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I test drove a base model yesterday and the salesperson was able to select a display in the center of the speedometer which really does the same thing. It did not have the pretty colors, but by the use of symbols (and arrows) that appear at appropriate times, the same information was provided. You could tell when only the battery was driving or when the engine was running and both were providing acceleration. Even the charging of the battery during deceleration was evident. This display did the job.
I too wished for the Energy Flow display that had been in the advertisements, but I did not want to spend the $2500 for sun roof and Nav, to get it. This display worked for me. It provides the basic, necessary information that the new hybrid owner needs, in a way that is still graphical.
It just didn't have the same feel of bling !
And I put a deposit on a Barcelona Red base model, due in next week.
Both are fully equipped except for NAV. Sarah's phone number is 323-467-6161. Note: posted at 1:30 PM PST... hurry if one of these matches your needs!
**Please be very careful when doing this! Toyota (Denso) locked the thing down for a reason!!!***
See this post for info on how to override the lockout.
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?threadid=13839
P.S. From what I've read, this also allows you to see Caller ID, extended radio station info, and other stuff while driving.
Thanks
Here's a summary. It takes seconds to do, and is simpler than the explanation would lead you to believe.
On the panel to the left of the NAV screen, press MENU and then on the touchscreen, press VOLUME. Then, in the upper left corner of the touchscreen, press the speaker icon once. Then, in the lower left corner of the touchscreen, where NO icon exists (blank), press once. Then repeat the last two steps, pressing the speaker icon and the blank lower left corner again. To summarize, the sequence is:
MENU > VOLUME > VOLUME ICON > BLANK >VOLUME ICON > BLANK
This will bring up a HIDDEN touchscreen. To use the locked-out features of NAV and Bluetooth, touch and hold the OVERRIDE button for five seconds. It will turn blue to indicate you have highlighted it. That's it! However, the OVERRIDE will be discontinued when you power off your car, and you will need to repeat this procedure each time.
Obviously, Toyota has locked out some features for safety reasons, but on long trips it may be useful to search for a restaurant while you're driving, or dial a phone number from your saved phonebook. I haven't yet been able to check if CALLER ID is available when OVERRIDE is used, but that would be excellent, too!
I test drove the Camry XLE V6 leather and found it to be competent, but neither exciting or luxurious. It's just another car to me.
Why the differential between front and back pressures? The TCH recommends the same pressure in front and back.
On a side note, how are y'all measuring tire pressure? I don't really trust the analog meter on my compressor, and the meters at the gas station don't give me the warm and fuzzies either..
He indicated that I could install after-market leather - and I saw an example on the lot which was very well done. I'm considering this as a choice - but wondered if putting leather over the standard seats might effect the seat-mounted side airbag and/or void the warranty.
Does anyone know?
Did he have a TCH for sale? I ran into the same sales pitch in 2 different states when wanting to test drive the Prius II. If they don't have what you want they try to sell what they have on the lot. A commission today is better than a commission next month.
8 years or 100,000 miles will have to go by first.
Though I do hear what you're saying. I am less concerned about the "technology" than I am just about the fact that it is a new model. My brother-in-law is a mechanic and says first year models really do have plenty of problems, and that it takes at least a year to work all the bugs out.
Camry Hybrid: Can't save the additional cost in fuel
Savings - & I drive 60,000 miles a year.
Fusion/Milan: No skid control, no satellite radio
Honda V6: Great car with all the whistles & bells;
but noisier & rougher riding than the Camry.
Hyundai Sonata
& Azera: No Satellite radio, can't change
stations from the wheel, poor real
world gas mileage, rapid depreciation
(I trade every 2-3 years)
Savings - & I drive 60,000 miles a year.
I think your math is suspect. How can you not save the additional cost? Would you care to share your numbers?
Man are those two DUMB. Both were wrong BTW. There is no indication that the batteries ever have to be changed. Ever.
Go to another store and place your order. You somehow turned into a store located in the Twilight Zone.
Thanks for your help.
Savings - & I drive 60,000 miles a year.
Wow, that would be about $2700/year in fuel savings. Considering the XLEV6 and Hybrid are comparable in MSRP, then your discount (if you get much) is the only savings you're seeing in the purchase process. The tax credit alone (if you qualify) should offset that cost and then the fuel savings is all yours. At that rate you can even afford new batteries in three years if that's a concern.
You may have a concern about other things with that high of milage, but saving gas should'nt be one of them
I would think about anything you would trade in at 3 rears / 180,000 miles will have rapid depreciation. In this case I'd consider everything a throwaway and go for the cheapest car.
Hyundai/poor real world gas mileage.. OR...Hybrid/can't save the additional cost in fuel savings
Looks like you're really ooncerned about this on one car and not on the other?
A lot of it seems to be based on how flexible you are on colors and options. If you are very specific, you could get lucky right away or it could take you a few weeks of hunting or you could have to order it and wait.
If you're in So Cal, there are realistically about 45 dealers within about 40 miles of you. So if you are really open to three colors... I don't see why you couldn't track one down within, say, a week at most. (In fact... last week I talked to a dealer or two who had fully loaded mag. grey hybrids immediately available). At every dealer you speak with, if they don't have the car you are looking for right now, leave the details of what you do want and your phone number -- someone WILL follow up with you if a match comes up.
By the way, some dealers will insist on a 3000 dollar markup, and some will do things like put on chrome wheels as their own version of a markup. Don't settle for that! You are in a very competetive market and should be able to find what you want fairly soon at a fair price (MSRP), even though just about half the dealerships will lie and tell you that "no one" is getting them for MSRP.
Good luck -- persistence will get you what you want much sooner than a list will -- call around. And be sure to come back and tell us what happens!
Now look at the difference in cost between the two cars, comparably-as possible-equipped, Then look at actual transaction prices between the two cars as reported in Edmunds. My XLE V6 cost $28,000. OTD
lastly, I'll trade every 2-3 years at between 150,000 & 200,000 miles When you throw in the potential-unknown at this time-for a battery replacement toward the end of the cycle, it was a no brainer for me.
No Way! At best I could expect a 6 mpg savings with the Hybrid on the road (98-99% of my driving. Gas must be a lot more expensive where you are than the $2.50 - $2.55 gl. I'm paying
I'm averaging 37.7 over the first 2300 miles. 70%Interstate / 30% local (rural). Very little "city" driving.
My XLE V6 cost $28,000. OTD
My Hybrid ($30,589 MSRP_loaded w/moonroof, Nav system, leather, htd seats, +) , purchase for $30,000 with $2600 Fed Tax Credits and $3750 State tax credits. Cost= $23,650.
I'm able to easily get 40 mpg on flat terrain. However in the hills (of WV) I am able to get 38+ at 70 mph.
I think you made a good decision. If you trade that often you can get a hybrid Camry in a couple years when the dealers are not gouging the buyers so badly. Also with the new technology and you being on the road all the time, it may be difficult to find a dealer that could take care of any problems that may crop up. Good luck,
Where were these gray fully loaded TCH's? Still looking - dan
Camry Hybrid: Can't save the additional cost in fuel
Savings - & I drive 60,000 miles a year.
Very very likley candidtate for a TCH..
let's investigate.
V6 XLE w/ Navi costs about $31300
versus
TCH w/ Navi costs about $30500
However reported price of a V6 XLE ( w/o Navi ) was about $26400 ( + TTF = $28000 OTD ). which is about right for an XLE w/o Navi at close to invoice.
The TCH buyer gets Navi for an OTD price of about $32000 vs your $28000 OTD. He's paid sticker you've paid invoice.
Net difference: $4000 in yor favor
You both travel 60000 mi annually for 3 yrs and then trade. He gets more slightly because he has Navi and you don't.
Fuel cost based on 60000 miles annually:
V6 XLE est EPA ( 28 mpg ) = $19285
TCH reported here ( 38 mpg ) = $14210
He spends $5000 less on fuel than you over 3 yrs ( 180,000 miles ).
Oh.. he may qualify for Federal and state incentives that bring him $2600 - 5000 additional tax benefits.
You might have missed an opportuniity to save some money due to your high milage driving.
At ( worst/best ) case you've broken even and you've been able to drive a wonderful V6 ICe.
Political reamifications ignored.
I know of one where it was ...
1. 1/4 ton pickup
2. 1/2 ton pickup ( 20 yrs old )
3. Honda Element
4. 2003 Infiniti FX45
5. 98 Camry XLE ( 115K trouble free miles )
6. 04 Accord LX
7. 95 Toy Land Cruiser (200,000 miles 13 mpg! I love the LC and am keeping it as well)
8. 91 Camry V6 Le (selling)
9. 06 Chrysler 300 loaded (bought 03/13/06, called last week for a TCH just went and watched it come off the truck 05/24/2006)
10. 97 Mercury Sable LS (219,000 miles)
11. 2004 Infiniti FX45 (14 mpg) :-(
If it was a $$$ issue, I obviously wouldn't have done it.
I don't care about the $$$ :P
I know of one where it was ...
1. 1/4 ton pickup
2. 1/2 ton pickup ( 20 yrs old )
3. Honda Element
4. 2003 Infiniti FX45
5. 98 Camry XLE ( 115K trouble free miles )
6. 04 Accord LX
7. 95 Toy Land Cruiser (200,000 miles 13 mpg! I love the LC and am keeping it as well)
8. 91 Camry V6 Le (selling)
9. 06 Chrysler 300 loaded (bought 03/13/06, called last week for a TCH just went and watched it come off the truck 05/24/2006)
10. 97 Mercury Sable LS (219,000 miles)
11. 2004 Infiniti FX45 (14 mpg)
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Wow..that's TWO FX 45's sitting somewhere!!
Several oder vehicles;
two trucks;
+ one very new vehicle.
I can't recall which dealerships called me back with the fully loaded mag greys -- I just know that in the last week the calls I received about fully loaded TCHs were I think two mag greys and maybe two or three whites... I was very tempted on the magnetic grey but decided to hold out for my top color choice.
I will look in my notes and see if I wrote down where... but assuming you are in So Cal, go to the Toyota dealership locator, type in your zip and print out a few dozen dealerships. (I printed out exactly 45.) Call them all and you might just get lucky... if you leave word with exactly what you want you will get called back with offers this week!
(Someone else suggested emailing, maybe that would be more efficient.)
...& I'll vouch for you. My trunk mat fits perfectly.
Some people would say "180,000 on a diesel... hech the engine is just breakin in"
My TCH is supposed to arrive at the dealer between 6/16 and 6/26, so hopefully my wait will soon be over.
I considered this car. Ruled it out because:
(From reading...not test riding)
1. Despite all of the new diesel technology, slight diesel odors have been reported with this car.
2. It has the worst pickup out of pretty much ANY car (this statement might be 100% accurate).
Why is 0-60 times important to anyone trying to save fuel? I can vouch for the VW diesel acceleration. In the 13 months I owned one I never needed all it had. Both from a dead stop or out on the highway where it really shines. Never a diesel smell.
I guess I do have a different motive. It was economics, desire to use less foreign oil and I'm getting tight in my old age.
I think global warming and melting polar ice caps is a bunch of crap. That's probably good discussion though for some other forum (one where I probably wouldn't see it anyway)