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In order for better brand differentiation between Ford and Lincoln, you would think this makes sense. Comments?
Ford's 3.7L will debut with the MKS next summer so it's only a few months behind.
Mazda can be quicker than Ford to pull a project to Job 1 because it is not going through all of Ford's bureaucracy in designing and executing a product. But I hear Ford is working on getting things to market more quickly too.
The armrests on the MKX look like flat slabs of hard plastic. How comfortable are they? Is the hand grip in the armrest a place where one's elbow could fall in?
Thanks.
I mean, it seems like the same gas mileage, but with HID headlights and a third row seat thrown in for the same price. Not to mention we like the Acura's green color better than the MKX's choices.
But, I wanted to make sure. Figured you guys were the owners and salesmen of these. What am I missing?
* day time running lights didn't work on delivery
* Front seats with A/C and heating is cool; but very uncomfortable
* Headrests on front seats are terrible; they lean forward and push your head
* Ride and steering are excellent
* Backseat room is excellent
* Too bad it's just like the Ford Edge; Lincoln should have not allowed that copycat
* Gas milage is less than tested (what a suprise); we get about 19mpg
* Pickup is excellent
* Stereo is excellent however, auto volume control does not work (headed back to shop)
* Car was delivered with less than excellent finish had to return to dealership for buffout; then returned again because front windshield was oversprayed
Overall; good vehicle. Overpriced on window but deals can befound as you will see in these forums.
Car purchased at Driver Village; North Syracuse.
DRLs are available to fleet buyers so a preowned might have them.
I've already posted about the headrests. You really just need to recline the seat back a little then tip the seat bottom forwards/down. Just twist the seat control toward the front of the vehicle. This will change the geometry so that the head rest is not hitting your head but you are still in a reasonablely upright position.
I agree though that the butt cushion is less comfortable than he Edge. But then the Edge doesn't have A/C in the seats.
Mark
* day time running lights
I agree with mschmal's post on this point.
*Front seats with A/C and heating is cool; but very uncomfortable - - plus - - * Headrests on front seats are terrible; they lean forward and push your head
These items are very dependent upon your body size and shape - by contrast my wife and I find the seats to be very comfortable - plus A/C seats is something I never thought I would want, but have already gotten used to having, and the head rests - again no problem - in fact more comfortable than my prior vehicle.
* Ride and steering are excellent
* Backseat room is excellent
We agree fully with you on this one.
* Too bad it's just like the Ford Edge; Lincoln should have not allowed that copycat
In my opinion, this is an unfair statement. After all, a great number of crossover SUV's bear a striking resemblance no matter what make you select. Because of that great similarity, what is left to distinguish one from the other? - The front end. And no one can mistake a Lincoln MKX with a Ford Edge from the front. On top of that, the MKX distinguishes itself from just about every other crossover SUV with its attractive full vehicle width rear tail lights).
* Gas milage is less than tested (what a suprise); we get about 19mpg
By contrast, we took our first 6 hour hiway trip this past Sunday and got 21+ mpg
* Pickup is excellent Finally one item where I am less optimistic, because the V6 /transmission combo downshifts too easy for my taste - but then I am very likely spoiled because my prior SUV was a V8.
* Stereo is excellent however, auto volume control does not work (headed back to shop) Everthing works on our stereo.
* Car was delivered with less than excellent finish had to return to dealership for buffout; then returned again because front windshield was oversprayed
After personally handwashing our MKX 2 times in our first week, I can confidently say the finish on our MKX is perfect. There were some water spots when we got it but those came off in the first wash.
*Overall; good vehicle. Overpriced on window but deals can be found as you will see in these forums. By contrast, we feel that Overall Lincoln MKX is an EXCELLENT vehicle and not overpriced.
I understand the side profiles are identical on the fomoco products - but so are the Camry and ES350 (to my eyes) plus the front and rear are much more alike than the front and rear on the Edge and MKX.
I think the average consumer would not even know the Edge and MKX share a platform, much less side profiles. Just like most consumers don't know the 2003 Aviator and Explorer shared a platform and side profiles. They just don't pay attention like we do.
What an average consumer sees or doesn't see is also not the point. Until Ford cares enough to stop rationalizing their design shortcuts as acceptable because "no one will notice anyway," then they just do not get it. Some of us will notice that the emperor has no clothes, others will pick up on reputation (or lack of same for detail) and striving for excellence. The auto press will notice too. Cadillac is truly gaining in that regard.
It is one of those things that will pay off, like improved tactile feel of controls pays off, as more and more people begin to notice they can have those things for the same money.
I loved the Aviator concept. It looked exactly like a Lincoln CUV should look. That the MKX doesn't look much different from the concept is true, but therein lies the rub. The Aviator had Lincoln lines all around, not just in front. I am not the only one who was turned off by Ford's decision to use the Edge body panels instead (because after all, who will notice anyway?).
I won't buy a new Lincoln again until they stop doing that. I may buy a used one, since with their depreciation being what it is, they are a good buy whether exclusive or not.
Besides you - who has complained about this? I understand that's how you feel and that's fine but I can't imagine more than a mere handful of potential MKX buyers who feel this way. Certainly not enough to impact sales.
And yes, I get that to you it doesn't matter. And that's fine. But my question to you is why then do Toyota/Lexus and Nissan/Infinity and Buick/Saturn/GMC and VW/Audi (to name a few) bother with this level of detail? Are they not intelligent enough to realized that they could save these costs and not affect sales at all??
And why is Lincoln now pledging to not do this panel sharing anymore? Perhaps they also lost their minds--or fired too many bean counters.
I don't support making things different just to be different. I do support giving the designers more options by not forcing them to share body panels which is what I think you're really saying. So let's agree on that and move on.
I took issue with your insistance that "no one but you [me} notices these things." Designers and car companies of the world notice these things. Lincoln now notices these things. Thank God a lot of customers still don't.
What are you getting for that $8k? I think what people are trying to say is that Ford needs to do a better job justifing the extra dough. I think in the future, the 3.7L V6 will go a ways toward that.
The MKZ vs the Fusion. The extra 40 hp transforms the car.
Mark.
Anyway, Ford should not put the same engine in the Fusion and MKZ again, but to not give the Fusion the 3.5 to avoid that would be just another shot in the foot.
Wait a dang second...what MK message board am I on?? :P
If it doesn't there is a new version of the 3.0L tuned for 235 hp but better fuel mileage. It all has to do with the capacity of the engine plants to produce the 3.5L/3.7L.
Ford engines have been sabotaged by Bill Ford's green thumb. Bill demanded better emissions over power and fuel economy. That's no longer the case and if you look at the 08 Taurus you'll see that Ford is quickly catching up in that department.
Please let us know your thoughts after it has been installed in your MKX.. Shame on Lincoln for not including this as standard equipment. (SUV/CUV 101) ....
appearently they didn't provide for enough 6F trans production.
Mark.
Mine: MKX, Pewter, Ultimate package w/THX & Sirius Satellite Radio
* day time running lights didn't work on delivery
>> Not an option on the MKX
* Front seats with A/C and heating is cool; but very uncomfortable
>> Seats are very comfortable for me. Just a little firm in the actual seating area. Fine with me..
* Headrests on front seats are terrible; they lean forward and push your head
>> Haven’t encountered any problems. I’m approx 5’10”
* Ride and steering are excellent
>> Agreed.. I was actually very surprised at how nice a ride Even after test driving it 3 times and now putting approx 900 miles on it.
* Backseat room is excellent
>> Haven’t ridden in mine yet but certainly looks spacious.
* Too bad it's just like the Ford Edge; Lincoln should have not allowed that copycat
>> So what? . I like the MKX very much I didn’t even test drive the Edge because I did not like the interior..
* Gas mileage is less than tested (what a suprise); we get about 19mpg
>> Haven’t measured it. But I seem to be getting the same as my prior car, 2004 Grand Marquis. (v8 224hp)
* Pickup is excellent
>> I would say very good, not quite excellent.
* Stereo is excellent however, auto volume control does not work (headed back to shop)
>> Here I say excellent. No problems, yet
* Car was delivered with less than excellent finish had to return to dealership for buffout; then returned again because front windshield was oversprayed
>> looks fine to me..
Notes:
Standard equipment should have included:
>> Passenger Assist Handles for the front (at least the passenger seat)
>> Security Cargo Cover.
Plus:
>>> Lincoln needs to do something about their gauges. In some lighting you can’t read any of the gauges.
>>> I want a digital MPH readout which I had on my Grand Marquis. (I prefer digital dashboards)
>>> The flashing lights button is in a very bad place for the driver. Flashing lights should be quickly accessible and easy to locate without having to look for them.
More likes:
>>>> I think the adaptive lights are terrific Provides better visibility on dark winding roads.
>>>> Glad Lincoln didn’t make HID lights standard.
>>>> Nice touch Headlights come on when the Wipers are on. I had this on my Grand Marquis. Makes more sense to me than turning wipers on automatically when it’s raining. Hello I know when it’s raining.
>>>> Back up sensors work very well... Don't need visual display.
>>>> I love the understated and easily accessible to the driver dash. (Actually this seems to have been passed on from the Aviator)
>>>> MKX uses regular gas. I believe the competitors are all premium gas.
>>>>> I am very happy with my choice of the MKX My complaints are things I can live with.. I knew going in that this was a first generation CUV for Lincoln so I can’t really complain . And the price comes in well under the Lexus, MDX, BMW, etc. w/similar options..
>>>>>>Conclusion: Without a doubt I would buy it again and, I just might trade it in 3 years from now when (or if) Lincoln improves on some of the items I mentioned.
Overall; good vehicle. Overpriced on window but deals can befound as you will see in these forums.
Car purchased at Driver Village; North Syracuse.
"My complaints are things I can live with.. I knew going in that this was a first generation CUV for Lincoln so I can’t really complain ."
Thanks again.
Frankly, the professional reviews of the MKX haven't been that kind but I love it.
Lincolns usually have Michs or Pirellis.
Mark.
My review of my MKX is embedded within a response to another person that gave a review of their MKX ... Good luck ....
Frankly, the LaCrosse is woefully underpowered, and very weak as far as acceleration goes. Rented a Lucerne once, and it was very smooth and quiet, I have to say. However, I happen to agree with you that Buick does need to get back to their distinctive "look".
To fold down either of the seats, one unfastens the appropriate headrest band(s) and presses the seat-release button (or folds the seat manually). As long as at least one outer-headrest band is fastened, the cover is sturdy enough to maintain its flat surface and continue in cargo-cover mode. To fold both seats, the side and rear fasteners can be unattached and the cargo cover will collapse with the seats. Naturally, the whole thing can be removed; it folds easily and, though more awkward to remove than my previous retractable covers, does not have to be left behind because it is flexible--not attached to a bar.
The height of the cargo area it allows is its saving grace. I can't think of many times I will need to remove more than one or two headrest loops. It is just so different, I will need time to form an opinion...