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With regard to the weather stripping, I was just repeating what the service guy told me. I have no idea what is really wrong with the doors. It is not my area of expertise.
Another point: If the windows and doors of your house freeze shut after an ice storm, whose fault is that? Or is it just an unfortunate result of something that is beyond anyone's control? As I said, if it turns out Toyota uses a different kind of weather stripping than everyone else uses and this is causing the problem, they should fix it. I just don't think that is the case. Whoever is first to invent a suitable rubber compound (or other material) that will not react this way will be a very wealthy person.
I can't help but question your motivation in your responses to me,when I look back at your other postings especially #32 with regard to the front door weld issue, you poo-pood that problem as well. Now, Toyota is finaly fixing that problem all though they go short of calling it a recall.
Maybe you don't get kick backs, perhaps you are directly on the payroll, get free minivans... I don't know but I suspect something else motivates your responses. ALso, you have alot of free time don't you. Well, I am done for now, if anybody else besides"gotoyota" has something useful to post of if you are experiencing similar problems with your sliding doors , please post a response.
The Sienna door weld problem is there, yes, but it has not happened as frequently as some people make it seem It has been very isolated relative to the total number produced, and kudos to Toyota for stepping up and fixing it, as well they should since it is obviously a defect.
You have made up your mind so I am not going to waste my time debating the rest of your silly comments. Good luck with your case.
I did not "poo-poo" that claim. As I recall, I did say it was a problem they needed to fix. I just countered it with my assertion that this is not happening on a huge percentage of the vans, as some of the claims suggest. Toyota DOES owe it to their customers to fix this problem, whether it happens on .1% or 100% of the cars. The reason I responded the way I did was because the context of the discussion WAY BACK THEN was that some people were saying "don't buy the Sienna because the door welds ARE GOING TO FAIL." I was pointing out that statistically speaking, that was not correct. Also, I personally know 4 people who come immediately to mind that drive Sienna's - three are '04's and one is an '06. None of them have ever had any problems and love their vans. The person who has an '06 lives in an area where temperatures frequently hover around -10 to -15F during late December to mid February, and they have never mentioned anything about their doors freezing. They do park in a garage however. Just FYI...
All vehicles are affected by freezing weather. If you have a garage then put the vehicle in the garage. If you know a storm is coming then disable the power doors and leave them unlocked. It's a lot easier to open them in the morning after a storm or freezing weather. Let's use some common sense and stop putting blame where there is none.
Mackabee
Note the Miata has frameless windows so there is notably little surface area. Doesn't matter. They'll still freeze.
Plus with those tiny door handles, it's hard! I try the other door, then push the doors out from the inside with my feet! I have foot prints to prove it.
Did you also see in my bio that I am a Master Sales Certified consultant? I have nothing to gain by posting here. I do it because I enjoy helping people. If there is a problem with any Toyota and I'm aware of it, I'm the first one to inform members here.
I'm a straight shooter as some of the hosts will tell you so I don't come here to feed you bs. And who was the person from your Toyota dealer and which "problem" are you referring to? I been referring to the so called "freezing door" problems which happen to any car foreign or domestic.
Seems to me you have contempt for salespeople, and just want to pick a bone with anyone. If that is the case then you are picking on the wrong guy.
How 'bout them Cowboys?!!
Mack
1)replace fuel tank.(after a week they replace it, the fuel tank leak when we pulling out from the parking lot, it took another 2 weeks to fix)
2)seat belt problem
3)driver side door welding problem. has this problem 2 months after the 3 years warrantly. initially, one of the salesman refuse to fix it even though he acknowleges other people have the same problem. call toyata customer care, attitude worse than the salesman. few weeks later, brought it back to the dealer, this young oriental salesman is kind enough to let it fix under warranty.
4) now i have the sliding door problem, planning to bring it back again.(wish me luck)
5)oh, i also have driver side seatbelt would not release and i have to press it really hard in order to release it .
6) i think there is problem with their brake system, the pad worn off so fast ( i have changed it 5 times already)
problems van... no more toyota......
Mackabee
I would appreciate knowing if anyone has been able to fix this issue at a more reasonable cost. No more Toyota's for me.
Mack :shades:
We've got 61,000 miles and have generally been pleased with the van with some huge exceptions. First, the run flat tires with a life of about 15,000 miles and cost of over $270 per tire to replace (we've put regular tires on and carry a can of sealant). Toyota wasn't real great in communicating the problem and we didn't see any better fix. Toyota picked up the cost of the initial replacement, but after we went through the second set and then picked up a nail in a third, I was done.
A'so on the quote list from our 60K mile service is an estimate of $175 to replace 2 fan belts and $190 to replace the transmission fluid. We paid $500 for the 60K service and have followed the maintenance schedule. I don't know if it is our dealer -- we seem to need a transmission fluid change and brake pads/rotors ($300) at every service.
I bought the car largely based on toyota's reputation for reliability and low maintenance costs. Is this the norm? Do I try to get the door fixed outside of the dealership? If I do, will this compromise any claim if there is an acknowledged defect?
I am considering purchasing a 2008 mini van for my wife some time between July and Setember of 2008. Are there any known issues, reported, with the '08s that I ned to be aware of?
The door issue affected 2004-2006 models.
In a strange way, I wish the 2007s were included, because I'd get the peace of mind of that 100k mile warranty on the doors on my 2007 Sienna.
Like I said, call the customer service center at 1-800-431-4331 or 1-800-go-toyota and tell them what is going on and have them open a case number. You'll get results then.
Mack
Mack
Recently I was contacted by Corporate and was told to take it back because Canada has a "new type" of door seals, I'm not sure if this is a recall or not. I'm not sure if this is the "fix" or not.
When I told toyota that it was a safety issue, they could care less, I ask them what do I have to do to get this fixed, call FOX 5 News/ Shame on you etc. She told me do whatever you want to do. What a bad attitude from Corporate Toyota.
I believe overseas Toyota contacted USA toyota.
It wasn't till this past December that I contacted by corporate Toyota and offered to replace door seals . I was told that Canada toyota just started using the new "type" of door seals.
I still don't know if they are effective because the weather conditions has not been right.
My more pressing concern is the way that the obstacle detection seems to malfunction in cold weather. I've had to physically yank on the door to keep it from shutting on my kids when it's cold out. When it's warm out, I can just put my hand out, and apply enough resistance with my arm to keep it from closing. The variance is concerning, and the temperature seems to be the only difference.
I suspected that the motor lacks sufficient torque to be able to break the door free from the top door gasket which gets frozen to the door frame. Initially, I tried silicone spray on the door gasket, with little impact on the problem. Next time it froze, the door froze shut.
Then I used a plastic tool designed for removing interior trim pieces. The tool is only 1/16" thick, maybe 1" wide, like a broad, dull, plastic knife with dull, rounded edges. My tool is one from a kit from Harbor Freight, part #95532
I take the plastic tool and insert it between the top of the door frame and the top body gasket. It goes in about 3/8 to 1/2" behind the top of the sliding door against the gasket. Keeping the tool inserted to that depth, I move the tool all the way aross the entire top of the door. The tool breaks the ice or frost bond between the door and the gasket, and the door operates normally. The reason the tool is plastic is to not scrap the paint off the door frame.
I've had the tool work every time. Annoying and an example of poor design, but the plastic tool is a work-around.
theonomic
When new, the other sliding door would not stay open and would not always close. After numerous visits to Dorschel, they finally fixed it. Something about the top hinge. It was not covered by warranty either. I argued and they took it off the bill. I hate that I have to argue at all.
The exterior lights or the interior lights will not go off if I forget them even though the book says they will after 20 minutes. The Service Manager says the book does not apply to the Sienna LE. Remember that.
When I first bought a Toyota Sienna with the long term warranty they said it would cover even a failed wiper motor. Now it won't cover a door that won't open.
Other things, the mileage on the electronic readout is about 4 mpg higher than the old receipts and odometer math comes up with. I heard that is known about those and they are not expected to be right.
Quality is a thing of the past with Toyota. The fogged up headlights again (which were "fixed"), the gas tank replacement, which was very early with this vehicle, the electrical system, and the doors!
Then when I read your problems with the electric motors and cables, wow.
If anyone has a quality story about a quality van, let me know. I will be listening. Thanks, all.
We recently had the sliding door on our Sienna fixed... twice, costing us a total of over 500 dollars.
Toyota knows there is are problems with these doors. The mechanic who worked on our car left his repair bulletin, issued by Toyota, in the front seat of our car along with the receipt the last time we had it fixed.
The report (EL004-04), issued in April of 2004 says they are aware there is a problem. The repair is to be covered under the 36k or 36 month warrenty. (I have a 2004). Our door had problems only month after the warrenty was up.
At the bottom of the report it states:
*Warrenty application is limited to correction of a problem based upon a customers specific complaint.
I'm fighting with my Toyota dealership and with HQ right now and will update if I get anywhere. Hopefully this has been helpful to anyone experiencing the same problems we are. If you're still under warranty don't wait get it fixed ASAP.
Good Luck
:lemon: :lemon: :lemon:
Am I disappointed? Yes. Am I surprised? no. My advice to potential Toyota buyers... Beware. Toyota does not stand behind their product the way they once did. You may want to consider a Honda instead.
I'll continue to post updates as I go.
He said to apply baby oil all around the seals. His idea was that the mineral oil would lube the seals and not freeze. It is also easier to apply than the sprays because you just wipe it on with a paper towel.
I gave it a try. That was one week ago and they have not frozen since even though we had one night last week near zero!! I can not say that it will not hurt my seals in the long run, but right now it works great.
Thanks AutoZone!!
Overall, what a hassle for a Toyota product that suppose to be a good product.
I'd use lithium grease instead.
Mommy Jan