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In my opinion the 4cyl is on unsafe to be diven on US roads.
Don't get your floor mats in a gnurl.
What do I see when I look at Scion? I see a rebadged Toyo with a better "quality" rating than the recent Camry line. My definition of "quality" is a long sweep on the Scion forum to see the low number of complaints versus the higher amount noted on the Toyota Camry forum. All I have to do is look at the number of complaints for each. It's just that simple.
Well it's obviously not that simple. You totally ignored the quantity of vehicles sold of each make...the sample size.
One complaint out of three vehicles sold, is a much worse percentage of problems than 10 complaints out of 1000 vehicles sold. (Not the actual numbers)
See message #5380 in Toyota Engine sludge and #4829 in Toyota Camry: Problems & Solutions - READ ONLY". The generation 4 engines were not as tolerant of neglect as most engines.
I would not do business with this salesperson, and I would keep your '05. It is almost always best financially to keep your old car, and it is still pretty new. I only get new ones after they are over 10 years old, and my old Toyotas never let me down!
Keep it and wait a couple of years to see what's going on with the petrol situation. Who knows, there may be some viable alternatives to oil that could be in the newer models. With petrol prices slapping the $100.00 mark, it's not that far fetched.
Just my $.02 here but I'd keep what you got if it's running trouble free. Save the $ for a 2010 model.
The Sandman
I bought a 2007 Camry 2 month ago (5200 miles now), I noticed the hesitation, rough idling and vibration over 80 mph.
Dealer says everything is normal. I don't believe them. What shall I do? I am thinking of dumping the car at their door steps. I don't enjoy driving that car anymore and I have 5 years to go. Help?
Vibration is a different issue, could be wheels need to be balanced, bad tire, alignment off, etc. If you do not get satisfaction from your dealer, either complain to Toyota about that dealer or go to another Toyota dealer.
As long as you have a decent dealer, they will follow the TSB procedure, which involves connecting the car to an alternate battery source. And if they schedule correctly, you should have it back in 1/2 hour. That's how long it took my dealer, from the time they took the car out of the drop off area to the time they brought it back to me.
There must be advantages to keeping it a voluntarily program, implemented as a TSB.
Seems though they've forgotten the meaning of customer-centricity and good communication.
The previous poster indicating their service department claims the TSB is identical to the one released earlier - now that's classic. Almost as non-genuine as "They all operate this way", "Everything is normal", "Operating as designed", "Cannot duplicate".
Shame. :sick:
ALso, the tires they said I need to contact the manufacturer. SO its off to Bridgestone I call.
Is that right? I need to contact the tire mftr. for that?
My tires have 13K on them and they're horribly low tread. :lemon:
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Phil
My 4 cyl LE 2007, with approx 22K miles on it, idles when warmed up at about 750RPM. It is halfway between the 500 and 1000 ticks on the tachometer. This is without the airconditioner on, DRL on, radiator fans OFF, and car and completely warmed up and has been driven around local area.
I do also have the TSB on, but I'd indicate that none of the TSB's have ever appeared to effect idling.
The RPM's are obviously higher when the engine is cold and warming up. I did take care for the first 1K miles breaking it in carefully/reasonably.
Have you considered swapping to a different gasoline dealer to see if that has any effect?
THey did oil change, they balanced the car for FREE. It was pulling to the right. The shake is still there and as noticable as b4.
They did say my tires being down to 4/32nds was UNUSUAL BUT most cars need rubber between 15 and 18K..
THATS UNACCEPTABLE. He didnt care but did offer to get me a set of Michelin Exalto A/S at the low low low low price of
ARE YOU GUYS SITTING DOWN???
$640.00 :mad:
Geeee thanks but no thanks....
SO in closing, the car needs tires at 14,000 miles, the pull to the right seems ok, the hesitation seems to be gone but the car shaking seems to be related to tire need.
Once again, anyone have $500.00 for me to buy tires? :P
That's a good one. What a line.
When you get new treads, I'd recommend a 4wheel alignment.
First I'd look on www.tirerack.com to see what the reviews are for tires compatible with your rims, and compare to your OEMs. No doubt your OEMs are lower-grade, but I think 14K is just unacceptable.
Shop around, sometimes tire stores have a 3 for the price of 4 deal, or you can get a manufacturer's rebate (check the Michelin site).
In Texas and the gulf States, the distributor ( Port, Inc. ) makes a tire plan available to all its dealers, and I took it for my 2007. they way it works is that it's good for 50,000 miles. Every 5,000 miles, you bring your car in for rotation ( which I would do anyway ), and for each rotation you get credit. If you went the full 50K ( highly unlikely, of course) you'd get a $500 rebate on your new tires. At about 30K ( which is waht I would target ), the rebate is about $300. So, even if the dealer's prices are higher than WalMart, the rebate brings them down.
Haven't heard anyone around here who took it complain. See if it's not available in your area.
chuck_in-texas
I have priced tires online at Tirerack and at a local NTB.
I guess Iam kinda up the creek without a paddle cause in PA its going to be snowing soon {anytime after mid Nov. maybe} and its every hilly. We cant get away with summer only tires here even with some AWD vehicles. I bought my wife a set of Michelin Hydro Edge and they {4} cost me over $500.00
Guess I gotta pony up and buy something decent.
They are expensive, but I would say they are worth every penny. Great tires!
I own a 2007 V6 XLE Toyota Camry with 19000+ miles. It will be one year old in January. When I purchased this vehicle, it had either Bridgestone of Firestone tires on it at the time. (I can't remember!) Since I don't like either brand, I had the dealer replace the tires with Michelin tires, before I took delivery of the vehicle. By choice, I service my verhicle every 2,500 miles, and the tires are rotated every 5,000 miles. To date, the vehicle does not have any vibration, and it tracks straight on the road! I have had this vehicle up to 80mph on turnpikes, and I could let the wheel go, and it would not pull to either side.
SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO YOU WITH A "PROBLEM VEHICLE"?
1.) I would first have the tires on the car checked for being "out of round", and to see if the tread in mounted on the casing of the tire properly. It is possible that there is a manufacturers defect on one or more of your tires.
2.) I would have the wheels checked for damage.
My first guess it that you have a set of problem tires. All the balancing and alignment in the world is not going to correct a construction problem with tires. (THIS COULD BE VERY DANGEROUS!)
I always use Michelin tires on my vehicles. I had a set of Michelin tires on my 2003 4 cylinder Honda Accord. I replaced them at 50,000 miles because I picked up a large screw that totally destroyed one tire. I replaced the tires with the same original equipment Michelin tires. I traded the vehicle with the second set of tires at around 90,000 miles.
When you replace the tires, have a four wheel alignment done at the same time!
Best regards. -----Dwayne :shades:
i don't know how NTB (sears?) compares to the other outlets where you are. sometimes a tire you want isn't available at each chain (or each store at a particular chain). makes comparison price shopping a challenge. the paper often advertises specials, so it's good to look. and it doesn't hurt to ask if a store is running a special or about to.
chances are, you're gonna get much better mileage out of the replacements.
i just make it a point never to put a new set of expensive tires on a vehicle that may have gone out of alignment over the span of the service from the previous set. it adds real expense, but i think it's worth it. in your case, your vehicle may never have been in proper alignment to begin with, or one good curb hit or road debris hit...
for that matter, the way i see some of these vehicles dogged down on the vehicle transports, i wonder if some of them in the oddly precarious positions have undue stressors placed on the tires or suspension components before they reach the dealerships. hmmm.
then again, a lost balance weight or a tire with a defective set of bands. these are things all of us have experienced from time to time right?
personally, if I can get 40K out of a set of tires, I consider myself doing pretty well. i've got a set of michelin harmonys on my accord that have given me 45K thus far. still plenty of tread. in the south, i don't have a need for a snow tire so i consider myself lucky in that regard. i've had good experiences with michelins on several cars.
happy hunting.
FWIW, I still have the original Dunlop tires on my 1995 Camry. And they have never been rotated. They still have a good thread and should more than hold out till I pick up a new car in the next few months.
Granted I only have 49,000 miles on the car...
Mackabee
Safety FIRST...!!!
I dont want Bridgestones, even if they are 72% off.
Well maybe. I might break down and get the Potenza G-009
They looked good performance and decent all weather.
I do want to get either Yokohama AVID TRZ or Michelin Exalto A/S
But thats gonna set me back $400+ for the Yoko and almost $600 for the Exaltos
I put Goodyear Assurance Comfortred on the Altima and it also cured the vibrations.
My preference is the Goodyear - a phenominally quiet tire with a very cushioned and smooth ride. It completely transformed the Altima. I have recommended this tire to friends with Camrys and they also like the Comfortred.
I think your car has Continentals too. Press the dealer to replace them with either of the above tires which are a good match for your car. If the Toyota dealer won't, (and they probably won't do ANYTHING for you) then go to Discount Tire, buy the tires and have them balanced using a Hunter GSP 9700 Road Force.
Discount Tire will "trade-in" your used tires for $20 or $30 each toward the cost of the new tires.