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Land Rover Discovery and Discovery II

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  • About the sagging aft corner...Ever since nanuq put it to my attention I've been noticing it on every parked Disco I ! I can honestly say I haven't made an effort to look at the D II(I'm not really a fan). Now, maybe it was a blonde moment I was having; but I noticed the sagging only occurs on the side of the spare tire and only in the rear....I thought the weight of the spare was the cause...gee, i'm feeling air headed! BUT, I just replaced the original shocks with Bilsteins and the springs are in great shape...someone please make me a brunette again!!!.....and what's with the 235lb dog!!!WOW.
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    It's simplest to say the stock springs are apparently made of tinfoil, and will sag after only a short while. And, more weirdness: all four corners of the DI call for different spring rates. Is it because of 235# dogs? Or is it just the fun-loving Brits?


    Many people quickly realize you don't want to replace tinfoil springs more than once, so if they're unlucky enough to replace them on their own nickel they go with Old Man Emu springs or other alternates.


    Take a look at the Discoweb, there's a tech section that's loaded with good info.


      http://www.discoweb.org/index2.html


    Regards, -Bob

  • That would explain it. Nice stuff.
  • woodywwwoodyww Posts: 1,803
    Well, I'm a newbie RR owner, having just purchased a '98 4.6 with 31K miles. It appears to be in mint condition, with service history at a LR dealer, a very conscientious first owner, & almost no repairs needed in 2 1/2 years. I have 2 basic questions:

    Are the '98 RR's more reliable than previous years? (In one post on another site I saw the '95-'96 RR's referred to as "test beds").

    And, is it worth it to purchase a LR extended warranty at $1350 per year? Even though this is my first LR, I've been lurking & posting on this board & others for some time so I know how expensive LR's are to repair (which is probably answering my own question). However, I do tend to put very low miles on my vehicles (as low as 5,000 miles/year).....also I'm wondering if I bought say 2 more years of warranty; if things wouldn't just start to go right after that? Of course, there's also peace of mind to consider......

    Also want to say that I got a lot of good advice on this board last year, from wasko & others, when I was shopping for a Disco. I just went a little crazy tho & went for this RR. Only thing bugging me is the 10mpg in mixed town & highway driving.... Worse than I expected!

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks, Steve
  • waskowasko Posts: 103
    Woodyww:


    Hanging out with my service guys at LR (which I get to do quite often :), we got on the subject of Range Rover repairs one day.


    They were mentioning that if you dent a rim that it costs $600 to replace the rim.


    One oxygen sensor for your exhaust is $200, one catalytic converter is around $1800, the complete exhaust assembly (minus catalytic) would be somewhere between $500-700. So, replace the entire exhaust system (plus labor) and you're looking at around $2700-2800.


    Not sure what air suspension costs to get fixed, but I would think that it isn't cheap.


    I personally would pay the $2700 for the extended warranty. If you never use it, consider yourself fortunate! If you need to use it, you'll be glad you have it - kinda like homeowners insurance.


    I was on another mailing list for Disco's and a lot of the guys there were buying 3rd party warranties for their Discos - goto www.msn.com and search for: auto warranty --- you'll get quite a few hits. In some cases, these can be half of the dealer's warranty, and some have a deductible (like the first $50-200 of a repair), which may make great sense.


    I put in a 98 Range Rover, 32,000 miles, with manufacturer's warranty still left on the vehicle and I received the following from http://www.auto-extended-car-warranty.com/:

    5 Years 75000 miles $2195


    So, if you're not opposed to paying a deductible and waiting 30-60 days for reimbursement, an aftermarket warranty may be a good option.


    Thanks - wasko

  • I am considering a few SUV's needed to tow a 4500lb boat (dual axle, approx 500lb tongue weight). The SUV will also be used as a recreational off road vehicle, not just a grocery getter as they commonly are these days. I want a 4x4 with a V8 but don't want a Ford or other uneccessarily large vehicle. This leaves only a few options - Jeep Grand Cherokee, Dodge Durango or Dakota Quad Cab. Is the Disco II a capable, comfortable, & safe vehicle to consider with the aforementioned towing needs? Any feedback/input would be greatly appreciated. Thank, Dan
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    The MB ML430 can tow up to 5000 lbs and is suitable for light to medium off-road duties. You may want to consider it as well. The M-class topic is the place for you to ask any questions for that particular vehicle.

    As for safety, the IIHS's website is a good place to start:
    http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/summary_midsuv.htm

    Happy hunting!

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  • woodywwwoodyww Posts: 1,803
    wasko: Thanks for the advice on buying an extended warranty. Pretty much what I had been thinking myself, but I wanted to hear it from a more experienced LR owner before plunking down the $$$$. I will check out your suggestions for aftermarket warranties, but I'm thinking the LR warranty might make everything simpler & easier in event of a claim.

    The RR is growing on me (not that I didn't really like it at first). Very nimble handling for an SUV; as around off ramps & such. Stereo is not bad but not great & I may start looking into upgrading either the speakers, or the head unit, not sure which is the weak link yet altho I imagine upgrading the head unit would not allow use of the steering wheel controls. Any advice from anyone re: upgrading the stereo?

    Thanks again, woodyww
  • I've been seriously considering buying a new 2001 II. I'm glad I came across this posting. I'm researching the vehicle and now fully understand what I might be getting myself into. It seems that most have problems, which my desire to have this vehicle will overcome (love/hate, how great!). So, the most important question seems to be, which dealer? I live in Northern Virginia so my choices will be, from closest to furthest, AR of Alexandrian, HBL of Tysons, AR of Rockville, or AR of Richmond. Any input about any of these dealerships would be greatly appreciated. I will be waiting (12-18 months) to see what impact Ford's ownership of AR will have on the Disco line. If anyone hears of the future changes being made, please let me know. I will definitely purchase before, if and when, Ford makes it a "Discoplorer" but would like to wait for possible quality upgrades on the current model line. Thanks to all.
  • neo5neo5 Posts: 12
    IGRAY, is it LEGAL for wolverines to mary a buckeye?? My wife (class of '89) and I ('88) are Maize and Blue through and through.

    Search for the SD7 (we have two children 2 and 5 y/o, and one on the way -- PLUS, we are car-pooling with two snotty kids next door. That is one infant-seat + todler seat + 5 y/o in the backseat AND two Prozac kids in the third row -- NO, they do NOT get A/C nor their own stereo!!) took us now to the dealership in Grand Rapids.
    Apparently the SD7 we were working on at Farmington dealership has gone AWOL! We have only dealt with G.R. dealers through telephone, but the pricing once again has been VERY reasonable.

    My advice to you is to get in on that X-plan buisiness (you MUST know somebody who works for the Ford). We asked my wife's friend's husband to get us into the plan and it was certainly worth our while!!

    I plan to pick up the SD7 within next two weeks or so, and with the X-plan, we are looking at no $ down and 530$/mo @ 12000mi/yr.

    And you guys thought that FoMoCo was only famous for those exploding tires!!

    I will let you know how things went (and if the trip to Grand Rapids was worth it).

    (Almost about to go) Happy Rovering!!
  • hoos1hoos1 Posts: 13
    We used to live in Charlottesville and purchased our '99 Disco II SE from the Richmond dealer. They wouldn't deal at all on price so from that respect you might do better in the NoVa area. However, their service was great. They would drive to C-ville to pick our car up for oil changes, etc and leave us a loaner car. We definitely have a love-hate relationship with this SUV. We love the styling, driver position but the ride is harsh and loud and gas mileage is terrible. we've recently looked at other SUV's -Toyota LC, Lexus LX, BMW X5- while they all are great - smooth, great handling, quiet, etc - none have the "personality" and exterior styling of our Disco. So, we won't be doing anything soon and anxious to see what the Ford buyout brings.
  • gpvsgpvs Posts: 214
    I bought my '97 Disco at LR at Rockville and have had service experiences at LR of Alexandria and HBL of Tysons. I would buy from the Rockville and Alexandria dealers before I would even set foot on HBL. IMO, LR of Alexandria and Rockville are both great "LR Centres". When I purchased mine before, there were no pressure whatsoever from the sales person.
  • I recently purchased my "previously enjoyed" LR at LR of Rockville in Rockville, MD. I loved the defenders and was sad that they stopped making them back in 97. I got my LR defender 90 in AA yellow for just over $35k. it has 30k miles on it and i feel that i got a bargin. I hope LR makes the defender again soon so i can have one for my next car. I chose LR of rockville because it is close by and i realized the farther from Washington DC the better the price. i had a bad experience at HBL of tysons and they wanted over $47k for the same car with more miles on it. The people at LR of rockville are nice and friendly.GOOD LUCK!!!!

    -Dave
  • woodywwwoodyww Posts: 1,803
    Yesterday I drove my new (to me) '98 RR 4.6 in the snow for the first time.....& have a few newbie-type questions if anyone would care to respond.

    Unfortunately, & this may sound like heresy to other LR owners, my RR was extremely mediocre in about 3 inches of new very wet snow yesterday. It was sliding a lot (fish-tailing) around corners taken at very moderate speeds, & not stopping that well. It didn't handle nearly as well as some front wheel drive cars I've driven in snow (with all weather tires). Not what I expected, to say the least.

    So, I then put it into low range, & it did handle a lot better in the snow, altho the transmission seemed to shift a lot less smoothly. Is putting a LR into low range in snow considered to be SOP? And how long & at what speeds is it OK to drive in low range (The manual doesn't give much advice on that).

    I should mention the tires: they are the 18" Michelin "4X4" models (with plenty of tread left) that I believe were original equipment. Just looking at them it seems obvious that they are more for highway cruising than extreme conditions, but I would think with 4WD, & traction control they could handle a few inches of snow.

    I did call the Tire Rack & we talked about getting 16" snow tires & wheels, but I hadn't thought that would be necessary with a RR.......I do know however that BMW X5's for instance are not that great in the snow with the larger size (18" or 19") tires on certain models. I guess I expected a Disco or RR to be practically invincible in snow, regardless, or at least as good as my old Saab 9000 was.

    Any advice would be appreciated (& thanks for putting up with what may sound like some pretty dumb questions to experienced Rover owners)!

    WoodyWW
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    No worries Woody, we've all been there and done that at some point.

    It is GOOD ADVICE to go 16" if you're buying true snow tires. I just last week put Nokian Hakkapeliittas on my '96 Disco and while I was waiting the counter guy told me of a lady with 18" wheels who holed a sidewall, it took TEN DAYS to get a replacement tire for her, and the tire (singular) was over $400. Of course we're at the end of the earth here but still...

    I can't say enough about the Nokians. If you're buying pure winter tires that will be swapped out with the seasons, get the studs. Look at www.discoweb.org and they'll give recommendations for sizing. I prefer tall and narrow: more ground clearance for the DEEP snow and narrow tires cut thru the slop easier. I put on 245/75-16s and I've got more than 12" under my differentials now. Can you say "unstoppable"? I would actually be happier with the narrower tire. I believe that one's a 235/85-16. Discoweb tells the details.

    Although it IS a Rover, it is not "magic". It weighs close to 5,000# and it has a lot of power to break your traction. Your wide highway-biased tires didn't help either... they're very "floaty".

    Low range helped because it slowed you down... the floatiness of your tires was reduced at lower speed. As far as I know there is no limit to distance or time you can drive in 4L, but watch the tach. At 35mph my Disco is revving plenty high in low range... keep it below about 5k RPMS as an absolute maximum. It has rev limiters but still... why abuse it? The shifting will be very "notchy" in 4L. It is in serious offroad mode at that time, you've more than doubled the torque, and it does NOT want to slip any clutches inside the trans. Be gentle with the throttle. I have a locking center diff... I believe you have a viscous coupler. Both should be equally good in the deeps.

    I drive mine in 4H all the time (unless I'm looking to get seriously stuck for fun). It gives me a little more speed as necessary to really blast thru berms and over piles. I've been in snow deep enough it scraped dirt off my doors half-way up to the windows, and packed snow around the headlights. The Nokians are amazing. Yes I got stuck... that's why God made square nose coal shovels. Keep one in back. If you bury it too bad be careful not to bash your cat converters as you dig out. You'll also curse the mudflaps... mine are long gone. Uncover the exhaust so it can breathe as it idles as you dig. You'll have a TON of snow up under the front axle, clear that first to get the wheels down to where they'll bite traction. You might also carry a snatch strap for just in case... and read up on fixing points for tow recovery, you don't want to wrap around the axles.

    Good luck, ENJOY the truck! Regards, -Bob
  • Kemmons- I purchased my 2000 Disco II from Fred Lavry Co in Birmingham, MI. The sales manager there was excellent (Burt Poole). With the purchase, I was very happy. However, when I went in for a scheduled oil change (I had an appointment), I waited for 1 hr 45 minutes. I didn't go back there for another oil change.

    LR Farmington Hills service department was excellent, I couldn't have been happier....

    Jon
  • Problem: When I start my 2000 Disco II (I have about 25k miles), it turns over and over, and sounds like it is "half started". It often takes me 5-6 tries to actually get it to fully start. Once it starts, if the RPM gets low, it will stall. It seems like once I am on the road for 20-30 minutes, I can turn it off and re-start with no problems. I THINK it occurs more in cold weather, but as time goes by, the problem is happening more and more.

    With this, the check engine light comes on, as well as the traction control and hill descent lights. Also, the red lights flash on the shifter.

    I've had my car in 4 times now and the first three times they were unable to replicate the problem. This time they have seen it happen, but they do not know the cause.

    I found a similar posting here on townhall (posting 136). Posting 137 responded to this problem, but it doesn't mention the stalling problem.

    Has anyone seen or heard of a similar situation?

    And wasco, what's going on? You completely rock this site! Thanks for all your postings!

    Jon
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    You might ask this question over at:


    http://www.wowpages.com/roversnorth/wwwboard/w3bbrr.html


    There are lots of very knowledgeable folk over there.


    Good luck, -Bob

  • I'm interested in '99 Disco's. Just recently turned on to them. Previously looking at Land Cruisers. How do they compare? What's reliablity and cost of maintenance and service on the Disco? I will be taking this vehicle off-road, open to any advice.
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