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I am certainly one of those "who complain" about my Honda Civic. I probably wont continue to complain as it seems there isn't any point doing so: I have been had! Perhaps sometime in the future Honda will be forced to at least publish their own test m.p.g. and be held accountable. Or at least be limited in the language they are allowed to use in describing the Civic as an "economy car". Dissatisfied Honda Civic owners like myself seem to have no recourse as there "Isn't anything mechanically wrong with your car". In the meantime Honda gets to take over market lead by false advertising. By the way is this just a site for those that want to sing Honda's praises?
All I can do it seems is to vote next time with my wallet and to tell everyone who will listen about my lousy experience with Honda. KennethR
I STILL CANNOT BELIEVE that if you take an 06 or 07 out on the highway, drive steadily at 65 mph that you can't get at least 38. That just doesn't make any sense.
YMMV.
PS what does SWAG mean?
yes, and when they do, every single auto manufacturer will have to be doing the same thing.
Again, they already do. That is why I mention folks should read their own new car sticker (Honda or otherwise) that comes with every new car. Or read the so called fine print on cars that you actually ARE considering. It IS already there!!??
On a ..."2004 Civic EPA of 29 City / 38 Highway, the actual mileage... City: 24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34. Highway: 32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44, Compact between 13-48 city and 19 to 51 highway."...
Again, its a honda thread.
Certainly some may feel they are not getting the economy they expected. We'll be glad to discuss tips for improving the economy, but there is no reason to accuse anyone here of - essentially - being dishonest.
Averaging close to 39 MPG with A/C on, hilly terrain, and speeds above 70 MPH is very good, especially with the downshifting from the cruise control.
Your mileage sounds normal to me. Enjoy your Civic!
I just got back from Las Vegas, and the return leg was 50 mpg on a Jetta TDI. I probably could have gotten 52-54 mpg if I used the left lane more.?!
over 13.5k miles my average mileage is 37.1 mpg and has stayed there for the past month or so.
sorry you didn't get one of the experimental motors too...
Yeah, I guess one COULD get 43+ if he/she chose to creep the slow lane at 50 or 55 mph but watch the rear view very carefully for those Peterbuilts running at 70-75+ mph they close quickly at that speed differential. "What great fuel economy" could be on your very own tombstone.
I maintain you will NOT get 43mpg in a Civic driven at a normal semi-safe speed on any highway in America where traffic flows at 70-75 mph on up.
Longer trip highway speeds at 80-95 yields higher 30's. This was with two different drivers.
link --> http://www.edmunds.com/advice/fueleconomy/articles/119812/article.html
Driven in the old testing manner, you'll get the same numbers. Driven the way the new tests are done, you'll get those type of numbers.
You don't have to be so accusatory just because your results/driving style don't match others'.
But I have said (38-42 mpg daily commute) with a 2004 Civic in a few past posts. Will the 2008 Civic ratings change what I have gottenon the 2004?
(No, of course not)
So what about MPG RANGE do you NOT understand!!??
(see my past posts about new car sticker posting of RANGE)
Are you speaking of wind resistance to explain why I DO get high 30's? Same principle of wind resistance that works on your Honda Civic works on my Honda Civic!!??
But it would seem that more wind, i.e., hot air, is blowing my way than yours!
I am not the one casting aspersions on your intellect.
I have previously posted the Jetta TDI mpg, repeating it will probably serve no purpose.
Agree with grad; calling people flat our liars is not going to get you much praise. Unless you make it a point to travel every day with ever civic owner and calculate their milage with them....you can't call them liars.(i could do the same and call out all the 'bad mileage civic owners' and ask them to come clean about how they may be flooring it all the time, drive for 5 miles a day and have the a/c blasting all the time. :P )
I wont get into epa testing procedures, i know how they are done thanks, so i'll just give some more real world experience AGAIN;
26-28 in the city, 36-38 on the highway.
I had my civic for a year, when me and my wife were still engaged, and she lived almost 3 hours away. I'd see her every weekend and drove over there QUITE often. I never saw anything below 36mpg and averaged REGULARLY 38 with mild a/c in about 70 degree weather.
So my ratings of 28/38 are on par with the old epas numbers (30/40) and with the new ones:
25/36.
I've encountered a similar scenario with my rabbit.
I average highway driving about 27 mpg. The old epa's numbers are 22/30, the new ones are 19/28.
I'm right on par with it.
Just because you are on the lower end of the mileage spectrum doesn't mean that your civic is doing anything wrong.
Geez. Lets get over it people.
I got 62 mpg on the Jetta TDI,for ONE fill up. Watching paint dry was like watching a blood sport in comparison. It also leaves one exposed to road hypnosis. I would not recommend it, but it is do able.
To sum it up, yes there are a plethora of variables, all working at once and differently at almost all times. But really, that is not what we are talking about, as you probably would agree.
One very small example is there are literally over a dozen unleaded regular fuel blends. In turn this is just ONE variable, that can and does cause differences.
So with variables in mind, that is why I post a range when I say I get 38-42 mpg in the "same" daily commute. This is NO guarantee that even I would get the same, the next tank full or whatever, let alone someone else. Hopefully it is used in the spirit it was offered, so one can adapt it to their own driving situation. (and not also)
While that would be a reasonable hypothesis, it is not true in my case. The roads traveled are considered the worst in the whole NATION, as rated by traffic folks. My sotp is we are as congested (lower speeds) as LA during rush hours. Indeed LA traffic moves at higher speeds. The place is a rolling parking lot or a parking lot that rolls during RUSH hour. The commute is so called "flat" as it is at most 50 feet above sea level. But at the same time would you consider "flat" flat at 4,000 feet?
No I think you see it. Yup, it is very simple. You said it in a past post and I agreed with you. You say it again in this post and why do you think I now disagree with you!? Let me SWAG that using your example of 60 mph rather than higher, I would probably get more like 56-62 mpg. I obviously got less at the higher speed; 50 mpg.
So you are probably wondering why I am talking of a TDI rather than the 2004 Honda Civic? Well at those speeds, I would only get MAX high 30's rather than 50 mpg . See I agree with you, the Civic IS a gas guzzler!!!