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The truck line-up might be something like this:
Toyota Tacoma (midsize)
Toyota Tundra ( 1/2 ton)
Toyota Tiberius or Torrent ( 3/4 ton)
Toyota Titan or Torque ( 1 ton)
(justtheone) my have the upper hand in the heavy duty pickup argument for now, but watch out, true competition is just a few tax returns away.
My 1500 Z71 will still be more heavy duty than one of those
Ryan
oh, and for all - to clear up the mystery, nobody ever specifically compared the tundra to the big 3 3/4 and 1 tons...bama just said that tundra was a "real heavy duty truck". i think it got a little lost from there, as the big 3 offer "heavy" and "super" duty trucks...fwiw.
robbie...i'm guessing you too prob'ly have rust somewheres under your mighty tundra. point being...you rapidly hopped from frame to universal and springs. didn't see any on the frame there, eh?
bco
"reports 1500 and 2500 seperately."
bco
Them yuppies just aint gettin it now. Them big3 ones be built for workin and lastin! Hope that next fad be gettin here quicker, set them yuppies off chasin that next fad. Sure hope that next fad aint them tractors now! Good luck on this one now!
Hope this aint true now! Good luck on this one now!
Of Course, it is 22 years old with almost 400,000 miles on it. Driven on the beach in Oregon and the salted roads of Spokane, Wa during winter.
The Tundra still hasn't started up any rust like your "perfect" Shakerado and they don't even put that wax coating on the frame like chevy has to!
Toyota Tacoma Double Cab just beat the Chevy/GM diesel duramax as 4X4 of the year. HA! HA! HA! ROTFLMFAO....Chevy's premiere truck was a close second place to the Tacoma Double Cab.
Guess those cheesey big rig wannabee lights on top of the chevy cab didn't impress the drivers as much as chev marketing hoped they would.
I bet you voted Gore too?
...figures...
- Tim
I am buying a Nissan Crew Cab.
No thanks Toyota! Keep your trucks and take a hike! I want reliable, repairable and to be able to buy aftermarket parts.
DUH!!!
Try against RWELL when you get a comparison that actually is a relevant one.
Ryan
Them yuppies aint got the knowin of them words Ryan. Them that chase that fad be doin it cuz of that shine, or cuz some magazine gave a tell on it now. Them forien ones aint built too hold up too any kinda work. If ya work them tundra ones they break quick. Ya cant learn no yuppie these things, cuz it aint writ down in no magazine tell now! Good luck on this one now!
as for the tacoma double cab and chevy hd's...ok, so a 4x4 magazine (conspicuously not named herein) prefers the tacoma to a heavy duty truck. wow, there's a revelation. how many folks out there have "must be able to pull a 15k lb trailer" on their list of requirements for their trucks? i mean, how ridiculous to compare them. that's like saying that RV World magazine selected chevy hd's over toyota tacoma as TOTY. duh. robbie, what's happened to you?
bco
Since the Tundra is basically the same vehicle, does it have the same limitations?
The GM lovers chant "Just wait till next year, chevy will get all the bugs worked out and Toyota will be in trouble". They say this year after year.
pretty weak then I think.
I guess it's time for me to read that manual. Been almost 8000mi on the truck, time for me to know what it is all about.
Good thing my friends don't weigh in tonage, only in several hundred pounds!
The Sequoia has a completely different frame and rear supension than the Tundra. The rear suspension of the Sequoia is independent. The wheelbase is 10 inches shorter. The only body stamping which is the same is the hood.
bco
If you don't believe that the 45 mph limit is in the owners manual, go read it. That is where the sequoia boys found it(just ask cliffy, he's seen it).
Ouch.....can't deny it if Toyota prints it themselves!
Sequoia 2wd Limited, and were surprised to read
1)Towing not recommended until after 2000 mile break-in period
2)When towing "do not exceed 45mph."
3)sway control device necessary for towing over
2000 pounds
None of these issues were mentioned by our dealer, who knew that we were buying the Sequoia as a tow vehicle for appx. 5000# horse-trailer.
justtheone, don't fall out of your chair laughing on this one, because I think they just got stung
Good luck on this one now
So far the rubber bands that attach the U-Haul trailers I rent have held up.
When towing "do not exceed 45mph."
Sway control device "necessary" for towing over
2000 pounds.
Facts is gettin out on them ones now! Guessin they aint as "HD" like them yuppies been tellin! Good luck on this one now!
Some folks with 2001 limited ones that be shakin. Guessin that factory aint never goin figure that one out now! Good luck on this one now!
At first I pictured you as a "Will Stockdale" type, you know, from the 1958 movie "No time for Sargeants",but then I thought , hey to each his own.
The truth of the matter is, that I have to agree with most of your assessments and observations on the Toyota pickups. I have looked and compared with my own eyes and the Big 3 are definitely built with longevity in mind.
Don't misunderstand me, you have not quite converted me against Toyota products, especially since I owned and drove a Toyota mini pickup for 9years and 97,000 miles. I used and abused that little truck more then I care to admit and I must say that that little "bugger" held up just fine.
The only rust on it when I sold it in January, was a little bit on the windshield wiper arms.
I don't consider myself a Yuppie chasing after all the new fads and shiny pickups, but I do put some "stock" in such things as peoples past ownership experiences and even magazines like Consumer reports. I don't take them as Gospel, but before I spend 30,000 on something, I at least
want to read up on the thing first and then have a look. I usually end up knowing more about the vehicle then the salesman who's trying to peddle it off to me.
Should the Tundra be compared to the Big 3, probably not, but I believe that it will fill a certain market niche for those that require only light hauling and towing.
More then likely my next truck will be a F-150 supercrew, because I think it will fit my needs.
I must admit that the Consumer report ratings of the recent GM trucks has spooked me away from even looking at them. This is a simple case of me not personally knowing anyone who owns a newer GM truck, so the only source that I have to go off of is what I read, which hasn't been very good.
I just don't feel like gambling with my hard earned sweat wages.
Anyways, thanks for being the "salt" of this topic
and no pun intended.
i have been driving for over 30 years. i have owned several ford trucks and several chevys, and one dodge. in the early eighties i started buying toyotas. i have had five toyota trucks. the 1985 toyota one ton had a towing capacity of 5000# and a payload of 2425#. i traded that truck to a close friend. it now has over 400,000 miles on it. i weight a lot now. i like the tundra (my sixth toyota) and it will tow 5000# without any extra or special addons. with the special towing package, it will tow 8000#. the five other toyota trucks gave me over 100,000 miles each with no major repairs. the most expensive problem i have had was a water pump replacement at 123,000 miles on a 1989 long bed.
why did i switch and stick with the toyotas? each and every one of my big 3 trucks required more for repairs (EACH) under 100,000 miles than ALL of my toyotas combined.
when in doubt, go with a good track record!!!
while it is true that i have not been getting LIMITED editions, my trucks, and myself are certainly NOT in the yuppie catagory.