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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yes a GATSO/ Gatford. Bizarre car. Built of aluminum, like a plane fuselage, and fitted with a Mercury flathead. Can't find out how many they made, but " a few". Top speed was alleged to be 112 mph, with overdrive in all 3 gears.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Even Motorbase doesn't say how many were built and they usually have that info.
    Reading between the lines I'd guess that at most a couple of dozen were made from '46-'51.

    More on the Gatso.

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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Would the gray thing be an early Moskvitch (Opel Kadett clone)?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My old boss had one.

    One Chrysler exec said:

    Too square, too narrow, with buyers too old to notice

    No wonder they started driving Acuras.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Would the gray thing be an early Moskvitch (Opel Kadett clone)?

    Oh, you are good, it's a 1952 Moskvitch 400, and it is indeed a copy of a 1930s Opel Kadette.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994

    Oh, you are good,


    Aw, shucks. Thanks.
  • ghuletghulet Member Posts: 2,564
    I'm guessing 1959-60 Dodge (loved the MoPar swivel seats of that era). I love old, illustrated car ads/brochures.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Swivel seats were common on 1930s era Hudson...they moved toward you as you opened the door, of course.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Right, you are Ghulet, it's a 1959 Dodge Custom Royal

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
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  • stephen987stephen987 Member Posts: 1,994
    Mid-'50s Alfa Romeo 1900C?
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Mid-'50s Alfa Romeo 1900C?

    Well, close enough it's a rare Boano-bodied 1957 Alfa-Romeo 1900 Primavera.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
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  • au1994au1994 Member Posts: 3,712
    Audi A2??

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  • mohatumohatu Member Posts: 21
    Yep, a copy of the '37 Kadett. The whole plant was brought over to the USSR from Germany after WWII and was churning these. As a kid, I remember a lot of these on the streets, they were still pretty common even in the early-mid 70s.

    BTW, speaking about the Gazelle - it is a name of the Russian-made van, very common there now, it has passenger, cargo and truck versions.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Nope, sorry, it's the original version of the A3 in two-door UK-spec form.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,678
    Pontiac 1953 Catalina

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Pontiac 1953 Catalina

    It's definitely a '53 Pontiac, even if Jalopnik has it mis-captioned as a '52 (not!). I doubt it is a Catalina which I think was a subset of the Chieftain and back then (IIRC) Catalina=Hardtop.

    The pictured car is a low-end two-door model lacking side chrome, I don't know what they called low-line ponchos back then but I'll bet we're looking at one. If you're wondering what the side script says, it's no help, it simply reads Pontiac.

    FYI, this is a typical '53 Catalina Chieftain.

    I have to confess to knowing very little about '53 Ponchos even though my family acquired a new one when I was ten. I think it was a 4-door/4-post Chieftain.
    It seemed pretty exciting and cool at the time but in retrospect mid-50s
    Pontiacs were pretty dowdy. ;)

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,190
    I think that is a pretty good-looking sled for 1953.... (not that I was there..)

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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    1953 Pontiac Chieftan Special.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Regarded as an "old lady's car" at that time.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,678
    The Pontiac picture has bugged me. The side chrome (little as there is!) doesn't quite look like "Pontiac" in the picture. I searched and found two exemplars of a 53 with only that chrome accent; most have more chrome.

    I found pictures claiming the name Chieftain and Catalina. To me the script on the picture looks like "Catalina." I think the blue picture below supports that.

    I believe this car is really a stripper. I wonder if it was a businessman's special car. I have seen a few businessman's coupes from a little later in the 50 at car shows.

    I find the names used here intriguing to try to figure out.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I believe this car is really a stripper.

    Hertz has been around since 1918 - maybe it was made for their rental fleet. :)
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,678
    >made for their rental fleet

    Yup. That way people could judge all the well-equipped Pontiacs as being the same as the stripper model and inferior to the then few imports? :P ;)

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The Chieftain Special Six was the stripper I think, and the Chieftain Deluxe Six had the chrome strips. MSRP about $2000 bucks.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Go here and click on "Full Size" and you can clearly see that the script on the side simply reads "Pontiac".

    Again I think the reason you've seen pictures claiming the name Chieftain and Catalina
    is that the Catalina was the name for the pillarless Hardtop version of the Catalina. I couldn't find any pillared coupes labelled as Catalinas.

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  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    WAYYY TOO BIGG
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    :blush:

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,678
    Thanks for the picture and info both mr_shiftright and andys120.

    I had found this poster for 1953
    http://www.mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B37897-2.jpg

    Described as having these model pictures

    Folder opens to 23x36 layout with photo renderings of Pontiac Chieftain DeLuxe 2- and 4-Door Sedans, Convertible and Station Wagon; Chieftain Special 2- and 4-Door Sedans; Custom Catalina; and Deluxe Catalina

    posted on this site

    http://www.mclellansautomotive.com/lit/bymake/pontiac/index-6.shtml

    So the Catalina name was only for the hardtops shown on the right hand side and the stripped models were Chieftains, probably the Chieftain Special 2 and 4 door sedans listed in the text.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I have dual monitors going and the pic wouldn't even fit here. :D

    Sorry, had to zap that one.

    We mentioned the edit the pic url trick, right? Insert height=400 width=600 before the right bracket should do the trick.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I think you got that right, yes, from what I can tell from my own resource material.

    There were both 6 cyl and 8 cyl. cars available.

    I'd love to have that steel wagon.
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,229
    I'm with you, lostwrench, on the Pontiac - the description of the 1953 Chieftain in the "Standard Catalog of American Cars'" says;

    "Chieftain line.... Standard models were now called Specials, and came with small hubcaps, rubber gravel guards, straight upper beltline trim and short arrow-shaped side trim. Deluxe Chieftains had long 'dual streak' body mouldings....".etc.

    What we have here, therefore, as you say, is a Special, and you can actually see the rubber gravel guard on the rear wing, while the arrow shaped trim is also still there.

    The Special was available two or four door, and I think this two door had a factory price of $2015. given it has lasted well, it was a good buy for someone, and it's nice to see the base model surviving - as usually the top of the range cars will survive in higher proportions than the base or fleet models..
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The base models are often scavenged for parts for the top range cars. So even though (in most cases) far far more base models were made, they are often the most rare today.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
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  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,400
    2010 Boxster Spyder.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    2010 Boxster Spyder

    Yup, supposedly the new lightweight version of the Boxster. Wonder why they didn't call it the "Speedster"?

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    1965 Chevy Malibu.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Yup, it's not apparent from the photo but that's a RHD version, manufactured and sold in the Union of South Africa.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    You know what the make is, but do you recognize the exact type?>

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  • wgraferwgrafer Member Posts: 592
    Porsche 356. "Exact type" (OK, maybe some other letters...)
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Take a good look Porsche-philes and supply the letters that come after 356.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well the lousy photo and the front bra make things difficult but I'm gonna guess it's a T5 roadster (356B)
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    Yup that's good, as far as it goes. It is a 356B Roadster but it's also a particularly rare one, take a good look at the windshield frame. ;)

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,670
    My bad, the pictured car is not a T5/356B. It is in fact a late variant of the 356A, one of the most desireable 356 Roadsters IMO.

    To make up for my Boo-boo, here's a good picture of a different example with the top up>

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Ah well now I can see the front running lights, shape of the front bumper and details of the hub caps.

    I was going solely on the spear on the side (roadster) and the dim view of the bumper over-rides.

    I think in terms of desirability/value, the 356B twin-grille roadster is the "hot one" these days.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Here's a local replica maker who always has a bunch of replicas (I assume) parked in front of the shop:

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