I was Accord shopping and the sales guy pointed out the Fit and asked if I wanted to drive one. Sure! The model I took out was a manual. The throttle was very touchy, so I shifted up and down without hitting the gas, only letting out the clutch. That car was extremely fun to drive. Responsive, and light. Something that you could toss into turns. Reminded me in some ways of a Mini. Great little car. The gear box is not as precise as that of the Honda V6MT or S2000, but was okay.
It has got great capabilities to haul stuff with the back seats folded down.
Overall, this car is an excellent value. The automatic has features the Accord does not - namely paddle shifters.
Silver storm, baby! yeah dats what I'm talking about. This fit is Hottt! Damn, it is cute, so fine [non-permissible content removed]!
It's more gray than I thought it would be, and it's surprisingly comfortable. I got thirty four inch inseam and with the seat all the way back, my arm are nearly straight at ten and two. But it is fine, nice light steering and you can lay that baby into turns no problem. I usually won't even consider it if my arm are like that on the wheel, works good though.
There is some tire noise/road whatever whenever, no matter. AUX, that's right lots of Ipod input works great, forget that cable. Just plug your player into the jack. Doesn't have radio controls on the wheel and doesn't need it.
doesn't have a map light, don't even care, such a sweet little package. I won't even consider a car without a maplight, don't matter. I telling you this is honda roots! Dis is da bomb. More later I'll send you some pictures. Get one!
I uploaded some photos to a carspace photo album. You'll find them at: http://www.carspace.com/mtngal/.59a370ab/ . There are a number of really neat, little things that I really like - like the back seat center head restraints and seat belts (stored out of the way) and so on. The more I'm around it, the more I like it. The funny thing is that I've been offering to drive more often since we got this car, and my other half keeps turning me down!
I saw a few comments that certain discussions didn't exist... you don't need me to start them You can start them yourself by going to the Fit board http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/.f09fe85/ and clicking "Add a Discussion"
plekto wrote: > --- Dipstick is 1 inch from the manifold. The hole is > facing towards you(with the manifod right behind it), so > either way you pull on it, you risk getting badly burnt.
Um, I think that's the *intake* manifold (should not be hot) at the front of the engine near the dipstick. I could be wrong, but the stainless steel pipes in the back look like they could handle hot exhaust gases better then the plastic pipes up front :P .
My fingers were inches from a set of metal pipes. It sure looked like and felt like an exhaust manifold. Shoot, everything in the engine is spaced within inches of everything else. But the fill locations are just silly. Try to get to the brake fluid. Power steering fluid? Somewhere in that mess. I couldn't find it. Transmission fluid? Yes, it's possible, but I'd gladly sacrifice 5-6 inches of that huge dashboard's wasted space for a more accessable engine compartment. This is probably my only real gripe about new cars in general - they have this VW Beetle-esque acre of dashboard and a windshield pushed out forward like a fishbowl. Seeing the hood becomes a lost cause.
I honestly wondered if they would have to pull the entire engine to replace the water pump. Mini, Audi, GM, and many others are guilty of this as well.
Well, I am looking to buy my first car and I have looked at both the Yaris and the Fit. I looked at all the necessities and accessories I wanted in my first car and with all the necessities and accessories coming either standard or as an option, the Fit was better priced over the Yaris (at MSRP.) I actually test drove the Fit with AT and I like the handling of the FIT even on curvy roads. I have not test driven the new Yaris yet. Between both cars, I am leaning towards the Orange Metallic Fit Sport with the new 5 speed AT with the paddle shifters. The paddle shifters are a lot of fun!!! My questions are:
1. How will the new 5 speed AT hold up with the new paddle shift system? Any reason the 5 speed AT will break down or wear down sooner than expected? From my knowledge, the Fit’s paddle shifters will be first to be in a production Honda vehicle. My feelings are if it does break down sooner than expected (but beyond the warranty period), the cost to fix the transmission will be huge.
2. How about the insurance cost for a new car without having the crash tests performed on it yet? Will the insurance cost be reduced with all the safety features such as all the airbags installed on the Fit? I am 23 years old, male, not married and will mainly be using this gas sipper to commute to and from work.
Any comments and thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. :shades:
I am an ardent supporter of putting 8-way adjustable driver's seats into even small, inexpensive cars like the Fit, so that most drivers can find a comfortable driving position. And that great seat isn't just in the Rio5 with the sport package--it's even in the base Rio (and Accent) which list for around $11k. Maybe Honda and Hyundai/Kia can make a trade--the magic seat copyright for the seat adjuster copyright.
plekto wrote: > My fingers were inches from a set of metal pipes. > It sure looked like and felt like an exhaust manifold.
The pipes up front do indeed seem to be metal (my bad ). It appears that Honda made a design change to the L15A VTEC engine (can someone confirm that the L15A VTEC is the engine used in the US Fit?). However, from my *very* limited time looking under the hood of a US Fit, these are still intake runners.
The L-series engines are a bit unusual in that they place the intake plenum on top of the engine, rather than in-front/in-back as is more common among contemporary engines. This plenum is the origin of the pipes you see up-front. The exhaust collector headers are in the rear of L-series engines and not nice and parallel like the intake runners. They are probably pretty hard to see from a Fit engine bay (I didn't go looking for them) as they are quite a bit lower (coming from the side of the head) than the top of what we see as the engine. The TOVA Special Technical Feature Honda's new L-Series Engine article provides a good reference for the general design features of the L-series engines.
I agree with your point about fill/check locations being poorly positioned and marked. Much of the time I spent "under the hood" was used looking for the same things you mentioned. I suppose we will get used to them over time, but finding them in poor lighting will always be a challenge.
for question one the.....the transmission is the same as the new civic, and paddle shifters are on the 2005 acura RL. sorry i can not help with insurance costs
It is the L15 SOHC VTEC (L15A1 to be exact). Mechanically it should be almost identical to the rest of the world although a few changes have been made for US EPA, the color of the intake pipes, and possibly some computer code here and there. In fact, the entire engine compartment looks practically the same as the European Jazz.
While those pipes are metal, they are in fact the intake pipes. The exhaust goes straight out the back of the engine. The US/Canadian market L-series engine is different in the sense that the intake pipes are the silvery metal, rather than the black on the European and Japanese versions. I am not sure what the black material is on the European Jazz (I never checked)...could be plastic.
The intake pipes do get hot, but they shouldn't scald you. After a nice long drive, the pipes were merely warm. 10 and 20 minutes later they were hot, but still could be touched for any length of time. Be careful though! I don't want to be held responsible for burned fingers.
All that would be required is a 90 degree rotation of the dipstick handle so you pull it from the side.
I hope the next generation Fit addresses this and also gives us leather and a sunroof. Oh - and rear disc brakes.
Gheez - if *China* can get leather and a sunroof, what's wrong with Honda? They treat us like illiterate yokels or something with how they always give us the worst version of anything they release - or years later than the rest of the planet.
You would think that their largest foriegn market would get the best they have to offer. As it is, we don't even get the locking gas cap. It's a good car, but somehow it's also wrong at the same time. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth having to settle for a worse version than Mexico and Canada get.
yes, dealer installed. 380 USD with door panels. Quality close to leather in a CRV.
Seems this way of doing frequent in China.
I also can't believe Map lights, Gas door lock and and Trip consumption computer may not be available in US fits. Maybe someone will confirm. The absence of CVT / Roof option is glaring enough
Whenever I go out, I often find myself parking near another Fit. There are so many on the road that one can not claim any exclusivity owning one here.
it is like Honda were afraid to make a hit with their fit in the US. Or they wanted to protect their Civic. the Fit should not be positioned against Korean competition but as a premium micro car (in content of course, not in price)
made a short trip today, 6 adults, 4 in the back. the availabe room is indeed convincing.
It's my understanding from reading Fit forums elswhere that Honda left the sunroof off of NA Fits in order to keep the frame stiffer to get higher crash test ratings. Crash safety/ratings are also the main reason why the NA Fits are noticeably longer in the front and rear than Fits in the rest of the world. Personally, I hate sunroofs anyway, so good riddence I say -- a stiffer chassis has a lot more benefit than the sun beating down on my head from a sunroof.
So are you saying that the Fit would be marginal in crash ratings if there was a sunroof? If not, then why no sunroof for only the Fit? Why not delete the sunroof for every other model in order to maximize crash ratings. Don't get me wrong, I too think sunroofs are utterly useless, but I'm not sure they did it solely to improve crash ratings. Also, I'm not sure a sunroof affects crash ratings. Maybe rollover ratings.
The NA Fit is longer front and rear due to NA bumper laws, is it not?
"The NA Fit is longer front and rear due to NA bumper laws, is it not?"
The frame is the same size as the rest of the world, but the entire front bumper unit (the area under the hood too) is considerably longer (about 4-4.5 inches) and consequently the hood, headlights, etc. have been elongated slightly. It appears keeping the general design the same was a priority as well, because where the panels line-up to the headlights and everything is the same, just stretched out a bit. They wanted to make sure the car met 5mph bumper standards, which explains the change.
I am amazed about hungarian83 knowledge about the Fit. How did you get so much information? Do you work for Honda? The new generation of the Fit is suppose to be released in Japan in the next year. When do you think the new generation will get to the USA? Do you think we will ever see the 5 door Civic which is now being sold in the UK?
"So are you saying that the Fit would be marginal in crash ratings if there was a sunroof?" It's not like the Fit will be crap in a crash with a sunroof and stellar without one. I read elsewhere in these forums (maybe earlier in this thread, I can't remember) from someone seemingly "in the know" who said that the reason Honda isn't providing a sunroof option in US Fits is because they want the Fit to receive the highest possible safety rating based on US tests; this person said that with a sunroof, the Fit might "only" get a 4-star safety rating, but that with the slightly greater rigidity having no sunroof would make possible, Honda expects the Fit to get a full 5-star safety rating. So apparently Honda thinks the Fit would do well either with or without a sunroof, and is just opting for nothing less than the best rating they can attain.
I love cars ever since I was a kid, so I know a lot about them and am always interested. I followed the launch of the Jazz when it came out in Europe. I actually got most of my information from TOV Asia's reviews (and in depth articles) of the Jazz. Also, a Hungarian car website and show (Totalcar) did a review a few years back of the Jazz which gave me lots of info. They also really liked the Jazz and have used it in comparsions, etc. which also gave lots of information on handling, design, and so forth. I also have taken a very good look at the European Jazz, and I own a US market Fit, so I can easily compare everything.
No, I don't work for Honda. I don't know when Honda will release the next generation Fit to the US. My guess is as good as anyones. I think the Civic 5-door is destined for Europe only at this point.
w9cw, When I said frame, I meant the structural part of the car...the unibody. Sorry for the confusion.
When I adjust the horizontal motion of the front seat and adjust the back of the front seat and the tilting of the steering wheel, I still feel as if I am holding onto the steering wheel at almost arm's length. Since the Fit does not have vertical movement of the front seat or a telescoping steering wheel, I was thinking that maybe a good seat cushion that can raise one might alleviate some of this problem for adjusting for both leg length and arm length. Anyone found any solutions for this problem?
The insurance on the Fit will be about 10% more than a Yaris. I know because I have extensively researched the matter. Despite the extra standard safety features of the Fit, it's more to insure than a Yaris, because Hondas are more likely to get stolen. At least that's the explanation I got.
Also, I don't understand how you are saying that a Fit is costing you less. You should really compare a Yaris to a Fit and a Yaris S to a Fit Sport... that's how they "fit". And you will see that the Yaris is atleast $1,000 cheaper in both cases. Also, in the standard Fit, you don't even get an Mp3 player!
Honda civic 5 doors w/ diesel get close to 50 mpg. A fit w/ same motor should easily pass the 50 mpg mark...As vw tdi owners are claiming actual highway miles close to 60 mpg I think a fit would easily match those numbers.
The CTDI engine is what we need in the Fit as well. They are using U.K. gallons, but that still translates into 45-50MPG average. In a lighter Fit, you would get maybe a second slower 0-60 times, but 60mpg highway, easily. Torque is more than the S2000, though, so it passes and moves in city traffic probably as well as a Cooper S.
No need for a hybrid. Just drop this engine in it.
Where the heck is anyone going that a couple of extra seconds is that important? Obviously, acceleration has a lot to do with factors other than time constraints. I think oil is in short supply world wide, and a lot of experts thinks so too. Not to get into why US troops are in Iraq, but oil seems to be very precious. I say the Fit is a somewhat better answer to peak oil than something with worse fuel economy. Of course, I didn't factor all the energy it takes to make the car! If I truly took the oil shortage seriously, I would stick with my Tercel, and make sure tune ups and oil changes were done religiously, not to mention tire pressure checks.
However, the Fit is much lighter than cars that use the 2.2 i-CTDi engine...the Accord and European Civic 5-door.
Make a 1.7 or 1.8L version of that same engine, and you would have even better fuel economy, and it would be a much better fit (no pun intended) for the Fit/Jazz.
In response to nwng, the European Jazz doesn't have a diesel option. Just the 1.2 and 1.4 i-DSI gasoline engines.
I checked out a Sport fit this weekend. WHAT CRAP! This car has a Yugo feel/look to it. The door jams and doors are horribly constructed. Just horrible. The quality of the interior materials are about as low as it gets. Just awful. Very very cheap feel all the way around.
We own a Honda Civic hatchback DX made in 1995, and the quality crushes this new "Fit". Not even close.
I checked out a Sport fit this weekend. WHAT CRAP! This car has a Yugo feel/look to it. The door jams and doors are horribly constructed. Just horrible. The quality of the interior materials are about as low as it gets. Just awful. Very very cheap feel all the way around.
We own a Honda Civic hatchback DX made in 1995, and the quality crushes this new "Fit". Not even close.
Your cracked or on crack. Remember kids always surf the internet sober. You are so off the mark it's hilarious.
I checked out a Sport fit this weekend. WHAT CRAP! This car has a Yugo feel/look to it. The door jams and doors are horribly constructed. Just horrible. The quality of the interior materials are about as low as it gets. Just awful. Very very cheap feel all the way around.
We own a Honda Civic hatchback DX made in 1995, and the quality crushes this new "Fit". Not even close.
Your cracked or on crack. Remember kids always surf the internet sober.
The truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle. It is definitely not Yugo quality, but it is the entry level Honda. And you can tell simply by comparing it side-by-side to the next model in the Honda food chain -- the Civic, which does have a more upscale look in/out.
Don't forget that the comparison (both interior and exterior) also lies with a car that debuted in 2001 vs. 2006.
As an owner, as opposed to someone who says they visited the dealership, I can say that the refinement is best in the segment and quality is excellent. Despite the use of hard plastics in several areas, it just doesn't feel cheap.
Well, the doors jams are horrible. The metal surrounding the windows is thin and rough looking. The fit and finish of the doors is simply bad. The doors sound VERY hollow. Definately not solid when they open and close. They sound alot like the Nissan truck I used to own.
The plastics, carpeting and apholstery isn't even in the same class as my 95 Civic.
I will give you that the floor covering is not actually carpet, but some kind of molded felt-like kinda thing. If I thought it wouldn't be too expensive, I would consider having the floor covering replaced with real carpeting.
Instead of carpet how about the rubber matting like in an Element? - also on the front and rear seat backs - now that would make Fit a flexible hauler!
I'm not sure you actually have to own the thing to observe quality. And my point was not to compare it to other cars in its segment, whatever that may be. I was just pointing out that it is the entry-level Honda, the low man on the Honda totem pole. And while I did not find the overall quality out of place (in fact it has some upscale touches, such as the instrument cluster, the seat material in the Sport, the leather-wrapped steering wheel), it also makes no bones about the fact that it is an econobox (lots of hard plastic, the joke they call carpeting, the wheel covers on the base, etc).
everyone is responding to the "crap" analogy as if it had merit. we're not talking lexus here. this is an entry level vehicle. the only criticism that the posters on this forum and the "experts" agree on is the cheap carpeting. most everyone appears to be impressed with the overall looks, feel, and handling of the fit. you are all reacting as if baseknock's word is the gospel. from what i've found doing my research is baseknock is in a minority. he's allowed his opinion... even if he's wrong.
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It has got great capabilities to haul stuff with the back seats folded down.
Overall, this car is an excellent value. The automatic has features the Accord does not - namely paddle shifters.
It's more gray than I thought it would be, and it's surprisingly comfortable. I got thirty four inch inseam and with the seat all the way back, my arm are nearly straight at ten and two. But it is fine, nice light steering and you can lay that baby into turns no problem. I usually won't even consider it if my arm are like that on the wheel, works good though.
There is some tire noise/road whatever whenever, no matter. AUX, that's right lots of Ipod input works great, forget that cable. Just plug your player into the jack. Doesn't have radio controls on the wheel and doesn't need it.
doesn't have a map light, don't even care, such a sweet little package. I won't even consider a car without a maplight, don't matter. I telling you this is honda roots! Dis is da bomb. More later I'll send you some pictures. Get one!
Honda Fit Care - Interior & Exterior
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/.f0c37a3
Honda Fit Maintenance
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/.f0c37ac
> --- Dipstick is 1 inch from the manifold. The hole is
> facing towards you(with the manifod right behind it), so
> either way you pull on it, you risk getting badly burnt.
Um, I think that's the *intake* manifold (should not be hot) at the front of the engine near the dipstick. I could be wrong, but the stainless steel pipes in the back look like they could handle hot exhaust gases better then the plastic pipes up front :P .
I honestly wondered if they would have to pull the entire engine to replace the water pump. Mini, Audi, GM, and many others are guilty of this as well.
Door panels are trimmed as well
1. How will the new 5 speed AT hold up with the new paddle shift system? Any reason the 5 speed AT will break down or wear down sooner than expected? From my knowledge, the Fit’s paddle shifters will be first to be in a production Honda vehicle. My feelings are if it does break down sooner than expected (but beyond the warranty period), the cost to fix the transmission will be huge.
2. How about the insurance cost for a new car without having the crash tests performed on it yet? Will the insurance cost be reduced with all the safety features such as all the airbags installed on the Fit? I am 23 years old, male, not married and will mainly be using this gas sipper to commute to and from work.
Any comments and thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. :shades:
> My fingers were inches from a set of metal pipes.
> It sure looked like and felt like an exhaust manifold.
The pipes up front do indeed seem to be metal (my bad
The L-series engines are a bit unusual in that they place the intake plenum on top of the engine, rather than in-front/in-back as is more common among contemporary engines. This plenum is the origin of the pipes you see up-front. The exhaust collector headers are in the rear of L-series engines and not nice and parallel like the intake runners. They are probably pretty hard to see from a Fit engine bay (I didn't go looking for them) as they are quite a bit lower (coming from the side of the head) than the top of what we see as the engine. The TOVA Special Technical Feature Honda's new L-Series Engine article provides a good reference for the general design features of the L-series engines.
I agree with your point about fill/check locations being poorly positioned and marked. Much of the time I spent "under the hood" was used looking for the same things you mentioned. I suppose we will get used to them over time, but finding them in poor lighting will always be a challenge.
While those pipes are metal, they are in fact the intake pipes. The exhaust goes straight out the back of the engine. The US/Canadian market L-series engine is different in the sense that the intake pipes are the silvery metal, rather than the black on the European and Japanese versions. I am not sure what the black material is on the European Jazz (I never checked)...could be plastic.
The intake pipes do get hot, but they shouldn't scald you. After a nice long drive, the pipes were merely warm. 10 and 20 minutes later they were hot, but still could be touched for any length of time. Be careful though! I don't want to be held responsible for burned fingers.
http://asia.vtec.net/Series/FitJazz/lseries/
I hope the next generation Fit addresses this and also gives us leather and a sunroof. Oh - and rear disc brakes.
Gheez - if *China* can get leather and a sunroof, what's wrong with Honda? They treat us like illiterate yokels or something with how they always give us the worst version of anything they release - or years later than the rest of the planet.
You would think that their largest foriegn market would get the best they have to offer. As it is, we don't even get the locking gas cap. It's a good car, but somehow it's also wrong at the same time. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth having to settle for a worse version than Mexico and Canada get.
Seems this way of doing frequent in China.
I also can't believe Map lights, Gas door lock and and Trip consumption computer may not be available in US fits. Maybe someone will confirm. The absence of CVT / Roof option is glaring enough
Whenever I go out, I often find myself parking near another Fit. There are so many on the road that one can not claim any exclusivity owning one here.
it is like Honda were afraid to make a hit with their fit in the US. Or they wanted to protect their Civic. the Fit should not be positioned against Korean competition but as a premium micro car (in content of course, not in price)
made a short trip today, 6 adults, 4 in the back. the availabe room is indeed convincing.
The NA Fit is longer front and rear due to NA bumper laws, is it not?
The frame is the same size as the rest of the world, but the entire front bumper unit (the area under the hood too) is considerably longer (about 4-4.5 inches) and consequently the hood, headlights, etc. have been elongated slightly. It appears keeping the general design the same was a priority as well, because where the panels line-up to the headlights and everything is the same, just stretched out a bit.
They wanted to make sure the car met 5mph bumper standards, which explains the change.
It's not like the Fit will be crap in a crash with a sunroof and stellar without one. I read elsewhere in these forums (maybe earlier in this thread, I can't remember) from someone seemingly "in the know" who said that the reason Honda isn't providing a sunroof option in US Fits is because they want the Fit to receive the highest possible safety rating based on US tests; this person said that with a sunroof, the Fit might "only" get a 4-star safety rating, but that with the slightly greater rigidity having no sunroof would make possible, Honda expects the Fit to get a full 5-star safety rating. So apparently Honda thinks the Fit would do well either with or without a sunroof, and is just opting for nothing less than the best rating they can attain.
I also have taken a very good look at the European Jazz, and I own a US market Fit, so I can easily compare everything.
No, I don't work for Honda.
I don't know when Honda will release the next generation Fit to the US. My guess is as good as anyones. I think the Civic 5-door is destined for Europe only at this point.
w9cw,
When I said frame, I meant the structural part of the car...the unibody. Sorry for the confusion.
Also, I don't understand how you are saying that a Fit is costing you less. You should really compare a Yaris to a Fit and a Yaris S to a Fit Sport... that's how they "fit". And you will see that the Yaris is atleast $1,000 cheaper in both cases. Also, in the standard Fit, you don't even get an Mp3 player!
Toyota Yaris S Sedan Manual Transmission(Southeast Toyota)base price= $13960
Add Power Pack with Alloy Wheels +1350
Add Curtain Airbags +650
Add foglamps +110
Add keyless entry +230
Total MSRP = $16,300
These two vehicles are comparably equipped. The difference is not $1000 in favor of the Yaris. It is actually, $580 in favor of the Fit.
I can't imagine putting four American 6,X Footers in the back of a fit, especially if a bit overweight!
A fit w/ same motor should easily pass the 50 mpg mark...As vw tdi owners are claiming actual highway miles close to 60 mpg I think a fit would easily match those numbers.
The CTDI engine is what we need in the Fit as well. They are using U.K. gallons, but that still translates into 45-50MPG average. In a lighter Fit, you would get maybe a second slower 0-60 times, but 60mpg highway, easily. Torque is more than the S2000, though, so it passes and moves in city traffic probably as well as a Cooper S.
No need for a hybrid. Just drop this engine in it.
I wonder if honda will ever put a diesel in their civics and accords over here. I wish my ody has their 2.2 diesel.
Make a 1.7 or 1.8L version of that same engine, and you would have even better fuel economy, and it would be a much better fit (no pun intended) for the Fit/Jazz.
In response to nwng, the European Jazz doesn't have a diesel option. Just the 1.2 and 1.4 i-DSI gasoline engines.
We own a Honda Civic hatchback DX made in 1995, and the quality crushes this new "Fit". Not even close.
All I can say is "P-A-S-S".
We own a Honda Civic hatchback DX made in 1995, and the quality crushes this new "Fit". Not even close.
Your cracked or on crack. Remember kids always surf the internet sober. You are so off the mark it's hilarious.
We own a Honda Civic hatchback DX made in 1995, and the quality crushes this new "Fit". Not even close.
Your cracked or on crack. Remember kids always surf the internet sober.
Well, my comments still stand. This car is unrefined and not typical of a the Honda quality we've come to expect.
As an owner, as opposed to someone who says they visited the dealership, I can say that the refinement is best in the segment and quality is excellent. Despite the use of hard plastics in several areas, it just doesn't feel cheap.
The plastics, carpeting and apholstery isn't even in the same class as my 95 Civic.
Just my opinion. To each their own.
the only criticism that the posters on this forum and the "experts" agree on is the cheap carpeting. most everyone appears to be impressed with the overall looks, feel, and handling of the fit.
you are all reacting as if baseknock's word is the gospel.
from what i've found doing my research is baseknock is in a minority.
he's allowed his opinion... even if he's wrong.