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I bought my Kia Sedona Sept 2005 new, almost from day 1when I am coming up to a stop the rear brakes groan. Unfortunately this problem is intermittent so of course when I took it back to the dealer I couldn't recreate the noise. It has been in and out of the dealer I bought it from about 10 times but they blamed it on dust in the rear hub which they wanted to charge me for to clean it out. I cleaned the rear hubs myself but it didn't solve the problem. I have now changed to a different dealership and managed to get the service engineer and mechanic to hear the noise. They put it on a rolling road and when both rear breaks were applied together the groaning happened, but when they stopped the rolling road individually the noise didn't occur. This has now been going on for 17 months they have changed the rear break shoes and cleaned them out and greased all the bearings. The noise is still happening and is worse when there is 3 or more people in the car so it appears weight related or when greater breaking is needed. Please can anyone help or has anyone had the same problem?
Thanks Steve
I am in the same boat(or Car). When I read your email it was like reading my own words. I had thought maybe I had put the email in and forgot. Needles to say I bought my 2005 kia in feb of 2006 and since june 2006 I have had the front brakes replaced, rear brakes replaced, cleaned front and back three times, and I just had it in last wed 2/28/07 for the same problem and i did not even make it to sat. The noise was back. I have never been charged for any work, but the tech that I take it to is having a problem with kia. they say mine is the only one that they have heard of and since I have passed 20,000 miles it should be my responsibility. My tech is really working with me on this.
This is pretty sad for a car that is ranked top of the line in safety features that this would not be considered a safety factor.
I am have the same problem with my rear brakes. They groan every time I stop at a stop sign and the more weight in the van the louder they groan. Kia ONLY wants to charge me and it has been going on for a year now. If you find anything that helps please post it.
Thanks
I have had to replace and turn the rotors twice in 20,000 miles. The dealership mechanic told my husband this is a problem with the 2005. They made the van heavier for safety but used light duty brakes, and that they fixed it in the 2006 model. As well the mechanic also warned us to NEVER tow anything because the brakes are likely to fail, even though our owners manual says we can. We need to all unite in this fight and get others to do the same. I bought a Kia because of their safety rating...brakes = safety....right? Yvonne who will be looking for a good class action Lawyer tomorrow. Wheres Erin Brokovich when you need her!
Joanie
Illinois
Katie
I had a short protest in front of my local dealership and it was quite surprising the number of people that stopped with the same issue. Most are just going to sell their vehicle and pass the problem on to someone else. KIA did offer a buy-back for my vehicle b/c I protested, but after a signed deal was exchanged, there was no follow through. The latest message from KIA corporate was asking for a couple of weeks so they can review my information.
KIA needs to stand behind their product. :lemon:
I suggest you put your energy into buying good third party front rotors and pads and installing them.
You need basic hand tools and a large C Clamp that opens a good 10 inches from Home Depot. This is the gently press the Disc Brake piston back up into the Caliper bore.
This type of brake job takes about 2 hours in your driveway.
There is a pair of screws on the rotors that are tiny and delicate. You need to be able to get the old ones off before you can remove the rotors. I bought them at the dealer for about $ 1 each.
I would shop for your rotors and look at Wagner, Bendix AC DELCO and such as that.
Any pads will do, since you will want to monitor them and replace them at about 25K miles . Then your rotors will last much longer.
There are many cars where the standard service parts are not up to the needs of a customer. You always have to upgrade.
My dad wasnot car savy.
His 1965 Ford Galaxy had bad spark plug wires that never worked right.
The dealer replaced them 6 times with more of the same bad wires.
Finally he traded the car on a Dodge Monaco.
If I had been older I could have saved him many unhappy visits to the Ford dealer.
I put a parts list of all the parts I used in an earlier post.
Once you get your good parts on you will be very pleased.
Also if you are in the MOUUNTAINS you might want the CERAMIC pads and the DRILLED rotors.
Check rock auto dot com and see what you think.
They cost about $ 125 each but if you tow or haul maybe it is worth it.
Katie
Love teh design but this problem needs to be investigated and corrected as it's a mechanical design flaw.
:lemon:
van.
Your fronts do 80% of the stopping. These numbers are the
generally accepted proportions in the industry. My van has rear DRUM Brakes so my experience is different.
Almost EVERY car I have seen with rear disc brakes has STINKY real world results. Maybe they work good on the test track but they stink in the real world. I base this on 100s of thousands of miles of service experience on Chevy Luminas, Dodge Intrepids and others.
At this point if you like the van you should take it to a real brake shop and have them develop and approach to the problem.
Maybe there is a" proportioning valve " that can be adjusted or maybe if you carry a 50 pound bag of SAND in the cargo space it will settle the rear more so the rear brakes can do more work. My van has a switch on the frame with brake lines on it and it senses the weight over the rear wheels and increase braking I think when I have weight there.
I bought a fiberglass storage box at Pep Boys that is narrow and sturdy and I keep a bunch of stuff in there and maybe that is helping my braking.
It is a known fact that station wagons always stopped in a shorter distance when slightly loaded than when fully empty.
Also - since you are in this situation- there is a driving monitor the kids buy for hot rodding that shows your accel and deccel rates. Maybe you could get one of these to record your driving style and further your case with KIA.
If I was as unhappy with you I would write to Car and Drive or Consumer Reports and volunteer to do a expose' on the problem and see what they think.
Len Hunt a Kia VP will be on Edmunds Wed at 6 PM for a live chat.
You might want to set aside that time to ask he send you a development engineer to fix the existing product before he designs a " new improved" product.
Good Luck.
There is no "standard" as to how long Rotors should last, this is why they will fight your claims to them wearing our prematurely. We had 6 sets of rotors in 30K miles. Kia was okay with this until we publically called attention to the problem. A buy-back was negotiated in a couple days and closed in 6 weeks.
:lemon: :lemon: :lemon:
This van has been through the "rotor wars" and the last dealer warranty service the rotors were replaced with what they claimed to be the "new" type not prone to warping. Pads were changed, too. No expense to us.
No problems at all with shudder or apparent warping and under these conditions, with a couple of "immediate action required" braking incidents, I'd have expected trouble as before. None this time. Before, any hard stop at highway speeds, like under-estimating a ramp or a panic stop, the old rotors were cooked and warped in one stop.
Maybe, just maybe, they have sorted out the problem. I'd love to give you a part number but there were none for brakes on the slip. Heck, maybe they just went out and bought them at a NAPA?
Today we got are van back after the fifth visit and the maintain that it is dirt that is causing the squeak. The sales rep dropped off our vehicle in our drive-way. He then phones me to tell me that the problem is fixed while standing in my drive-way. Meanwhile my wife decides to back the van out of the drive-way to see........and sure enough it starts squeaking. I ask him if they cleaned all the brakes and he said yes.....My question to him then is "If it is grit that is causing the problem and your service tech cleaned the brakes THEN WHY ARE THEY STILL SQUEAKING" He then begins to tell me that it is my wife's fault because she is to light on the breaks. I say BS ... he then replies that they have this problem with all Kia Sedona's with disc brakes......
WELL WHY DIDN"T THEY TELL ME BEFORE I SPENT 35K ON IT.
Katie, I also bought a new 2005 Sedona. I also experience the same brake problem. I have two other friends who are experiencing the same problem. The dealerships are so quick to WANT TO REPLACE BRAKES which of course is costing an arm and a leg. I am taking my veh. to another dealer. The service manager there believes the problem is not the brakes rather some type of "flange" issue that may be bent or defective. If it is then I will be having KIA pay for the repair. More to follow after tomorrows service.
Terry
Ditto, I bought brand new an 05 Sedona. I also have the same problems. I've replaced brakes and rotors. If the problem is not taken care of I am directed to contact the DMV, State's Attorney Generals office and BBB then Kia international. We are still FIGHTING THIS ISSUE. :mad:
We have an 05 Sedona with the same problems. We've had the brakes replaced to no avail. The "technitions" do whatever the computer tells them to. The problem still persists and no solution has occurred. It is going in the shop again tomorrow for the same problem. The service manager seems to think it may be a faulty "flange" on the axle somewhere.
I will let you know what happens tomorrow.
coasty :mad:
Am driving a 2004 Kia Carnival II with the same problem as yours i.e. rear brakes groaning when coming to a stop. Found out by accident that the problem is not caused by the rear brake shoes or brake drums but would you believe it or
not, its caused by the rear wheel bearings. When I dismantled the rear left brake shoes where the groaning was coming from. I spinned the wheel hub and noticed a slight vibration which was not present on the right wheel hub.
Instead of replacing the brake shoes which was still good although I've clocked about 58K Km, I decided to changed the rear wheel bearings on both wheels instead of replacing the brake shoes. Once done I test drove the van and believe me the rear brake groaning is completely gone. Last week I've taken it on a long drive about 500km roundtrip and sure enough the problem's solved QED. Cost me about USD85.
Check and change your rear wheel bearings if required.
Bertjo@Roadrunner.com
I am fighting for all of us.
Before I bought my kia in 2005 I did all the back up work w/ 5 children I wanted them as well as my husband and I to be safe. I checked consumer reports #1 in test crash rating airbags and steel frame. Perfect no one ever said anything about the brakes. Mine have been changed 7 times as well as warped pads and them basically telling me it's my driving I told them I been driving for 35 years never had an issue I had a Pontiac Transport for 11 years never had an issue.
I am very angry w/ Kia I have brought my car back and forth over 10oo miles to them to fix and it's one excuse after another. I also thought maybe cause I am a woman so I let my husband take it in. They had the rep come in their is nothing wrong one of the service manager even came out and asked me are you sure you are hearing noises and moans. like I was either 1 crazy or 2 lieing. I was very offended. Just because they don't hear something does NOT mean it does NOT exist. PLEASE HELP ME!!!
Bertjo@Roadrunner.com
I am fighting for a safe vehicles for us and our children. I bet if someone got in an accident and sued them they would fix the problem!
Thanks for reading!
My breaks have been great. Stop good and make no noise. But also I spent the first 500 miles breaking them in really easily with very few sudden stops. I think for your 05 sense it is pretty heavy you should upgrade the rotor and pad for the fronts and just put high quality pads on the back. You get what you pay for when it comes to break parts. Always go for the high quality pad it is better all around.
But enough of history - Does anyone have anything new on this issue? Like, recall news? Third party replacement rotors (maybe with better alloy metal) that cure the problem? (Lord knows, there's a market for such a product!) ANY magic cure that you could tell us about?
Please contact me with anything that works. Other than the brakes, we like the vehicle. John W. Tilford at johntilford@insightbb.com
Anyone else with 2006, 2007 model also with rotor issues? Otherwise love the car, but Kia Minivans must have some rotor issue...
Clearly the equipment on your 05 is not cutting it and all I can think of is going with a larger rotor / pad setup. May be more expensive in the short term but if you like the van otherwise and wish to keep it then it will pay off in the long. Another option is go with a cross drilled rotor because they vent heat excellently, that is if excessive heat is warping the rotors which could be a good possibility. Sorry to hear about your troubles and good luck.
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