Stories from the Sales Frontlines

mackabee · October 2007

Patriots and Cowboys in the Superbowl in February 2--8 Cowboys pull an upset. 38-35
:shades:
Mackabee

tidester · October 2007

Here it is! Grammar and the Peeves that Pet It

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snakeweasel · October 2007

It's really bad. My team got swept in the first round of playoffs. The team that swept them got swept, now the team that swept the team that swept my team got swept. :sick:

joel0622 · October 2007

In order not to feel the wrath of the grammar police I will start doing this.

For example

Yesterday I went to/too/two/tutu, the store to/too/two/tutu get some/sum beer before the game. There/their selection was not very good so I had to/two/too/tutu get a different brand then normal. That was OK because my three favorite kinds of beer are Corona, cold, or free, and this one/won meant one/won of those requirements.

:P

greanpea68 · October 2007

Is there still doubt that the Pats are not going to go 16-0?

The only one that has a shot is Indyand we'll see what happens this week :shades:

greanpea68 · October 2007

I understand how the Rockies fans feel. It is a horrible thing to have your team loose the World Series

greanpea68 · October 2007

We were talking about cars having trouble driving in the Denver area because the air is thin. Is it true that you take out o2 sensors in the vehicles up there? :confuse:

british_rover · October 2007

That is just too complicated for this early in the morning.

cdnpinhead · October 2007

Hey, no harm, no foul.

I just thought you & a few of the others might want to go over there and have a read. A lot of the hosts post there, but it's been pretty dead recently.

We get into really crucial issues, such as whether there should be a space between an ellipsis and the word which follows or preceedes it. Arcane doesn't begin to describe it, but some of us are that way inclined. "Pinhead" is in the name for a reason.

lrguy44 · October 2007

The toughest thing was getting home at midnight last night, having a little chill time, and getting up this morning for the early shift. The young Rox at least now have something to build on and look forward to. Maybe next year they will start in April instead of September.

joel0622 · October 2007

I would gladly see The Mariners get swept in the World Series, the Rockies made the list of "never beens" one shorter.

sterlingdog · October 2007

You are absolutely PRICELESS! I love it! Only a paratrooper from Nashville could think of that.

sterlingdog · October 2007

Thanks, Steve. I checked it out, but it doesn't appear to be as much fun as this site. Don't miss what Joel wrote this morning. It is sooooo good.

phinneas519 · October 2007

Do you hear those sirens? ~~Its~~ It's the Grammar Police! Run for your lifes! I mean lives!

As someone who holds an English degree, I absolutely hate apostrophe abuse. In some cases, I've walked around town and grocery stores using a marker to remove additional apostrophes whenever possible. I've even contacted the editor of the New York Times to complain about an article using an apostrophe to indicate plural instead of possessive. I also get annoyed when folks use an apostrophe for possessive "its," when they don't realize that the apostrophe makes that into "it's = it is."

Oh yeah, I also dislike "whom" abuse. They should do a better job of teaching folks when to use whom and when to us who.

Ok, sorry...rant over. :sick:

Kirstie_H · October 2007

Well, as much fine as it might be here, we can't just let every discussion be a free-for-all. I love grammar as much as the next obsessive geek, but we do need to take those conversations to the grammar forum. We'll just move posts as needed.

And... we could MAKE other discussions fun, no?

greanpea68 · October 2007

people in
Cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipomnartt!if you can raed tihs rpsoet it. OLNY RSEPOT IF YOU CAN RAED TIHS. CNAHGE THE NMUERBR AT TOP TGOHUH, "ONLY __ PEOPLE IN THE WORLD CAN READ THIS...CAN YOU?" Go up a nmuber if you can raed it

See, who needs spell check...lol

How does that make you feel grammar police.

I ma just axing a question?

Does anyone know if they take out O2 sensors in Denver beacuse the air so thin?

british_rover · October 2007

And now to bring it back on topic there is an old Land Rover ad that used that very same trick. I think I have a copy of it in my Retrospective and if I do I will scan it in tonight at home.

jmonroe · October 2007

Are those pictures of Mack's fellow salespeople? I might buy from the one in the middle, but the rest look kinda...funny.

Get your head out of the...this is a car site. Are you trying to say you wouldnt buy a used car from any of the others?

jmonroe

micosilver · October 2007

I once talked to an Audi salesman in Colorado. He didn't say anything about sensors, but he said that in high elevation 4-cylinder turbo engines are more powerful than a V6 naturally aspirated - which is the opposite for us at sea level...

greanpea68 · October 2007

mico, Thanks for the info. i was pretty sure we had some guys here from Denver that might be able to answer that question. But they might be up set with people from Boston and are refusing to answer me.

kyfdx · October 2007

Turbos don't lose power at altitude, like NA engines do...

That's because the turbo compresses the incoming air, and can adjust for the density..

Some engineer could probably explain that..

regards,
kyfdx
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sterlingdog · October 2007

Very well, Party Pooper. I surrender. No more "fine" with grammar as you put it. Guess that means no more jokes, pictures, sports, etc. There's always one student in every class...

british_rover · October 2007

Turbos still lose power just not as fast as a NA engine does.

Some where on the web is a nice graph showing the relation of altitude to power loss with a turbo and NA motor.

sterlingdog · October 2007

I totally agree with you, but the Hosts are shutting us down on the grammar issues here. Sorry.

cdnpinhead · October 2007

Turbo speed is a function of the delta-P of the exhaust gas (& temperature, inlet parameters, & some other stuff, but the delta-P is the first-order driver) compared to the outside (ambient) air pressure.

At high altitude, the air pressure is lower & the turbo runs faster, which compresses the inlet charge more than it would at sea level, which is a good thing, because there's less of it to compress. It doesn't provide 100% of the power available at sea level standard (59 deg, 760mm of Hg, yada, yada) day, but it comes reasonably close & definitely is superior to a naturally-aspirated engine on those 11-12K foot mountain passes in CO.

OTOH, while you can get away with 85 octane gas in a NA engine that would require 91 at sea level, you've got to actually burn premium in a turbo.

jmonroe · October 2007

See, who needs spell check...lol

How does that make you feel grammar police.

That post was very easy for you to write; you were just writing naturally.

Does anyone know if they take out O2 sensors in Denver beacuse the air so thin?

I do, but after reading your essay, youd never understand. :P

jmonroe

gogiboy · October 2007

Your "Burr" anecdote is a beauty. Have you ever read Richard Lederer's "World history through student bloopers? You should submit your story for any future revision. My favorite: Sir Francis Drake curcumicised the world with a hundred foot clipper. What an image!

Don't worry about your football player. My wife had one here at OSU in basic (remedial) composition. His paper kept making reference to the "offense of" this particular position. Turns out he didn't know that his own position was "offensive" lineman.

stickguy · October 2007

I think I will go be obnoxious at a few car dealers, just to generate some story lines!

I do have to go to the Honda dealer tonight to drop of the van for service. Might have to wander into the showroom, if I can convince the wife to go take a test sit in a new Accord. No drives of course.

Hey, that's as close to a sales story as this thread has come in quite a while!

greanpea68 · October 2007

I guess that means I'll have to walk out and ask the master techs in the shop.

laurasdada · October 2007

I believe that you have the teams correct, but the outcome incorrect.... :shades:

Unless there's a sea change, the AFC (read: Patriots) shall win the Super Bowl. As for the Pats running the table, possible but I wouldn't be surprised (or concerned) should they drop a game or two. Just not sure (other than Indy) who can beat 'em. I think they can only beat themselves...

jmonroe · October 2007

PLEASE---we are in mourning at this house!

You had me confused with that word (mourning). Since you wrote your post at 12:14 AM, I couldnt understand why you were telling us what part of the day it was where you live, because nobody brought up that subject. It seemed like such a matter of fact thingy since most people, wherever they live, sleep during the wee hours of the morning and nobody gives it a second thought. Then I realized you pulled a homonym on me.

jmonroe

jmonroe · October 2007

It's really bad. My team got swept in the first round of playoffs. The team that swept them got swept, now the team that swept the team that swept my team got swept.

I'm going to put this into car talk perspective.

It sounds like someone bought a new car from 'joel' (he's pretty close to the culprit), who then drove over to jipsters, got 'jips' Kirby then did what you said. :shades:

jmonroe

sterlingdog · October 2007

I'm proud of you. You have become a very good and observant student---just in time I might add. The Hosts have shut us down on the grammar issue. Keep improving and I'll be watching even though I won't be talking.

sterlingdog · October 2007

Thanks for the tip. I'll find the book. It sounds like fun reading.

lrguy44 · October 2007

I would have answered your question a long time ago but I was busy selling a car. We do remove O2 sensors every time they fail... and replace them with new ones.

There is also a big difference between a turo charged car and a supercharged car.

All cars lose power at altitude. But yes, above 4000 feet you can used lower octane fuel.

joel0622 · October 2007

We do remove O2 sensors every time they fail... and replace them with new ones.

Thats funny

greanpea68 · October 2007

very funny...

I can only assume that you guys don't do anything to them out there.

jmonroe · October 2007

I can only assume that you guys don't do anything to them out there.

Nothing that anyone out there that works at a dealer will admit to.

jmonroe

tidester · October 2007

At high altitude, the air pressure is lower ...

That is also true at higher elevation which is where cars drive, i.e. on the ground. Airplanes fly at altitude.

tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper

houdini1 · October 2007

See, it's not as easy as you think Mr. English major. You misspelled a word in your post. Hint: You won't be able to find it with spell checker!!

traindriver · October 2007

Hey Greenpea,
Aren't you a Nissan guy? If so, is premium required in the Maxima? I think I recall that premium is recommended.

Does this mean premium is recommended in order to get the absolute max engine output, HP, or whatever??? ...or does this mean that it is recommended to keep your engine damage free and to obtain the max engine life, etc. There's a big difference in the potential outcome, IMO, depending on how one interprets "recommended." What's the "Nissan" inside view on this?

The Maxima may be on my list of candidates in a few years, but not if I have to run premium fuel in it....I would gravitate towards an Avalon or something.

nthe · October 2007

i don't sell nissan, but from what i understand, it is recommened for optimum performance, and you will get slightly better gas milage from using premium. if you use regular, you might develop some engine knocking. some people have told me using fuel injector cleaners and things such as that every so often can help if you only use regular when the car recommends premium.

cdnpinhead · October 2007

My bad.

One hopes the rest of the post made at least some sense.

lrguy44 · October 2007

Yes, but the load weight of an aircraft taking off at 5000 feet on a 95 degree day is much less than the same aircraft taking off at sea level on a 95 degree day. There is less lift at altitude.

traindriver · October 2007

Grab a Corona, Joel, you're gonna love this....

According to the 10/22 "Automotive News", Consumer Reports has branded the new Tundra with "below average" in projected reliability. It also received a 4 star crash rating, one less than its Detroit rivals.

Sorry, Mack.

jescue · October 2007

The V6 Camry got the same reliability rating. Ford saw a big improvement.

tidester · October 2007

There is less lift at altitude.

Indeed! But lift isn't usually a consideration with respect to cars.

tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper

greanpea68 · October 2007

is premium required in the Maxima? I think I recall that premium is recommended.

Your right it is recommended. first of all it is rested with premium because premium gas gives better results. Gas milage and horse power. After talking to the techs about this in service a couple of times before they all say the same thing which is your gas milage might go down a milage or two. But for the engine itself they say as long as you change your gas filter and change your oil you will be fine.

also talked to the techs about the denver issue to anyone thats been paying attention. They said that the cars computers will be able to adjust for the higher altitude with the air intake. They said older cars would have to sometimes have their carburators adjusted. I had to walk away from the master t6ech because they will talk for hours about stuff I won't understand. As a matter of fact he was still talking when I was walking away.

greanpea68 · October 2007

The Maxima may be on my list of candidates in a few years

If you are waiting....
The 2010 Maxima is supposed to have a optional desiel engine.

nthe · October 2007

" Consumer Reports has branded the new Tundra with "below average" in projected reliability"

the 4wd v8 tundra to be exact. FYI---consumer reports also said beta max was better than VHS and we all saw how that worked out.

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