kind and sincere input will be appreciated.
Best Regards
Edgar
My car already has 1,745 miles and the most that I have been able to get is a 14.2 miles per gallon average.
Last tank: 277 miles / 14.2 gallons = 19.5 mpg. (The mpg display predicted 19.7 -- which was very close this time)
I drive 70% city and 30% highway. I guess if driving ALL city, it would drop probably 2-3 mpg, but your average of 14.2 seems low to me. One of the things I would certainly test, if I were you, is a long highway trip. It you get below 27 on that, then there obviously is a problem.
My experience is 17 city and 28 highway with my average being about 18-20 since I drive mostly city.
Also consider if you sit in traffic at all. My city driving has a lot of stop-and-go but the lag times are fairly short. If you are mostly in rush hour traffic limping along 15 mph here and there with long stops inbetween, I could very well see a 14 or below mpg rate. Otherwise, no.
If you can, take a cruise on a highway where you can set the cruise on 63 to 64 mph and not get caught by many traffic lights. Once you get on the road, cruise on, reset the mpg ave to zero. You may have to cruise for 30 miles in one direction to get a decent number so try to select a road that you can do this on. Try to keep the cruise on and the foot off the accelerator. You should see the ave mpg getting better and better. I actually saw 30.5 ave mpg, I hope you can get up to 27, 28 or higher.
Your ave mpg may be due to the extreme heat, startup idling to cool vehicle, running the air conditioning 'hard' to keep the vehicle cool and long red lights.
The wait is worth the end result. My dealer told me two weeks and it was less than seven days. You'll be cruising :shades: in no time.
With the VIN at the dealer it mandates that vehicle to you.
Look at the MSRP sticker, me thinks it will have your name on it right from the factory in Korea and the build date in the door will be recent. It may even arrive with round red 'HOT' stickers on the driver seat back.
Use this time to make a list of the things you need to take with you. Questions you need to ask and things you want done. Example: Program ez-out, set limp home mode code, your choice of four numbers, etc.
Call ahead and tell them to leave off the wind deflector if you so chose and ask if they will put those mud guards on for free, betcha they do.
Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy
I got the same car you ordered last saturday. Black exterior with beige interior. The sad news is I found a scratch today while I was washing my car. I will stot by dealer tomorrow and sort this out. You need to inspect your car thoroughly when you pick up your car. I used to drive 97 Lexus ES300 and this baby is a lot better than ES especially acceleration. I don't have to worry about merging into freeway. Enjoy your black beauty.
And you're wrong.
I'm 6'2", 240 and long-waisted. In the Accord with sunroof, my head was nailed to the edge of the ceiling. This could be called a compromise to one's comfort. My backside (40" pants) was riding on the two side bolsters of the bottom cushion. More compromise. Azera Ultimate, no problems. None.
As for the ride, I test drove both cars on the same cratered, pitted back streets. The Accord V6, with its snazzy 17-inch wheels and low-section tires (which the car wasn't designed for in 2003), practically rattled my fillings loose. Stepping out of a Maxima SE, I was shocked at how stiff it was. The Azera... no problem.
I'm a great admirer of the Accord. I was even a member of an Accord posting board until I test drove the Azera (twice!). Now, price is no factor. I'd gladly buy an Azera, and I personally no longer want an Accord. Speak for yourself -- and thank god you don't get to spend MY money. :P
1) This car is so genuinely luxurious that the cheesy fake wood is beneath it. I'd pay $1,000 more to replace all of it with real timber.
2) Just a LITTLE stiffer suspension option. Not much -- I like the ride too much to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Just, say, a 20-inch rear swaybar in place of the factory 17-incher for a little more roll stiffness and quicker steering response.
3) I love having a trip computer, but the orange color of the Azera's is one of the car's few aesthetic mistakes. It mismatches the attractive gauges. Making the computer blue on black, or red on black, would fix that.
4) The center armrest looks luxurious, but its padding should be thicker. My elbow bottoms out too easily, which discourages me from using it. (I told you these were minor quibbles.)
5) Bring on the XM/Sirius and the navi!
Great work, Hyundai.
PS: Overhaul the dash and gauges, and I'd be interested in the Sonata too.
By the way if anyone is interested in reading the report About Azera's top ranking here is the link:
Azera Tops In Owner Satisfaction
As far as the navi system, you may as well get your feet ready because the '07 Azeras are supposed to have navi systems available.
Hope this helps
1. Need for ignition key to be inserted for memory seats to operate.
2. Not including pedal adjustment in memory settings.
3. Lack of advertized tilt in reverse feature of sideview mirrors.
4 No nav option.
5 Can't change radio station from steering wheel control.
I was advised by Customer Service that engineering gets feedback about owner concerns.
Oh, you'd get a LITTLE more stiffness alright... I think those sway bar dimensions are in millimeters, not inches. (Where would put even a 17" diameter bar under a car with only 5.5" of ground clearance?! ) I agree, though, Hyundai has been stingy on rear sway bar specs for years on their other lines, too. (The rear sway bar diameter on my '03 Sonata is a butt-caressing 11.5mm...)
Well I'll be, found out something today while talking with a service rep at HMC in CA.
Seems he heard that one could open the trunk of an Azera without keys, without opening drivers door and pushing the trunk lid switch and without using the hand held unit.
I wasn't quite sure this was true so I went to the garage to find out.
Yep, just walk up, run fingers under edge of trunk, in the center, above the license plate, where you find a spot to compress and wa-la the trunk opens.
Now, before ya-all panic, it only works when the car is unlocked, which makes sense. If the car is locked you cannot open the trunk this way. Realize that if the doors are unlocked all you have to do is open the door press the trunk switch and the trunk opens or if the seats are not locked one can get into the trunk that way.
I have to try locking the switch behind the rear seats and see if that prevents entry when turned on. Then try it without the glove box switch being turned 'on' and with the glove box switch turned 'off'.
I'm confident that all will work well and provide a secure trunk when it needs to be.
Anywho, thought I'd pass it along.
Good day
Imagine what the new car manager thought when the salesman showed him "my find"... (I guess they don't get training on each individual model, eh?)
I admit, I don't own one yet. When I took my test ride, I thought the rear end was kinda loose at speed over an unlevel road. It seemed like it floated too much for my taste. A sway bar modification may be just the ticket to correct that. Should be easy to install yurself.
I am going to retest drive one and ask the service department about it.
O.K., SO IM PARANOID! (but that doesn't mean everyone's
NOT out to get me!)
P.S. Still loving my Azera!
BTW my Elantra wagon is like that, if the door locks are unlocked the back is unlocked too.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
With a 20-inch swaybar DIAMETER, I'd need to jack up the car like a 4x4 Super Duty just to fit that sewer pipe under the car.
Glad you agree on the underlying point, though. Honestly, I'd be happy if an Addco, a Comptech or Suspension Techniques stepped up with this item. I don't want stiffer spring rates, just a little flatter cornering and quicker steering. Hope they're reading this.
less than 4000 units;which puts on target to sell less
than 25000 units through this model year.
This certainly cant be encouraging news for Hyundai
nor for prospective buyers!Go to Autoline.com for John
McElory's take on the Azera