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That makes no sense at all.
I kind find you dozens of message boards where folks have tons of problems with any make or model of vehicle.
Diesels are far more reliable than most gas engines, they hold up longer and are able to haul much heavier loads.
The only accurate statement that you made is that half the dealers don't know how to fix them.
As for them staying together, I have several trucks that their engines are going on 400,000 miles with few problems. Well, mostly glow plug problems.
Check your window sticker if you bought the truck new.
Mark.
i have a 04 also and the ford dealer keeps telling me there is nothing wrong with my truck until i put a load on it then it gets hot and shuts its self down what did you get done with yours.
took it to a dealership .. they said its the fuel pump. I replaced that, the cam sensor, and fuel relay ...its still doing it... help??
What the heck, just buy another engine.
IT always amazes me how people will go out and put a low buck computer chip in their $20,000 to $50,000 vehicle made by lord knows who.
I assure you they didn't spend time or money doing long term testing or anything else to ensure that the chip didn't blow up the the truck it gets installed into.
I'm serious does anyone really think its smart to trust one of these chips?
Mark.
Cowboy9 Do you know where that relay fuel relay is? Is it the one in the fuse panel under the hood or is there another one?
Ideas? Ford's answer was to leave the truck with them and have a mechanic drive it for a couple of weeks and see if it does it with them since they can't duplicate problem in shop.
rayglasscock@yahoo.com
Update: the head was inspected, magnafluxed and pressure tested. No problems of any kind showed up. There was no blow-by at either the oil filler location on the valve cover and nothing apparent at the degas bottle. Current speculation is the oil cooler.
Currently, we are replacing the head gasket on the driver's side (had to do this anyway, since we pulled the head), the exhaust manifold gasket, the oil cooler, we will have the radiator removed and flushed by a radiator shop, flush and back flush the engine and heater core, replace a sensor that was working intermittently.
I perhaps should have mentioned that about 3500 miles before the problem of oil in the coolant showed up, a different shop had replaced all glow plugs, updated o-rings on the injectors, repaired an exhaust leak on the drivers side. They had to pull the head to remove one of the glow plugs, as it was stuck in the head. It is possible that the shop did not do something correctly and this caused oil in the coolant. On the other hand, in all fairness to the shop, it is possible that the oil cooler began to develop leaks on its own. We may never know.
to mackie88, I've heard (anecdotally) that the powerstroke 6.0L has been real pain in the &&& for some folks. It sounds like you got one of the bad ones. A friend of mine refers to them as six-leakers. The 96 and 97 7.3L's have, I understand, a very good track record. I have to fault primarily myself for the current problem in that the shop to which I went to have the exhaust leak fixed did not have significant experience working on powerstrokes. The current shop has many years of experience and also has lots of technical training, specifically for powerstrokes.
I've replaced lots of parts on this truck, but I expected that. With only about 135k on the engine, it is barely broke in and, with proper care, should continue to do well for another 100k or so. The body and interior are near perfect and it has never been used as a work truck. I realize that the repairs and expensive, but that is a temporary situation and is far less expensive per mile than a new truck ($40,000+).
Becuase I justify ownership of this truck by pulling a fifth wheel with it, gas is not an option, neither in the F150 or F250 versions.
Thanks again, to all.
It loses coolant, but I have not discerned the tell tale exhaust "smoke".
Since it does not lose coolant when I am not loaded, I am suspecting that it has to do with head bolts which are not properly torqued or bolts which do not have enough strength.
I noticed a number of posts pointing to head gaskets which (to me) confirms my suspicion about the head bolts not being up to the job. The leakage occurs under full load. Under that condition, the cylinder pressure would be at it's maximum and therefore I come back to the head bolts not being up to the job.
Due to my insistence, we will be doing a radiator pressure check under load and full heat tomorrow.
If you have any ideas, I am surely listening because the Diesel "experts" at the dealership don't seem to have a clue.
I realize that I am grasping at straws, but I need that truck running, not sitting in the shop. If I wanted that, I would move an easy chair into the show room floor and admire all that pretty tin.
You may contact me at ajb645@rconnect.com.
I am not worried about trash mail because I preview it with mailwasher pro before I down load it and all junk gets sent back to the sender.
Thanks to all for any good ideas.
John
We are now in stage two of the problem of blown head gaskets.
In spite of the fact that Ford has sent a bulletin to it’s dealers stating that the 6.0 L engine tends to blow it’s head gaskets, they are denying our claim.
They are stating that they will not service it under warranty because it has EXTERNAL TO THE ENGINE components which are not made by Ford. Conklin Company proved to John Deere that they can’t get away with that excuse.
It would appear that what they are saying is that for those who do have this engine, be sure that you do not ask that engine to work like a truck engine and that you should not do something so nasty as pulling your camping trailer with it. It would appear that I made a serious mistake of pulling my triple axle trailer up hill in warm weather. Guess I shall have to find a 1946 Chevrolet with the babbitted bearing 6 cylinder so that I can pull my trailer. I used that car to pull a very heavy trailer all over Colorado and the North central parts of the US. You would surely think that a big Ford V8 was more powerful and tougher than that Chevy straight 6. The Ford made only one trip up a long slope, and the Chevy pulled innumerable hills.
I surely hope that Ford/International get their act together. We will now go through a certification process covering the components Ford/International used to put the heads on that 6.0L
“See you in court” seems the path want us to be taking. That is a BAD idea on their part, because “word of mouth” spreads like wildfire these days.
If you have a similar problem, holler, and I will give you a rather large file of “to do’s”.
Remember this: Even if a dealer and or regional representative denies your claim, they do have a tacky problem to deal with called the law. When you bought your truck, you have a legal right to expect that it will function in a normal manner for a reasonable amount of time. Does anyone here think that 59,000 miles to failure is reasonable?
Why don't you try to get the maker of the mod parts to fix your engine....
Its just amazing. What company has the engineering and money to invest in makeing a diesel engine component better than Fords? Don't think that that if a change was reliable possible, Ford would do it at the factory?
Mark
The truck is still in the shop.
We did find out that the first sign of the failing head gaskets many times is the failure of the EGR coolant tube.
They don't want to cover it under warranty.
Now they have a dilemma because we have requested that they give us a signed refusal with and explanation for the reason they refuse to do it under warranty.
Sure not like the old days when they stood behind their equipment 100%.
I guess I missed up in replying to your other email and it didnt come through as i just replied to this one and lost it also, lol.
Sorry but they already told you that because of what you did with putting on Aftermarket items they are not going to cover it. Why would they do what you want they are Ford with more money than most ever dream of having.
What all did you do to your truck as far as getting more power out of it ?
Cowboy
We went round and round and round as the dealers blamed everything BUT the head gaskets.
I was asked "How does the engine 'know' that it is pulling a load?"
The answer is very straight forward.
The maximum volume of the cylinder is fixed.
When under light load the cylinder takes on a light load of air/fuel which is compressed into the top dead center volume for the cylinder.
When under load, a maximum amount of air/fuel is in the cylinder. That larger volume is then compressed into the same volume as the light load was, resulting in MUCH higher pressure.
Inadequate, under torqued or damaged head bolts allow the head to "bounce" enough to allow compressed grasses to escape into the cooling system and other places.
Hence the water problems under load.
On one hand they say that they do not void the warranty for after market products.
They do that because of the the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)says that they can not just off hand deny warranty. They have to prove that the after market device caused or contributed to the failure.
Since they have had the gasket problems in engines in compartments with only factory parts, they have a problem they don't want to address.
According to the dealer "Ford has stated that they WILL NOT warranty any engine which is not factory".
BUT
If you call their customer service number they state "Ford does not void a warranty with after market equipment in use".
WHOA!
So I asked the dealer and zone rep "Did Ford give you that will not warranty in a written document that I can see?".
"NO they told us that over the phone".
Cowboy,
Now you know how to dance with a broken leg.
John
joel0622, "Extended Warranties" #2068, 25 Aug 2007 1:45 pm
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