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sell price $72,500 + tax and tag, no dealer fee
i'm happy with the deal... i figure that is a reasonable amount for the options i liked on the touring package vs. regular navi 460.
Have been away on business and just got in today. That fire is well south of me over the pine barrens. Thanks for the concern.
I saw your post on the LS460L experience. I drove it about 50 miles last weekend and absolutely love it. I'll post more after this weekend after I drive it some more (assuming I can pry it away from my wife) but in a nutshell this car is fabulous and well beyond the capabilities, comfort and driving experience of the LS430 and the lux factor is raised a lot higher. Keep in mind I'm comparing an air suspension LWB car to a base suspenion SWB car though. BTW - I haven't checked width but the car seems wider inside.
Have you seen my post from yesterday about the Nieman Marcus LS600HL?
After months of hiatus away from Edmunds, I stopped here to read up on the new LS and found yours just arrived last week. Well... Let me start by congratulating you on this excellent purchase. The pictures are awesome and the background even more impeccable. That is a very beautiful home, Len. I just cannot get it out of my head. Well, I am not sure which is more exciting: the new car or that stunning house. I know the back is not revealed, but knowing what I know, I can now see how well it matches the front - simply amazing !
Yes, feverhart got it dang right - you are a rich man, by all measures.
Congrats and may the car serve you well, as previous ones have. Take care and keep up the good work around here.
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Charlie - I'm hearing here that prices on the LS600HL are over list in some cases.
I really liked the looks, extra power, the smooth ride, the ML Stereo, many cool extras like the brake hold, the parking guidance, dynamic radar cruise control, and many other nice things my 430 doesn't have.
What I didn't like, in comparison to the 430, is the front seat doesn't go back as far or are as wide and comfortable to me (due I suspect to the large center counsel), the rear head room is less, and as we all know the trunk at 12cf is smallish, and brakes seem strong but not as easy to use as in my 430.
My biggest comparative complaint is visibility. The new design just isn't as "open" to see what is going on with traffic around you - especially in back and sides. It might be the short LS 460 might have better visibility.
As I said this is just my opinion and I respect others who feel differently. I certainly could live with the new LS 460L but for now I'll stick with my 430.
I see that you are all keeping the LS forum alive. That's great.
Or put YET ANOTHER WAY...are LS460 drivers "posers" or the "real thing"?
I am considering trading my 2004 LS430 (paid for) for the 2007 LS460. That being said, 70 grand just seems like too much money for ANY car.
Just thinking out loud...
I was considering the same thing, but of late have drifted toward holding on to my 04 LS430. It's the Ultra Lux, and as far as I can tell the 460L's advantages, aside from more power and more speeds, are push button start/stop, automatic electronic parking brake, and a better navigation screen. Offset that with longer turning radius, no cassette tape player, more engine noise, and about 20% higher price -- is it worth it? It sure doesn't seem like the major step-up that the 04 was from the 01.
As for as the posers vs. real thing question, my payment is less than $1000/month on a 60 month 3.74% loan (with my credit union). I had been driving a Mercedes E320 and got disgusted with the unreliability and noisiness of the thing. So I researched Consumer Union Auto Buying Guide and looked for the highest rating in reliability and quietness. It turned out to be the LS400 (this was in 2000). And then I found out that they were coming out with a major upgrade to the LS430 so I decided to try that, and haven't been sorry since.
Hold on there rennybosch. Let's get the facts straight. BTW, I also drive a 2004 LS430. The turning radius for the 2004 LS430 is exactly 37.4 feet. The turning radius for the LS460 is 35.4 feet (so it's even tighter). The turning radius for the LS460L with 18" wheels (standard) is 36.5 feet. It is 37.5 feet with 19" wheels. So where are you reading that the new model has a longer turning radius? As for "more engine" noise, this is intentionally engineered so that a person can hear the smooth roar ("quiet roar") of the engine when accelerating hard to give a more sporty feel. The car itself is as quiet or even more quiet than the 2004. I personally do not care (most people in today's world do not) that it does not have a cassette player. The new Lexus audio system (Mark Levinson 19 speakers, ability to record 2000 songs, play dvd's, etc.) is "miles" ahead of the LS430. There are quite a few other advantages of the new model. The pre-collision system and radar cruise is more advanced. It also has an auto break feature when stopped at a red light, heated steering wheel, XM radio with a real time traffic capability, better gas mileage than the LS430, etc., etc.
I had ordered the LS600HL but if you read my posts, I cancelled due to what I consider poor gas mileage for a hybrid. I am instead going to order (as soon as the specs come out) a 2008 LS460L. I consider it to still be a "bargain" compared to the competition.
Anyway thanks for the feedback and I am again undecided which way to go.
The secondary market for Navigators and Escalades developed quickly, with used models going to young people who sometimes were unlicensed pharmicists.
Today, it's hard to tell who is a poser and who is not. Leasing has made it possible to own a much more expensive car than you could normally afford.
Nonetheless, I think anybody who wants to drive an LS and can afford to do so, is not much of a poser. They're pretty serious about life, careers and driving in comfort. What I have met, are usually pretty genuine folks.
I think you mean "poseur".
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2004/lexus/ls430/100322033/specs.html
The lack of a casette is definitely there but you are clearly the exception to the rule on that one. The hard disc drive s a great feature as is the ability to play DVD video when you are stationary. DVD audio is so great that you have a gard time going back to a Cd let alone a casette if that ability was there. They did screw up on the front passenger seat as it's the only seat in the car without a power control if you take the lux option. I had the 430 in 2001 and 2004. Neither car is the same league as this car - not in LWB form and probably not in SWB either based on the limited driving I did on the SWB car.
Maybe it depends on who you read, but Lexus is the official source.
The turning circle still beats the competition.
Renny
Yeah!! Is it? Because my Lincoln Navigator did both much better than my Lexus does.....
I used the comfort setting on the car as we drove home. I did notice a difference from the sport setting. Car still handled very well, much improved over the 430, but the ride was the plushest I've ever experienced. Comfort setting also raises the air suspension higher. I'd recommend the air suspension to anyone that can get their hands on one or has the time to custom order.
I'm also having a harder and harder time going back to CD's after a DVD audio disc. The sound is amazing.
I love this car.
One thing that Lexus could have done better is the bluetooth. In my G you just hit the off hook button on the steering wheel and voice command your way thru. On the LS you do the same thing BUT you have to hit the info button and touch select telephone first. There really was no reason for this as far as I'm concerned. I will doublecheck this in the next few days to see if that middle step can be bypassed.
The climate system is excellent on this car and is more accurate on temp settings. You don't find yourself ever adjusting temp once you set it. Of course put your spouse in the car and that will change but it has nothing to do with the quality of the system. I've yet to try the climate controlled seats or the heated steering wheel. The leather is an improvement over the 430 but that leather never wore on me anyway.
BTW - My first fill up occurred at 395 miles. I averaged just under 21mpg and this was more country/city driving than highway. I actually got better mileage in the V8 LS than in the G35 where I'm between 18-19 mpg. I have no clue how C&D only got 13-14 mpg in this car. Further proof that they had a heavyweighted pre-prod car and you can toss their stats in the you know where.
The car has been trouble free, as expected, and has performed very well as a luxury car. I love the ML stereo and the quiet ride. Two areas that could bring me back to the Euros are the seats and the steering feel. I feel that both of these are better in BMW and MB and are very important factors for me.
The Lexus seats are a bit too flat and I find that on long trips they are not up to the MB, BMW standards and that steering is a bit numb and gives a detached feel. Have either of these been changed on the new LS 460?
Thank you for any input.
This was in California. Things might be different in other states.
Just a bit of third-party, anecdotal evidence, but it is making me feel more content with keeping the LS430. For now.
The Nav on this car is phenomenal both in ease of use and in it's resolution. I couldn't be more pleased with the car and both the handling and ride are a lot better than the LS430 and IMO it's quieter to boot. The screw-up on the car is the lack of passenger seat memory controls and that's probably fixed on the 2008.
BTW - I'm averaging just over 20mpg on the car in a mix of country driving and highway.
It was very windy today and even at low speeds (less than 40 mph), but with cross winds gusting to 35 mph, I noticed passenger side wind noise. I'm glad you and most others don't have this issue as I think Lexus will or has come up with a fix. Again, I agree with you as to the car, it far better in ride and preformance than my '04 LS 430. Lexus continues to produce a great product, plus their service continues to be the best.
Enough said.
Here's my view:
I really like the new body style. It is very elegant and modern. It looks like an expensive car.
In a nutshell, to me the changes seem to be more evolutionary than revolutionary. The LS430 is a fine auto that does everything well and is bullet proof. The LS460 may be a little bit better. The nav screen is brighter, the ML stereo may be a bit better (hard to tell- is one great and the other greater?). It may be a bit faster if you really gun it from 0-60 but to my seat of the pants test, I couldn't tell the difference. They are both very quiet. Again I couldn't tell the difference. The salesman said that the steering had been sharpened up, but sorry, again, if it was, the difference is too subtle for me to feel (and I am very alert to these things). I did like the smaller steering wheel. The seats felt exactly the same as on my car.
So if you liked the LS 430, I think you will like the 460 and it's added features. I'm just not sure that bump up in price is really warranted. Just one man's view and I am always willing to change my mind.