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I would like your info on the Palm Springs dealer.
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Unfortunately, you are probably going to end up taking a huge depreciation hit by selling your Lancer so soon. At least it seems as though you did not lease it. If you had, it would be very, very expensive to get out of your lease so soon.
It is never a good idea to make a large down payment when leasing. Consumers who make them risk losing them if their vehicle is totaled in an accident or stolen and never recovered. In this situation though, you may end up having to put money down to cover your negative equity if you have a loan on your Lancer.
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Let me begin by saying that there's nothing wrong with trading in your current car when leasing a new one, but if you decide to do so it would be in your best interest to have the dealer that you are working with cut you a check for your Accord rather than using the proceeds from it as a down payment for your lease. I always advise consumers against making down payments on leases. Those who do risk losing them if their vehicle is totaled in an accident or stolen and never recovered.
$750 over invoice is a good selling price to shoot for. That would be a pretty good deal on this car. Negotiate the lowest selling price that you can on it and then have the dealer calculate your monthly payment using BMW Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor of .00175.
I will calculate a lease payment on this car for you to give you an idea of what sort of payment to expect. If you were tot lease a 2007 BMW 328xi with an MSRP of $38,795 and a selling price of $36,080 ($750 over invoice) through BMW FS right now for 36 months with 15,000 miles per year, your zero down, pre-tax monthly payment should be around $450.
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P.S. You would be better off if you don't make any capitalized cost reduction when leasing.
The salesman is telling me that since he's discounted the car show much--AND thrown in the BMW mats, he's got to markup the MF. I've protested, but so far, no luck. This is the 5th dealer I've worked with in an attempt to get a car. His price is fair--MF not. Two other dealers did not markup the MF--one made up the difference in the selling price and wouldn't budge--the other was my local dealer who made a deal with me--then apparently didn't like the deal and backed out-even with a deposit, signed, sealed, etc.. They've offered to make it up to me--but I'm done even attempting to do business with them.
The other dealers all marked up the MF the BMW max. of .0004-and actually laughed when I asked for the base rate. Maybe it's the southeast region--maybe there's not as much competition--but I am having a heck of a time buying a car!
Thanks very much for your input--I am going to make one more stab at this thing--try to get a car--and get the base MF rate.
You mentioned frequently that the money factors you were using are valid through midnight tonight. When you can, I'd appreciate hearing what they'll be, going forward, particularly on the 3-series sport wagon (RWD, if it matters).
TIA.
selling price $37,965
taxes,fees & dues: $1,760.55
trade in ($1,641.23)
Gross Capitalized cost: $41,366.78
Capitalized cost Reduction: $1,924.83
lease 36 months/12,000 miles
down payment $2,500
monthly payment w/ tax $575.17
residual: 60%
sec. deposit waived
please help
Thank You
10m6905,
There is too much information missing to evaluate intelligently. The first thing I notice is a down payment of 2500, yet the cap cost reduction is only 1924.83. This doesn't make any sense. Down payment is included in the cap reduction and is considered to be a capitalized cost reduction. It does not include items that you would pay at lease signing like a license/title/registration fee. People often confuse the term down payment and use it incorrectly to include items that are paid at lease signing.
What vehicle are you considering? What is its MSRP? What is your sales tax rate and in which state do you reside? I have no clue what taxes, fees, and dues amounting to 1760.55 consists of... can you itemize these? What is the money factor? Any acquisition fee? If so, how much?
If you can provide this info, I'll be in a much better position to navigate my way to an answer.
Texas is the worst of all scenarious. The lease of your car is treated as a sale of the car by the dealership to the leasing company (who in turn leases car to you). The dealership has to pay state sales tax of 6.25% on the entire capitalized cost (i.e., sales price). The sales tax is passed-on in full to the lessee. It is not possible to avoid payment of this sales tax -- no dealership will lease to you otherwise.
Also if you buy the car off-lease, you again have to pay tax on the residual price (because it is considered your purchase of the car from the leasing company).
However, most states don't require the dealer to pay sales tax on the transaction like Texas. Most states just require taxes on the monthly payment (i.e., amortization of depreciated amount and interest on residual).
The bottom line is being prepared also means researching your state tax laws for vehicle leasing.
I'm personally choosing between the Z4 (more within my price range) or the 335 hardtop convertible, which I bet will be about $10K more when it comes out. Any advice on why you might prefer either car?
Thanks for all the posts you put out -- I can see why many people turn to this site ... awesome info and input!
here is the addition info:
2007 328i coupe-jet black w/leatherette interior,steptronic transmission & tire & wheel protection.
Dallas,TX
Texas Tax Rate: 6.25%
MSRP: $37,270+695=$37,965.00 tire & wheel protection(695.00)
Selling Price: $37,965.00
taxes,fees & dues:
state sales tax: $751.25
Dealer Doc fee: $50.00
Vehicle Inspection fee: $25.50
License/title fees: $93.80
Road & Bridge/Deputy fee: $15.00
Acquistion fee: $825.00
total :$1,760.55
Trade in 04 525i (leased with BMW leased end April 8, 07) with 40,000 miles
trade in allowance: $25,250.00
Balance owed on trade in: $26,891.23
lease balance: ($1,641.23)
gross capitalized cost: $41,366.78=37,965.00+1,760.55+1641.23
less cap cost reduction: $1,924.83
adj cap cost: $39,441.95
Less residual value: $22,410.00
=dep & amortized amt: $17,031.95
add rent charge: $3,674.17
=total base monthly pmt: $20,706.12
lease 36 months/ 12,000 miles
monthly payment: $575.17
allocation of $2,500 down payment:
cap cost reduction $1,924.83+575.17 1st payment
Please help
Just want you to know that I'll have an answer for you late this evening. Today is my day to teach young impressionable college students. Wish me luck.
Good day
John
I would just build the car you want on Edmunds take a screen shot of that, and send him a note asking to do 500 over invoice. He sent back no problem, and I requested for him to document every fee, and with out haggle he sent back and everything was BMW standards with nothing marked up. This is April now so BMW may have changed the numbers, don't know yet.
Thanks,
Will
This is NOT a good deal, I got more options on my 328i coupe with 0 down, 0 trade-in, and I pay w/tax 569/mth.
$ 551.82 per month
With $ 2950.40 total out of pocket
Money factor used 0.00140
Residual 60%
30 month lease
$559.91 per month/total out of pocket $2701.52
Residual used 66%
This reflects
36 months/10k miles
Taxes upfront
Security deposit waived
1st month’s payment
All inception and the $ 625 bank fee
M.S.R.P.
$43,375.00
Cost to me $ $42,440.00
I'm going to put the taxes in the lease, and it seems like the payment is high...this is in New York...what does everyone think?
keep shopping?
thanks a lot !
Looks as though all the numbers you provided are square. However, I do have some comments...
(1) The selling price appears too high. However, I must admit that I don't have a good feel for the 328i market in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area. Despite this, I think you need to lower the sell price by around $2,100. From what I've read, a $2100 discount off the MSRP seems very reasonable.
(2) What is tire and wheel protection that costs $695? Is that really necessary?
(3) The $825 acquisition fee looks highly inflated by about $200. You might want to double check this fee.
(4) You didn't provide the money factor but I calculated it at 0.00165 which equates to about 3.96%. This seems reasonable given that your security deposit has been waived.
(5) I get an MSRP of 37,350. Not only does this agree with edmunds, it apparently was used to compute the residual (60% x 37350 = 22410).
(6) I'm curious as to why you're trading your 525i. Is that your best option? What's the advantage besides the $1578 sales tax credit? Are you terminating your 525i lease early? My guess is that you're not but, if you are, then I'm concerned about the lease balance owing and would like to investigate further. Fund providers don't always compute lease balances correctly. Seems that this is becoming a habit and habits have a way of turning into policy.
Keep me posted.
Best,
John
Also, you get damaged wheels restored to new at less than $100 each. And most replacement tires cost no more than $100 each installed. No reason to pay $695 tire and wheel protection--just absolute pure profit for the dealership.
in the Bay Area most dealers won't even budge off MSRP.
I have the following deal
36mo/12K lease
335i Coupe
SportPackage
Steptronic Trans
Paddle Shifters
MSRP $44525
INVOICE $41520
Negotiated $43525 ($2005 over invoice or $1000 under MSRP)
$0 Down
$5600 Max MSD (7SD + 1SD required for first time buyer)
MF 0.0017(Base) + 0.0004 (max dealer markup 0.0004 - no negotiation here) -0.00049 (7 MSD) = 0.00161
Residual 60%
Monthly = $650.71 (incl Sales Tax)
I have put down a deposit and got a production number, I know deals are dependent on geographic region and sales tax
Just wanted some opinions, even though I have dropped a deposit I can still bail and get the deposit back since it's refundable right?
Here are the answers to your questions:
1. BMW of Dallas would not lower much less offer a discount on the 3 series coupes. Discounts were available on other models but I am interested only in the coupe.
2. All 3 series come with run flat tires therefore, the dealership highly recommend the tire & wheel protection. This provides coverage for the full lease term such as replacement of all tires due to wear & tear or flats. They stated if a tire has a nail it must be replace & cannot be repaired. The cost per tire is about $380.00 so I figured this would be a good thing.
3.I know the $825 acquisition fee is high & I brought that to their attention but they would not lower this fee.
4.Every 3 years I lease a BMW. My lease on the 525i ends April 8. All lease payments were paid with the exception of the balance owned which is $26,891.23. The allowance/value of the car was $25,250.00 & according to the Kelly Blue Book the car fell in the good condition category with a price of $25,590 so I figured that number was reasonable given the car would definitly require re-condition before it is place on the lot.
If you need any additional info let me know.
Thanks John
has anyone re-leased their bmw for another 2 or 3 year term???? what was your experience?
I have yet to contact BMW to ask any questions about the process....not even sure if it is an available option
Thanks for the info. Do you have an established relationship with this particular dealership? I would visit one or two other dealers. The sell price and acquisition fee seems way out of line to me. However, perhaps the demand is very strong for the 328 coupe and is the reason why the dealer can get full pop. Certainly, though, they can reduce the acquisition fee by $200. I sense greed on the part of this dealer. I'd go shopping elsewhere.
John
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Looking to lease a 328xi Coupe with Premium and Cold Weather Package in New Jersey (MSRP 43,000) - What should I expect to pay for a 36/12k lease for this vehicle? How much total upfront? What is the current residual and money factor for this car/lease?
Thanks so much for your help.
John
I Think you're paying a little too much...Keep shopping is my advice. Try atleast 3 dealerships to compare prices and make sure have it in writing each time they give you a quote. Remember, deal from invoice up, not MSRP. Also, have 0 out of pocket except your first month and registration fee. Don't be afraid to squeeze the milage if you have to. Every $100 they lower on the car, you will save $5 bucks a month. Good Lcuk dude.
First off, let me graciously thank all of you for your contributions to this forum. The information has been invaluable!
I am ready to start making some offers on an 328i and the only information I am missing is the new April MF for 36 months/12k miles. I talked to a dealer today and he told me they went up to .00195 but he could get it down to .0018 with a security deposit. If he's doing his max allowed mark up (.0004), I'm assuming the new rate is between .0014 and .0015.
Last thing...he tried telling me the bank fee went up to $825 but we all know that's not true ;-). I'll let him think he has me on that one for right now...
Thanks again for the help!
I live in Los Angeles and I want to lease a 2007 328 coupe and need some advise on the lease deal. Here are the details.
2007 328 Coupe
Blk/Blk
Premium Package
Sport Package
Automatic
Comfort Access
MSRP $42,100
Invoice $38,785
$0 Down
No Trade
Excellent Credit
I'm really confused about the money factor and security deposit stuff.
Please help..What kind of a deal should I propose to a dealer?
Thanks,
Sharon
Mark in Phoenix
MSRP $42200 Invoice $38850
Paid $39822
Down $274
No security deposit
Residual Value $26472
Only paid $1230 out the door, which included first month payment
Payments are $527 (incl. sales tax)
Options included: auto, navigation, sport pkg, premium pkg, xenon lights. They even threw in free floor mats.
I think I got a good deal.
I was wondering if you could let me know what dealer you got that deal from. I went to a dealer near where I live and they wouldn't go below .0016 on the MF.
Thanks