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It turns out the lower suspension arm broke, and jammed into the turning axle, which caused some internal transmission damage.
The dealer she had it towed to suggested she "must have hit something", which I agreed with. She didn't recall hitting anything. She had her insurance adjuster come look at it, and these are his words:
"Upon inspection of your vehicle, we ruled out damages to the undercarriage, the suspension cradle and the muffler. We rules out any impact to the right front wheel, exterior panels or lower control arm. We confirmed the fact that there were no recalls on any suspension parts."
"A closer look at the right lower control arm revealed that it was not welded properly into the bushing. The undamaged left control arm was carefully inspected for comparison and it was noted that it was welded to a bushing in three different locations; top, bottom and side. The broken right side lower control arm showed welding spots only on the side. The end tip of the broken arm showed shining metal, which indicates the presence of friction as a result of the two metals rubbing against each other. This part of the arm is supposed to be welded and free of movement."
"We have concluded that the damage to the right side lower control arm was not caused by this loss, but rather due to the fact that the only weld spot broke over time and the arm finally snapped clean at the time of loss."
FYI, this was an early build 06 Civic. She's still wrangling with Honda to get them to fix it.
BTW - she heard back from the dealer, who in a very reconcillatory tone agreed to fix the car pronto. My coworker had opened a case with the national Honda office.
I took a tour of a BMW plant last summer and was amazed at the amount of robotic welding (actually robotic everything) that was being done on the assembly lines.
My problem now is how to reproduce this sound so the tech knows what that is.
Anyways it seems like a bigger issue. Plz post if you have any info. or a TSB from honda.
I am considering the Si Sedan rather than the coupe but I assume the experience of Si Coupe owners with the factory (non-summer) rubber is relevant here.
Negatives (as I see them): The Civic is about as low a vehicle as any I have owned. Limited ground clearance. Nearly 200 hp tied to that low clearance in a fairly light weight car.
Positive: limited slip front differential which should add to the front drive advantage (as opposed to RWD). But in the end it is like anything else, how carefully you drive it and I suppose it would get around about as well as anything not 4wd/AWD.
The Sandman :confuse:
In addition I have a A/C problem where it blows hot air from a stop sign until I get up to about 20-25 MPH.
For a car of the year to have the A/C go off is not very good.
If anyone has been able to get the A/C fixed please let me know because I have taken it to two different dealers and they just say that is the way it is.
Anyone have this same problem and if so how did they get it fixed.
Two dealers have told me that that is just the way the car works.
I have never had another car (honda or otherwise) do this.
K
It generally begins at around 3,000 rpm in 5th gear, i.e. around 65 mph and above. It always goes away when I take my foot off the gas pedal. It sounds like a high-pitched whine or a whistle.
Does anyone else have something similar? What could it be?
Some civics have a problem with a gap near the mirror on the window. The window seals don't go all the way to the end of the glass and the pressue that gets created behind the mirror causes a loud whistle or wind noise.
This might be your problem.
On another forum, someone posted the acutally TSB with how the dealer is suppose to fix this small problem.
I hope this helps!
I'm going to bring it up at my first oil change, but was wondering if other owners are hearing something similar.
I do have honda care involved now and will see in the next few weeks if this helps get my car fixed.
Make sure you take them out in the car and show them the noise. Don't let them write you up and send you on your way without illustrating the problem to them. If they don't do that, get the service manager involved and insist they need to go with you in the car to hear the noise.
I guess my post sounds a little negative, this is only because the dealerships around where I live on LI, NY don't really help out to much and just make excuses.
The noise you hear does come from an engine, this is how the engines are desinged. I don't want to bother you with the details, but all well balanced engines will do it. If you don't believe me, drive a corolla or ECHO (I own the ECHO and had a corolla) and you'll hear the same sounds.
When you stop hearing it you have a problem. Untill than don't worry be happy you have it. It is a sign of a healthy engine. I acutually love to hear it and drive so I do, at least on the highway. Word of advice: when the sound goes away sell the car.
If you can explain further about all balanced engines making the sound, please do.
I had one of the Acura Techs take a drive with me and he acknowledged the problem. He said some other TSXs have the same noise as well and it is due to the gears riding on one other (It didn't make sense to me either). His point was it is not serious but he indicated that with time it may get worse - as in slightly louder. He suggested if I wanted I could escalate the issue and they would try and fix it - the fix being a transmission replacement. From my research, those who have had their transmission replaced have had the whining sound go away. Since I don't keep any car for more than the original warranty period - usually 3 years or less, I am not worrying about it especially since the noise is not intrusive and does not take away from the driving experience. Some TSX owners think the whining noise adds to the experience. I did have my service advisor document the engine whine and the fact that the Acura tech also heard the whine just in case.
This noise does NOT have anything to do with the engine being well balanced. If so, all TSXs would have the same noise - only some do. Prior to my Acura, I used to drive the BMW 3-series, MX-5 and the Honda EX-V6, all new and those cars had some of the best engines out there and there was no whining noise - period. I have also had the chance to drive the Lexus IS 300 a fair amount for several months and it too didn't have any whining sounds. If anything it sounds like an issue/characteristic of Honda's 4 cylinder engines.
TJ
Bellagio, does this mean there's really no point in taking the car in for service?
Amir
When I brought it in to the dealership, they said they could not reproduce it AND they could not follow the TSB because I have a 2007..
I called Honda to complain. Has anybody else had a similar experience? Any 2007 owners notice the same problem?
Thanks.
Amir
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I will definitely bring this up at my first oil change and see what the dealership says. Has anyone else done so already? If so, I'd love to hear the tech's response.
caveman
But like you said, 2007 cars are virtually identical AND my car was manufactured before this TSB originally issued (Sept 26), so it would make sense to me that my car would have the same problem. I think I may just have to wait for Honda corporate to include it...
thanks for your suggestion.
Any advice on how I should handle this? TIA all.
The Sandman
Thanks for the help!
Anyone with suggestions on where to go in Honda? I was thinking of writing the president of the company. However, I am beginning to think they really don't care. It's really unfortunate. It's almost as as bad as dealing with GM.
I previously worked on a garage for five years before finishing school. Your starting problem is most likely due to two reasons. If the gas cap light is coming on you may have a faulty vent valve in the cap or it may not be fully screwed in. Also, the 2006 civic's manual clearly states that to start you car you should turn the ignition on and wait for the gas guage to go full and the come to the proper level. This allows the fuel injectors to prime the cylinders to start. I strongly donnot agree with a previous poster in pressing the gas pedal when trying to start since this has been something that is not reccomended for fuel injected vehicles for years. Usually all you will manage to do is flood the motor.
Hope this helps.
Sorry to hear your having so many problems. I bought a 2006 ex manual in Sept. The car is a canadian built august production. So far to date I have to say that I'm quite hapy with it and have been quite lucky based on the posts. The only two issues I have are the infamous glove box clunk and as well as another problem that no one else seems to have mentionned. I have noticed with the colder temperatures that the large hard plastic section of the dash tends to make cracking or creaking noises, especially around the radio. Just wondering if anyone else has noticed these noises or if I'm just being too picky.
I have to say that so far I love this car and after working in a garage as a service advisor for 5 years, things could be much worse. Ie: Ford: 38 recalls on the first year of focuses, Nissan: still swapping motors in brand new altimas due to excessive oil consumption, GM: where to start. Chrysler: more trannies than oil changes.....
Every company has there hiccups, my mothers 200o civic had shock problems during their first year which was resolved within the second year. I can't get over the fact that the 2000 civic was supposed to be the worst year and yet all she has done in 60,000 miles is have the front shocks changed (under warranty) and a ball joint (also under warranty). If this is Hondas worst than I glad I bought one.