Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    You are correct. I forgot to mention that it cost me $1,700 for the BtoB warranty. The company is Continental.

    The Air Bag sensor is not covered so the $600 was my cost for that repair. We were skeptical a sensor would fail on the same day visit for another problem. Paranoia?

    Total cost for me to drive it past the 3-year MFG warranty is $2,300. Total repair bill for the truck from inception is $3,600. $3,000 warranty paid, $600 I paid. The warranty is 70K, 7 years so it expires 10/09.

    Regards,
    OW
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Are you sure you didn't mean a 1969 Buick Skylark? The Regal didn't debut until 1973. Anyway, a Special Deluxe is a plainer version of the Skylark. Mine was a 6-passenger station wagon with a 350 V-8 w/2bbl carb. I later gave it to my brother who ran it until 1992. Just saw the movie "American Gangster" on HBO a couple nights ago. In the beginning, a detective played by Russell Crowe and this other guy playing find $930,000 in the trunk of a 1965 Buick Special. Even as a plain-jane car with dog dish hubcaps and blackwall tires, I thought it was an attractive car.

    There's a young girl at my job who's only 23 and she bought a new red Dodge Charger Hemi! She's always talking about it and wants a Challenger.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    Oh, she'll get a choice if she has the cash!

    My thoughts exactly. While my oldest daughter has about 6 more years until she drives. She'll drive what I provide. If she doesn't like it, then she can use her feet. Granted I won't put her in a complete POS. I'll find something safe, reliable, fuel efficient, and inexpensive.

    As for your Denali, there must be some serious issues with GMs full sizers. My Suburban was the same way. By between 45k-65k miles, I racked up nearly $5k in repairs, not to mention all the squeaks and rattles. GM must have a patent on rattles.

    Now that didn't completely sour me on american metal as I bought an Expedition (We will see how this holds up). GM will have to knock one out of the park for me to give them anymore of my money.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    ...just bought a new white Chevrolet Tahoe hybrid. He previously had a Chevrolet Trailblazer. He also has a Corvette.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Correct, Skylark. Great car. 350, 2-bbl also. smoked the tires, easy since the anti-smog stuff wasn't even a glimmer back then.

    My real old girlfriend had a '66 Special. I really liked it although it had a lot of miles on it. Excellent cars in the '60's.

    Regards,
    OW
  • m1miatam1miata Member Posts: 4,551
    Parents buy the kids new cars ???

    Ah the good life of kids nowadays; money wise that is. I bought my own skate board, bikes, motorcycles and cars. My first new car was an Opel Manta Rallye '73 for say $3,150 out-the-door. Ya know, in retrospec, we paid too much for cars back when. The Olds98 Regency in 1987 was really overpriced -- what was I thinking. I got $2K off and it was still $18,000. Think of equipment and safety you get these days compared to back when! And the car was not reliable, durable, and had zero resale value.
  • m1miatam1miata Member Posts: 4,551
    He's livin' large! Corvettes and all !!!
  • wtd44wtd44 Member Posts: 1,208
    Most any car I buy, American or otherwise, tends to be the one that has zero resale value! :confuse:
  • jchevroletjchevrolet Member Posts: 30
    Glad to know this. My grandfather (and grandmother) only owed Buick's (until his most recent purchase when my Aunt talked him into purchasing that awful Eddie Baur Expedition..lol), My mother's first car was a Buick, as well as my two Aunts' first cars, and my first two cars were Buicks, a 1994 Buick Century and a 1996 Buick Park Avenue (which I loved). We have now ventured in another direction....I own a 2007 Silverado, one of my little brother's owns a 2007 Tahoe and a 2008 Silverado, the other owns a 1996 Cadillac Sedan Deville and a 2003 Cadillac CTS....Needless to say we are GM loyal....But the Kicker to all if this....my little sister owns a 2004 Acura... :-(

    You can't win them all!
    JChevy
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    I won't ever buy an American made care again? I wonder how many bias people have any idea how many foreign name brands are made here by US workers? The perception that foreign name brands are better made than American made vehicles shows how false impressions can sure fool people.

    Then again there are some Chevy crossovers with engines made in China! And we all know "made in China" means the only the very best of cheapest junk they can find goes into every product made for the USA.

    farout
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Continental, now I understand. I've always opted for

    Major Guard

    and have approached various dealers for quotes. One thing that I found really great about having a GM extended warranty was that I could select any GM dealership to work on my Chevy truck so I ended up using the same dealership I bought my Denali from. My Silverado was a work of art. Three failed rack and pinion, first at 1K miles third at 36K miles. Failed a/c compressor at 40K miles along with failed power window motors at 45K. Major guard bumper to bumper 0 deductible was worth it's weight in gold.

    Not so with my '02 Denali as I've had nothing go wrong since the 3/36 expired.

    I'd seriously consider Major Guard for your next GM vehicle. ;)
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Far out, indeed. I see you know everything about cars!

    Regards,
    OW
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    I'd seriously consider Major Guard for your next GM vehicle.

    I will do just that! Hope they stay in business until Hell Freezes Over! ;)

    Appreciate your feed back and glad the Denali stayed in one piece.

    Regards,
    OW
  • mbtomgmbtomg Member Posts: 2
    I was reading back on some of the posts here, and was reminded why I never wanted another GM car. My ex- bought a Pontiac that I litterally had to rebuild when it was new. The parking brake locked (incorrect installation) stopping at a store the day we bought it new! Dealer was amazed how they could mess it up. Radio didn't work at the same time, dealer discovered the harness for the various speakers was cut and randomly reconnected and shorted out! The next month we lowered the drivers window, and it fell into the door! The tale went on for over a year. I could tell the motor was a perfect one (luck?), so we kept at the dealer with our warranty book, and kept the car. It had 399,000+ the last I saw it.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    My ex- bought a Pontiac that I litterally had to rebuild when it was new.

    What Pontiac was it? Year, make and model?
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    I feel for you. My '97 GP GTP was great until 60K and then weird things kept happening. The engine was great, however. It's those annoying sub-par parts that kill the brand. I'll never understand the philosophy of the US manufacturers. Make it bulletproof and these perceptions would disappear.

    Still waiting.................................................................

    Regards,
    OW
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    I feel for you. My '97 GP GTP was great until 60K and then weird things kept happening. The engine was great, however. It's those annoying sub-par parts that kill the brand. I'll never understand the philosophy of the US manufacturers. Make it bulletproof and these perceptions would disappear.

    No kidding. I never had any engine issues with my Suburban, but everything surrounding the engine was horrible.

    I do think GM is getting better, but it's just a tough marketplace. If your looking at a new car and are looking for the best choice in each segment regardless of make, how many are going to pick a Ford, GM, or Chrysler?

    GM only has two sedans I would consider, the Malibu and CTS. But on further review are those the best choices? Their are legitimate reasons why I'd probably pick an Accord or the new Mazda 6 over a Malibu and the new Acura TL or G35 over a CTS.

    That said, I would prefer to buy a domestic and I'd buy a car used so the fact that I could buy a used Malibu or CTS for less than the foreign competition would mean that I would forgo the best car and and go with the better deal.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    When you get a good look at the new Acura TL's styling, you might get over you're infatuation with it. It looks more like it should be fighting Godzilla rather than cruising down the turnpike. Who approved that awful nose? The Infiniti G35 isn't AS strange, but still looks like it was conceived in Bizzaro World. What's with those Asian stylists? Either their cars are as bland as styrofoam rice cakes or look like they were designed in Toho Studios. Asian cars' styling is probably the biggest turn-off for me and makes me wonder why somebody would want to be seen in such a conveyance.

    Reliability? Resale value? Sure, I can marry an ugly woman who's extremely loyal, a fantastic lover, a great cook, and great with the kids, but I'd still be ashamed to be seen with her.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Reliability? Resale value? Sure, I can marry an ugly woman who's extremely loyal, a fantastic lover, a great cook, and great with the kids, but I'd still be ashamed to be seen with her.


    As Donald Trump recently said" How Vain!"

    Nashville, Tenn., 08.16.2008 -- When you have a vehicle line – say the Infiniti G – that has chalked up award after award, topped comparison test after comparison test, and endeared itself to a growing legion of passionate owners, what do you do for an encore? If you happen to be a world-class performance luxury brand – say like Infiniti – the answer is simple: Everything.

    DETROIT (Dec. 12, 2007) –Nissan’s VQ37VHR engine has been named to the 10 Best Engines list by Ward’s Automotive Group, marking the 14th straight year a VQ series engine has earned that distinction. It is the only engine that has been included every year since the award began in 1995.

    Ward’s evaluated the VQ37VHR, mated to a six-speed manual transmission, in the 2008 Infiniti G37 Coupe. The Infiniti G37 marks the first application of the new 3.7-liter V6 engine with VVEL (Variable Valve Event and Lift). Rated at 330 horsepower and 270 lb-ft of torque, the new engine contains approximately 35 percent new and unique parts from the Infiniti G35 sedan’s VQ35HR engine, which was included in Ward’s 10 Best Engines for 2007.

    2008 BEST RESALE VALUE: BY VEHICLE CATEGORY
    SEDAN: Honda Civic
    LUXURY:BMW 6 Series
    COUPE: Infiniti G37
    PICKUP: Toyota Tundra
    CONVERTIBLE: MINI Cooper
    SPORT UTILITY: Acura MDX
    WAGON: Scion xB
    VAN / MINIVAN: Honda Odyssey
    HATCHBACK: Scion tC
    HYBRID: Honda Civic Hybrid
    HIGH PERFORMANCE: Chevrolet Corvette Z06

    2008 BEST RESALE VALUE: TOP 10 MODELS
    Chevrolet Corvette
    Scion xB
    Honda Civic
    Toyota Corolla
    Infiniti G37
    Volkswagen Eos
    MINI Cooper
    Volkswagen Jetta
    Scion tC
    Volkswagen Rabbit

    The moral of this story is: Never mention resale value if you own an American car brand. NEVER.....unless you own a Corvette! Did I mention I want one of these?

    Regards,
    OW
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    When you get a good look at the new Acura TL's styling, you might get over you're infatuation with it

    I'm not infatuated with the TL, if I was the CTS wouldn 't be a consideration. I really like the looks of the CTS. I haven't test drove one, but I certianly would if I was in the market for that type of car. That said, I've sampled GMs 3.6/6speed combo in fwd applications and IMO it doesn't feel like a premium engine/trans combo.

    Typical of GM v6's it gets coarse when reved, the 6speed auto doesn't like to downshift, another trait of GM transmissions that really bothers me. That may not be an issue for the masses, but it's something that really drives me nuts and could be a reason for me to choose another car over the CTS.

    I hated that my Suburban nearly had to be floored to downshift. The new 6speed trans I tested in a Denali was the same way as was a Saturn Aura XR 3.6 I drove. I've read many of the same complaints in most rags on this issue.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    FWIW:

    http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/28/gm-plant-earns-j-d-power-founders-award/
  • v2c4v2c4 Member Posts: 3
    thank's for tips
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    For the two or three of y'all sidetracked, let's try to leave the colonies behind a bit and focus on the topic for a while. Thanks.
  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    Did I mention my friend who bought a used Jetta with about 16k miles on it? He said it has cost him $400 in repairs for every 3000 miles he has driven it since he got it a few years ago. Since it is in the top ten, I am in confused as to the value of being on the list. Besides, leading a category doesn't imply that there is a substantial gap between 1st place and any subsequent place.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    What so different about the Malibu? Just another Epsilon car. Not bad looking from the front. Too high a belt line, and a bit narrow for passengers.

    FINALLY, somebody said it. Thank you!! What IS the big whoop over this car?
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    It's one of UNDER a handful of cars coming out of GM that is at least decent. It's a big deal when a company wakes up and finds themselves on the edge of a long fall down!

    image
    (The Road Runner symbilzes Toyonda!)

    The CTS and the G8 are the other 2, although one comes from Down Unda!

    Regards,
    OW

    Regards,
    OW
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    Yeah, I forgot about the G8. I know GM wasn't planning on selling a whole bunch, but I've only seen one on the road so far. I would put that on my shopping list.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,055
    It's one of UNDER a handful of cars coming out of GM that is at least decent. It's a big deal when a company wakes up and finds themselves on the edge of a long fall down!

    Maybe they should advertise the new Malibu as "The Car You Knew America Could Build!" Wait a minute, on second though...been there, done that. :shades:
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Here is a novel approach...letting the Asians build cars to sell under the Chrysler name.

    Nissan and Chery Could Build Compacts for Chrysler

    Wait a minute! Been there, done that, too!

    image

    Regards,
    OW
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,055
    If I was in the market for a new car, the G8 would definitely be at the top of my list. But the way the economy's going, it ain't happening anytime soon. Heck, I probably lost the equivalent of a G8's MSRP on the stock market today. :surprise:
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    I am in the came club. Nice but times change and cars take a back seat!

    Regards,
    OW
  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    going from bad to good where bad is a 1 and good is a 10. Today the stock market was a 1. Our congress was a 2. Our banking industry is a 3. The confidence America has in itself is a 4. Our health care system is a 5. The weather is a 6. Tony Romo is a 7. My 12 year old car is an 8 .Having your money in gold is a 9. Mitsubishi's purchase of 21% of Morgan Stanley for a fire sale price was a 10.

    A new Accord is an 8.5000
    A new Malibu is an 8.4999
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Good thing I got mine before TSHTF. This might be my last new car for a while. I hope things won't get so bad I'd have to be suicidal to drive around in it.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,055
    Actually, you never know. Now that the economy's faltering, you might actually get a better deal on a Caddy than you did when you bought yours!

    I got an email the other day from a local dealership. Here's the text...

    Thank you for your interest in a Pontiac G8

    Wild car!!

    I know that you are looking into the future, so it is impossible to predict future prices. If you bought a G8 today, you would meet extremely aggressive pricing.

    EXAMPLE:
    2009 GT G8 with leather starting at $ 30,189.13 + Tax, Tags, & Title.

    If performance cars trip your trigger, I have a previous owned 2006, Pontiac GTO (400 HP) that you can have for 23,993.00 + Tax, Tags, & Title

    Call me so we can look at cars together. I need an excuse to drive one of these Bad Boys.

    I guess this is from when we drove the G8, Malibu, and other cars at the Carlisle GM show back in June.
  • hudsonthedoghudsonthedog Member Posts: 552
    Here is a novel approach...letting the Asians build cars to sell under the Chrysler name.

    Wait a minute! Been there, done that, too!

    Sure...shall we list them?

    Dodge Colt/Plymouth Champ
    Plymouth Arrow
    Dodge D50/Plymouth Arrow Pickup
    Dodge Raider
    Dodge Challenger/Plymouth Sapporo
    Dodge/Chrysler/Plymouth Conquest
    Dodge Stealth
    Chevrolet LUV
    Buick/Opel
    Chevrolet Sprint/Metro
    Chevrolet Spectrum
    Pontiac LeMans
    Ford Festiva
    Ford Aspire
    Ford Capri
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Now, fast forward to the future...the only cars that sell are US brands OWNED by foreign companies.

    Regards,
    OW
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    Chevrolet LUV
    Buick/Opel
    Chevrolet Spectrum
    Chevrolet Sprint/Metro
    Chevette Diesel

    GM gets a little bit of a by here because GM owned a chunk of Isuzu...that is part of how they got the Allison 5-spd auto in their trucks, and light-duty diesels. I am not sure what they had with Suzuki (Sprint/Metro).

    Ford Capri
    The Carpi was all Ford. It was Ford of Australia but it was Ford. The Ford Cortina, Mekur XR4Ti and Scorpio would be under the foreign Fords list. The Probe and the MX6 were basically all Mazda.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I believe you're thinking of the short-lived two-seater Capri from the early 1990s. There was an earlier Capri made in Germany and one a bit later that was a rebadged Mustang.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The German Opels were the Rekord, Kadett, Manta and Opel GT. There was an Opel imported during the mid 1970s that was really an Isuzu. The Opel Omega made a brief appearance here as the Cadillac Catera. I believe the latest Opel to make an appearance on these shores is the Saturn Astra.
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  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    I believe you're thinking of the short-lived two-seater Capri from the early 1990s. There was an earlier Capri made in Germany and one a bit later that was a rebadged Mustang.

    Yeah you are right, I was definitely thinking of the 2 seater convertible when I said that. The Capri of the 70s was actually a really cool car for the time.

    I didn't realize it had a relationship to the "Mustang II;" I always thought that was Pinto based (and except for Farah Fawcett, a sorry excuse for a Mustang), and then the Fox body was related to the Fairmont/LTD.
  • hudsonthedoghudsonthedog Member Posts: 552
    GM gets a little bit of a by here because GM owned a chunk of Isuzu...that is part of how they got the Allison 5-spd auto in their trucks, and light-duty diesels. I am not sure what they had with Suzuki (Sprint/Metro).
    GM gets no more credit for owning "a chunk of Isuzu" (and Suzuki and Daewoo) than the others since Chrysler owned a "chunk" of Mitsubishi and Ford owned a bit of both Mazda and Kia.

    Ford Capri
    The Carpi was all Ford. It was Ford of Australia but it was Ford. The Ford Cortina, Mekur XR4Ti and Scorpio would be under the foreign Fords list. The Probe and the MX6 were basically all Mazda.
    The Probe was left out (as were the Chevrolet Nova/Prizm and Plymouth Laser/Eagle Talon) because it was built in the US with UAW labor. The orignal posting discussed being built in Asia (also why the Catera, Cortina, Scorpio, and XR4Ti were left out).
  • hudsonthedoghudsonthedog Member Posts: 552
    I didn't realize it had a relationship to the "Mustang II;" I always thought that was Pinto based (and except for Farah Fawcett, a sorry excuse for a Mustang), and then the Fox body was related to the Fairmont/LTD.

    There was a Capri based on the Mustang II (and, therefore, Pinto), but it never made it out of the design studio. The German Capri (actually just a "Capri" sold by Lincoln-Mercury dealers) shared very little with the American subcompacts (like V6 engines).
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    The G8 is the first good pontiac in years. Why? IMPORTED. PERIOD.

    Regards,
    OW
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    GM gets no more credit for owning "a chunk of Isuzu" (and Suzuki and Daewoo) than the others since Chrysler owned a "chunk" of Mitsubishi and Ford owned a bit of both Mazda and Kia.

    Fair enough, but Mitsubishi was in the position to buy Chrysler more than the other way around, and Ford still owns like 1/3 of Mazda.

    The Probe was left out (as were the Chevrolet Nova/Prizm and Plymouth Laser/Eagle Talon) because it was built in the US with UAW labor. The orignal posting discussed being built in Asia (also why the Catera, Cortina, Scorpio, and XR4Ti were left out).

    Gotcha, that makes sense.
  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    What country is the G8 made in? What country is the tech center that designed it in?
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Made by GM's Holden Division in Australia.

    Company Name
    GM Holden Ltd

    Head Office
    191 Salmon Street
    Port Melbourne Victoria 3207
    Telephone: 03 9647 1111
    Facsimile: 03 9647 2550
    www.holden.com.au
    GPO Box 1714
    Melbourne Vic 3001

    Main Business
    Manufacture and distribution of motor vehicles, engines, components and parts.

    Parent Company
    General Motors Corporation, Detroit, Michigan, USA.

    Facilities
    Head Office and Design & Engineering Centre
    Design; engineering; national sales and marketing; customer satisfaction and quality; finance; human resources; product, business and strategic planning; purchasing and logistics; corporate affairs; legal; information systems and services; vehicle line executive group.
    Location: Port Melbourne, Victoria.

    GM Holden Vehicle Manufacturing Operations
    Plastics, body tool design, stamping, sheet metal and body fabrication, paint and vehicle assembly.
    Location: Elizabeth, South Australia.

    GM Holden Engine Manufacturing Operations
    Manufacture and assembly operations for Family II four-cylinder and six-cylinder engines, foundry and component manufacturing facilities.
    Location: Port Melbourne, Victoria.

    GM Holden Service Parts Operations
    Distribution and marketing of Holden service parts and accessories for the Holden Dealer Network and international customers.
    Location: Dandenong, Victoria.

    Automotive Proving Ground
    Vehicle development, durability testing, safety test centre and exhaust emission facility.
    Location: Lang Lang, Victoria.

    GM Holden Innovation
    Identifies future consumer needs and develops products, technologies and skills for Holden to compete in global markets. Its activities encompass initiatives such as safety, in-car IT systems and alternative propulsion systems.
    Location: Port Melbourne, Victoria.

    State Sales Offices
    Provide a direct interface between GM Holden and its Dealer Network, giving support in the areas of fleet sales, service and parts.
    Locations: Victoria, New South Wales, South Australia, Queensland and Western Australia.

    Employment:
    6500 (as at November 2007)

    2008 product range:
    Passenger Vehicles
    Holden Caprice, Statesman, Calais, Berlina, Commodore range, Sportwagon range, Astra range, Viva, Barina, Epica.

    Sports Utility Vehicles
    Captiva.

    Light Commercial Vehicles
    Holden Ute, Crewman, Colorado, Combo.

    Engines
    Global V6, Gen 4 V8, Family II four cylinder.
    Vehicles Exported
    Commodore models were exported under the GM brands of Chevrolet, Pontiac and Holden to Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Oman, Lebanon, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, Yemen, Jordan, New Zealand, Brazil, North America, Fiji, Brunei and South Africa. Statesman/Caprice models were exported to Middle East regions and New Zealand.

    Regards,
    OW
  • m1miatam1miata Member Posts: 4,551
    I had the Opel Manta Rallye 1973 coupe. Really a cool looking little car. Wish they still made neat looking coupes like that. Had the low and wide look. Now they all look close in style, all have those too tall doors, and have no personality. Oh yeah, they lack RWD too. The Astra is not a bad looking FWD car. But then again, all so many, all the same. Wonder how reliable the Opels are these days???
  • m1miatam1miata Member Posts: 4,551
    We are here today, on the brink, in part due to people buying everything on credit. A car loses money, and thus is a negative investment and should not be bought on time.
  • m1miatam1miata Member Posts: 4,551
    Not sure about gold. Could be just in a trading range, as the Markets fluctuate. As Babyboomers age, they will be investing a bit less into stocks. Hot markets to come back in another decade or two. Some really good priced companies.... well if they make the earnings numbers, but then again, it is a flat markets cycle over all. You can make money, but it will be tougher. That 4% rate in a bank may look better, as in cash. A 10 to 20% position in stocks vs, cash may be about right -- what say YOU? As for buying a car, I guess prices get better every day. Any idea when the Camaro hits the showroom?
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