This comment you made, although it may have not been your intent, may be considered as offensive and disrespectful.
Even if farmers only make up 2 or 8 percent (as you defined as typical) of the American population, why exclude them as "real" Americans. Walk a mile in their shoes before making this statement. You did not say "most" Americans were being represented. Please use caution is all I'm asking and here is why this touched a nerve:
One very dear friend of mine was raised on a cattle farm in Montana and another in Colorado. Both were treated with full military honors upon their return home with a "real" American flag draped over their caskets. Both of them joined the military following the attack on "real" Americans, September 11, 2001. They were two farm raised country boy "real" Americans fighting for their homeland.
Sorry, and I'm sure this may not have been your intent, but please use caution.
Thank you very much for your patriotism and God bless.
I think you're missing the point. The idea of the family farm died years ago and the guy running the hardware store in a little town is no less "real" or patriotic than my uncle the dairy farmer was.
I know both types, but the "farmer" is subsidized and not allowed to fail while the hardware store owner is. I buy hamburger from a WWII veteran who's entitled to subsidies and loans and extension help, while my hardware store guy got foreclosed on when the jobs left my area. Both are great guys, but I don't revere one more than the other.
Another uncle raises beef down in S. MS and he's the biggest jerk you ever met.
What do you base that on? Do you live near farmers and talk to them? Have you gone to county fairs over the years, seen the children and their parents in various competitions? Taken the time to talk to them?
Like I say, I buy hamburger from a guy while looking out the window at his cows. Buy chicken and pork from a local farm. I went to the county fair last August.
But these folks aren't any more "real" or "patriotic" than the people wrenching or selling nuts and bolts. Maybe I feel that way because I do know a few ranchers and farmers and am related to some.
Most "farmers" are just corporate just as most hardware stores are Lowes or Home Depot so I'm not buying the commercials trying to tug at my heartstrings that way. Even lots of "little" guys are just under contract to corporations.
Steve it was not your comment I was referring to about defining and excluding farmers as real Americans. It was kyfdx's comment. Maybe if he said most versus real Americans I would not have had the same feeling. Either way, the post below implies that farmers were being excluded as representing "real" Americans. This was painful as I explained in post #6911, although it may not have been his intent.
#6894 of 6915 Re: Best Super Bowl Ad - God Made a Farmer and Dodge Ram [xrunner2] by kyfdx HOST Feb 04, 2013 (7:34 pm) Replying to: xrunner2 (Feb 04, 2013 5:45 pm) Real Americans? How many people are making a living as farmers? The typical American hasn't been a farmer since Paul Harvey was a boy. Nostalgia might sell, but they sure weren't representing "real" Americans.
You'll notice "real" is in quotes... My post was a commentary on the commercial being completely out of date.... not on farmers in general..
My grandfather was a farmer, my father-in-law was a farmer, my brother-in-law thought he was a farmer (until he blew all of my father-in-laws money).. ad nauseum.
I knew who you were responding to. We're a conversation based board and anyone can reply to anyone here. And I didn't agree with your "real" comments because to me, you made it sound like farmers deserve to be put on a pedestal just because they work the land. That doesn't make sense to me any more than intimating that someone is a born liar and crook just because they sells cars.
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The Jeep (non-Grand) Cherokee and Kia Sportage were out sooner, but those were trucky and inefficient.
RAV4 did create the small crossover segment, and if you look the whole world has copied that formula, even German lux brands now. You can't not have a small crossover.
Some where deep inside every Q5 has the soul of that original RAV4.
I'm kidding, of course.
I'd be curious to see that ad. It's kind of like Chrysler saying they invented the minivan, even though the VW Bus existing long before.
I'll have to keep an ear out for the ad. I am pretty sure the cruddy S-10 Blazer my dad had existed before the RAV4. Not a crossover of course, but if that word wasn't spoken...
Oh, I didn't know that was your duty. Reading comprehension might show you I didn't say anything was "fact" :sick: ...my original post expressed at least a sliver of uncertainty.
You sure they didn't say "crossover SUV"? That term is thrown around a lot.
There was nothing car-like about the Cherokee, Sportage, or S10. Or Explorer Sport/Mazda Navajo for that matter.
Like it or not, it did create an entirely new segment. Of course the pioneer rarely gets the glory - Honda followed a year later with the CR-V and it's the sales champ.
They weren't sportier than the Cherokee and Sportage, they were more comfortable, liveable.
Back then the trucks has buckboard rides and your head tossed side to side. You tolerated that to get 4WD and a wagon body, but there was much room for improvement.
They also weren't meant for off roading, but you could run over a speed bump and not spill your coffee. Or get around in the snow.
Shoot, I'd say the first small SUV goes back even further to the original Ford Bronco, the International Scout, or even Toyota's own original Land Cruiser.
The Japanese did do that thing, making tall wagons that were car like, but pretend butch to appeal to suburbanites - as opposed to their earlier simple tall wagons that didn't pretend. We know which are cooler, and sadly, which sold better. Don't know if I can call them SUVs.
Could say that about usage of vast majority or more of so-called "SUVs". What amount of time in the year are these vehicles actually used for "sport"? Is sport going to work? Or going shopping to food store or big box store? Going to place of worship? Going to a friend's house? Or taking the kids somewhere? Going to a restaurant?
Maybe they are considered sport when taking kids to a soccer game. Or putting golf clubs in back and going to golf course. But, if you use a car to take kids to soccer game or going to golf course with clubs in trunk, is your car then a Sport-car, or Sportscar?
It might be the pretense of sport. See it a lot here in the PNW - someone who walks up Cougar Mountain in June once a year is a rough and tumble outdoorsman, someone who last went skiing in 1993 still keeps a rack on their car all year, and so on. The S in SUV caters to this, image trumps all. It's certainly not sporty handling.
Even the "utility" can be sketchy, as they often hold less than a wagon. But I guess they are a vehicle, 1 out of 3 is still good in some professions. :shades:
Back in the day, SUV owners were hunters, fishermen, or outdoorsmen. Their vehicles were spartan, filthy with mud and debris and had lots of battle damage, and were often seen towing a boat, sporting gun racks, or carrying camping gear. It was a stark contract to the plush vehicles driven by trophy Stepford wife soccer mommies to Whole Foods or Pottery Barn.
Saw the RAV4 ad last night, and I quote: "First small SUV". Uh huh.
Another dumb (possibly local, it looks cheaply made) Toyota theme has hit the air here, too. Random people walk by a new blandbox (Prius, fleet spec Corolla) and exclaim "Look at that new Toyota!" I mean, really. At least show an Avalon or something.
No real premise. Doesn't show the new one. It is just mentioning the goodness of the vehicle, as if people haven't heard of it before. It could be local for all I know, it's not a national (grounded to the ground, dorky families, etc) spot, I am sure.
That could be it. Local ads nowadays don't always appear to have been shot with a 1984 model camcorder. "Look at that new Toyota!".. will have to monitor youtube for these ads.
I was critical of the Prius C interior and the salesman gave me the whole recycled-materials-used spiel. I felt like saying they should use new and unused stuff.
Here comes the Hang Over - now I'm getting those follow-up calls, "So, when are you going to come in to buy a car?" The Hyundai guy doesn't even remember I want the pano without the leather/huge rims. :sick:
Spark matching colors is neat, but I'm not sure where all the shopping comes from. Maybe they shop too much so a Spark is all they can afford to drive?
Sonic and skate board connection comes from the Rob Dyrdek barrel roll.
Corvette part is cool.
Impala has a Bond-ish guy but it goes by quick.
A little all over the place? What do you guys think?
One of those "free" numbers works good for that. I have a GrandCentral* number that rings and if the caller doesn't announce, it goes to voice mail. Or I can just dump 'em to voice mail.
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Even if farmers only make up 2 or 8 percent (as you defined as typical) of the American population, why exclude them as "real" Americans. Walk a mile in their shoes before making this statement. You did not say "most" Americans were being represented. Please use caution is all I'm asking and here is why this touched a nerve:
One very dear friend of mine was raised on a cattle farm in Montana and another in Colorado. Both were treated with full military honors upon their return home with a "real" American flag draped over their caskets. Both of them joined the military following the attack on "real" Americans, September 11, 2001. They were two farm raised country boy "real" Americans fighting for their homeland.
Sorry, and I'm sure this may not have been your intent, but please use caution.
Thank you very much for your patriotism and God bless.
I know both types, but the "farmer" is subsidized and not allowed to fail while the hardware store owner is. I buy hamburger from a WWII veteran who's entitled to subsidies and loans and extension help, while my hardware store guy got foreclosed on when the jobs left my area. Both are great guys, but I don't revere one more than the other.
Another uncle raises beef down in S. MS and he's the biggest jerk you ever met.
What do you base that on? Do you live near farmers and talk to them? Have you gone to county fairs over the years, seen the children and their parents in various competitions? Taken the time to talk to them?
But these folks aren't any more "real" or "patriotic" than the people wrenching or selling nuts and bolts. Maybe I feel that way because I do know a few ranchers and farmers and am related to some.
Most "farmers" are just corporate just as most hardware stores are Lowes or Home Depot so I'm not buying the commercials trying to tug at my heartstrings that way. Even lots of "little" guys are just under contract to corporations.
And that's the rest of the story.
#6894 of 6915 Re: Best Super Bowl Ad - God Made a Farmer and Dodge Ram [xrunner2] by kyfdx HOST
Feb 04, 2013 (7:34 pm)
Replying to: xrunner2 (Feb 04, 2013 5:45 pm)
Real Americans?
How many people are making a living as farmers? The typical American hasn't been a farmer since Paul Harvey was a boy.
Nostalgia might sell, but they sure weren't representing "real" Americans.
You'll notice "real" is in quotes... My post was a commentary on the commercial being completely out of date.... not on farmers in general..
My grandfather was a farmer, my father-in-law was a farmer, my brother-in-law thought he was a farmer (until he blew all of my father-in-laws money).. ad nauseum.
Offensive is in the eye of the beholder...
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It was the first compact crossover SUV introduced into the marketplace. It went on sale in Japan and Europe in 1994. The CR-V came out in 1995.
Yes there were other small SUV's but none were crossovers.
I recall an old ad claiming the Lexus RX was first at something too.
RAV4 did create the small crossover segment, and if you look the whole world has copied that formula, even German lux brands now. You can't not have a small crossover.
Some where deep inside every Q5 has the soul of that original RAV4.
I'm kidding, of course.
I'd be curious to see that ad. It's kind of like Chrysler saying they invented the minivan, even though the VW Bus existing long before.
They just took it mainstream.
That's another joke.
Nah - just playing devil's advocate PERIOD.
Just wanted to make sure one understands that saying one once saw something that says something doesn't make it fact.
I'll have to keep an ear out for the ad. I am pretty sure the cruddy S-10 Blazer my dad had existed before the RAV4. Not a crossover of course, but if that word wasn't spoken...
There was nothing car-like about the Cherokee, Sportage, or S10. Or Explorer Sport/Mazda Navajo for that matter.
Like it or not, it did create an entirely new segment. Of course the pioneer rarely gets the glory - Honda followed a year later with the CR-V and it's the sales champ.
How car like is the first kind of roly-poly RAV or CRV though, really? Almost seem like small JDM trucks than real cars.
Back then the trucks has buckboard rides and your head tossed side to side. You tolerated that to get 4WD and a wagon body, but there was much room for improvement.
They also weren't meant for off roading, but you could run over a speed bump and not spill your coffee. Or get around in the snow.
Nah..
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But...RAV4 started the car-like trend. Before that, everything was rough and tumble, which is fine. It's just not what suburbia wanted.
Could say that about usage of vast majority or more of so-called "SUVs". What amount of time in the year are these vehicles actually used for "sport"? Is sport going to work? Or going shopping to food store or big box store? Going to place of worship? Going to a friend's house? Or taking the kids somewhere? Going to a restaurant?
Maybe they are considered sport when taking kids to a soccer game. Or putting golf clubs in back and going to golf course. But, if you use a car to take kids to soccer game or going to golf course with clubs in trunk, is your car then a Sport-car, or Sportscar?
Maybe "UV" is more accurate for so-called SUVs.
Sport is what you play when you arrive at the soccer field.
Even the "utility" can be sketchy, as they often hold less than a wagon. But I guess they are a vehicle, 1 out of 3 is still good in some professions. :shades:
Another dumb (possibly local, it looks cheaply made) Toyota theme has hit the air here, too. Random people walk by a new blandbox (Prius, fleet spec Corolla) and exclaim "Look at that new Toyota!" I mean, really. At least show an Avalon or something.
Not the first time the marketing team knows nothing about cars.
There's an ambulance chaser locally asking, "Have you suffered heart attack, stroke, or death?"
Whispering... they see dead people.
Does it show the 2014? Could you give the premise of the ad?
I was critical of the Prius C interior and the salesman gave me the whole recycled-materials-used spiel. I felt like saying they should use new and unused stuff.
Here comes the Hang Over - now I'm getting those follow-up calls, "So, when are you going to come in to buy a car?" The Hyundai guy doesn't even remember I want the pano without the leather/huge rims. :sick:
Never give your number, just your email. That will suffice for them, and you can filter out the nagging.
This is almost 4 seperate ads.
The Volt one feels Prius-ish.
Spark matching colors is neat, but I'm not sure where all the shopping comes from. Maybe they shop too much so a Spark is all they can afford to drive?
Sonic and skate board connection comes from the Rob Dyrdek barrel roll.
Corvette part is cool.
Impala has a Bond-ish guy but it goes by quick.
A little all over the place? What do you guys think?
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With one call so far I'm not too worried.