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Or a tire jockey with a high powered impact gun can warp them too. They don't warp by themselves.
Another reason I don't much care for European cars.
I've owned two BMW'a and that is enough.
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OK, it's slow here, I'll bite, how much were you figurin? :P
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
With all due respect, I am not a hard driver. I managed to get 110K from the front pads on my 91 Accord. In fact, the Honda service manager didn't blink an eye and replaced them under warranty saying he'd been having issues with them. This same Honda required rear pad and rotors at 30K and another set of front pads and rotors at 45K. For the last set, I went aftermarket and they were going fine at 90K when the car was totalled.
Or a tire jockey with a high powered impact gun can warp them too.
And again with all due respect, the only tire jockey that touched that car was a Honda tech. I presume techs are trained to use a torque wrench although I always check my wheels with my own prior to leaving ANY shop just in case - including that 98.
I know you sell Hondas and would defend them to the death. Among my direct family we've owned 7 over the past 16 years. They are great cars but not perfect. Suprisingly the VW Passat I now have has spent less time in the shop and cost me less in service than the 98 Accord did. One piece of trim, a CEL and normal service in 30K. I've been pleasantly suprised.
come on, hondas only weak point is the rotors, I had 3 replaced on my prelude in 5 years ($700 a pop each time), I hear the same story from accord owners, they are undersized and warp very easily, at least on the 90's honda's
Still, this isn't common. Did you have a new driver like I was when I was 16?
I don't defend Hondas to the death. I only state what I see from my position. VW's are some of the most troublesome cars out there but it sounds like you got a good one. Of course, not much will happen at 30K.
I see all of the used car inspection reports and during the inspection, we check pad thickness and rotors. We often reccommend new pads when they are getting thin but I honestly can't remember the last time one of our used Accords needed rotors.
Hardly a "weak point".
The honda dealer said it was common to warp them if drove into a puddle after a long ride (heat up and cooled down too quickly) or the lug nut over tightening.
Is was a weak point in my honda cause I had no other problems in 235K miles, (same clutch, for instance), nor have I every had warped rotors on any other car I've owned.
Nope - I was the driver 98% of the time and my wife the other 2%.
Of course, not much will happen at 30K.
As of right now, I've had fewer warranty issues and less expensive service requirements on the VW than on the Accord through the same mileage. I too am suprised. When I bought the VW I braced myself for the typical VW experience but have been pleasantly suprised by it.
Sounds like someone else I know. Years ago we had a discussion at our lunch table (sometimes I think that’s why I went to work everyday) and I mentioned that I ALWAYS check the lug nuts on my wheels to see if they’re too tight or not tight enough after a state inspection and getting tires. Since I do my own brake work I never have to worry about this. Anyway, a couple guys say, “that’s not a bad idea, I’ve had trouble with garages over torquing them when I go in for service. So if there is a problem, I can let them know about it right then and there”. Now, this one guy says, “you got to be kidding me, the place where I go always does it right, so I don’t have to check them”. So one of the guys said, “how do you really know if you don’t check them”. The response was, “I’ve been dealing with them for years and I know they’re good”.
This guy really had a good time with me every day at lunch for about a week asking, “hey, jmonroe did you check you lug nuts today”?
Well, you guessed it, a couple years later one of the guys comes over to me and says, go ask Ed if he’s going to check his lug nuts now? I said, “why, happened” and the answer was his right front tire came off right after he had gotten his car inspected as he was driving down the street just before he was going to get on the interstate. He wasn’t hurt at all but of course the car needed some work.
He was known as “lug nuts” after that. One day our secretary asks one of the guys, “why does everyone call Ed, “lug nuts”? So they told her the story and she said, “I just think he's nuts”. Some of the guys started to call him that but then thought better of it, if you know what I mean.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
robr2 - if I thought I could match your performance in the Passat I'd be there in a heartbeat. I still have a very healthy case of VWphobia. Wonderful cars except that each individual one is a crapshoot on reliability.
My experience has been the exact opposite of yours. I've got a 99 CRV 135K miles, still with the original rotors and have gone through three pad changes, turning the rotors each time. We've also had an 01 Accord and 99 Odyssey, but kept each only about 3 years and still had the original pads and rotors when we traded them.
Checking lug nuts is one of the things on the list of things I "should" do but never do. I don't check my oil level after an oil change either in fact I MIGHT check my oil once between changes.
And, I've never had any trouble. Just lucky I guess.
But at least we are still better than at least half of car owners out there who don't even know how to open their hood.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I ahve never replaced a rotor on any of my Hondas either.
Sometimes, I think that when people have problems themselves they tend to think they are in the majority.
Then they go to the "problems" forums and find a LOT of people with similar problems as everyone chimes in.
There's no question that more recent rotors are being built as disposable parts rather than something that can be turned.
And you come here calling yourself a car guy. I could understand that if you called yourself "isellrefrigerators" and I'd bet that your brand of fridges would be problem-free, huh. :shades:
And, I've never had any trouble. Just lucky I guess.
Yep, luck never hurts until it runs out. Since it's such an easy thing to do, I'll continue to do it till I can't work a lug wrench or open a hood.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I'll never understand that. We are not supposed to give numbers with out a commitment at our store either but I always just tell the desk "yeah he's ready to go" I find a lot of people don't want to admit they want to buy a car. I believe you always have to take a shot with numbers and try to work a deal. So many times I have had people say I am not buying today and 45 minutes later they are in the box. Sometimes the biggest compliment I can get is when some says I can't believe I am buying a car today. It might not be that much gross but I always feel good when someone says that.
And to me, that is small stuff.
Which came first the chicken or the egg?
I don’t understand how you can take that position in your biz when you know how customers are when they shop, like not really wanting to commit and needing a little help in making up their minds. I would think the best way to get them off the fence is to give them a price to wet their appetite.
Somebody has to break the ice and you guys are always concerned that when a guy leaves, most of the time he doesn’t come back. So I say take the bull by the horns and try to bring that guy down. Why isn’t that worth a shot?
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
The guy that I sold on Tuesday just picked up his new Sport.
This is how the deal went on Tuesday
We are discounting these cars 1,000 dollars so the car is XX,XXX with tax.
Says ok thinks it over.
We go look at the color again that he wants as it is in stock.
Wife and him talk for a few mintues.
They say they want some accesories and I ask which ones.
I throw in one of them and charge them sales cost for the other the deal is done.
Never talked to a manager never even told them I had a deal till after it was all done. I just took a CC Deposit and then faxed them a buyers order the next day.
However, in the spirit of the new topic: 1980 Dodge Omni: Original brakes lasted over 90K miles. I was on a trip when they wore out and gouged the rotors real bad on the way home. Evedently they made them thicker back then because my mechanic said "I left the rotors alone, that gouge will act like a cooling slot. Damned if they didn't for years afterwards.
Cost story. Brakes replaced on my Ford F-150. Cost: $80. Take that BMW :P
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Really? Could you define commitment? Is that where the customer says "I'd like to look at that Altima over there" or is he committed only when the check clears?
I'd hate to think you wouldn't talk price before I signed the contract.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
The goosehead called me at work 3 days later and asked if I was still interested in buying a car. I said something like "Sure. I just bought one last night." I would have said a lot more but I didn't want to spoil my image with the secretary who could hear the conversation.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
BMW swaps out pads and rotors together. Fine with me considering it is on their dime for the first 4 Years/50K miles.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD, 2025 Integra
nyccarguy: The '04 X3 I just purchased (with only 26.5K miles) has new pads front and rear, but I believe they did not replace the rear rotors. They may have replaced only the front rotors. We took delivery about two weeks ago, and now my wife is noticing an occasional brake squeek. Should they have replaced the rear rotors, regardless? Or, is rotor replacement up to the discretion of the BMW service team, based on their inspection?
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Mackabee
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD, 2025 Integra
And speaking of Ohio, wow the Boys from Boston sure are puttin' a hurt on the Ohio contingents. First Cinci, then Cleveland on the gridiron. Now, another group of Clevelandians, the horsehide types. Far from over, it's just one game...
See y'all tomorrow.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Oh man, you've got that right. I had a mechanic that I know who owns a small mom & pop type of a shop do the first two brake jobs and he was the one who recommended turning versus replacing the rotors. But my son has the CRV now at college and had to have the brakes done so I had him take it to a dealer and I had to be a pain in the [non-permissible content removed] to the service advisor before he would agree to turn the rotors instead of replacing them.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Sounds good though...
The more relevant question is: Which came first, the incentive or the discount? :P
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
When figures are agreeable and affordable are you ready to take delivery today?
customer: yes
Sales person: Ok intial right here next to your deposit.
That is what a commitment is.
Remember there are variations of this.
What year was that? 1988?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
No when I work numbers I work it with there down payment. I disclose everything first from MSRP to discount then show ACV you come out with a number add tax and fees. Than show what there payment will look like with there down payment. By getting them to intial near there down payment they are giving a small comitment.