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I will also will add I'd rather buy a car made in Canada, than in China.
As far as your comment goes about GM, should build in China, so they get their quality up sounded like a cheap shot. But I'll leave it alone.
Rocky
Back to Cadillac, I have a question to ask lemko. Do you like the changes made to the 2008' STS ?
Rocky
I love the changes done to the CTS. What was done to the STS? The DTS is the car that's currently on my radar.
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You mean the diminutive 1986-era Seville as it was a four-door. The Eldorado was a coupe. The CTS is exponentially nicer than either. I get a magazine from the Cadillac-LaSalle club and an article showed a beautiful red CTS finished in Passion Red. The car is too small for me, but it would make an awesome ride for my girlfriend.
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Replying to: mediapusher (Apr 06, 2007 8:58 pm)
I think Cadillac is wasting it's time with the 2007 CTS. They should bring the 2008 out early. I don't have a problem with the current car, but - wow - the 2008 is so much nicer!
Rocky
It's quite possible that brands like Toyota and Honda are riding on brand equity rather than any significant superiority, but that brand equity is worth billions and Cadillac doesn't have it anymore....gave it away to the Germans and the Japanese.,,, much like the British motorcycle industry gave it away to the Japanese in the 1970s. Harley Davidson kept its brand equity through some shrewd marketing and great styling, even though their products are as mediocre as ever.
GM didn't try to save Cadillac by being shrewd or clever in either marketing or styling---if anything, GM helped the Japanese and Germans by being so gutless in protecting Cadillac from losing its prestige IMO. The abuse of the Cadillac brand is a black mark in GM history and it was an incredible blunder.
Rocky
Rocky
My own description of Roger Smith is that he was one of the 20th Century's worst monsters. He belongs in the same category as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Idi Amin.
The JD Power 2006 dependability study for the number of problems per vehicle had Lexus #1. Here is a partial list of the top ones with an industry average of 227.
2006 Nameplate Ranking
Problems per 100 Vehicles
Lexus 136
Mercury 151
Buick 153
Cadillac 163
Toyota 179
Acura 184
Honda 194
Jaguar 210
BMW 212
Infiniti 215
Lincoln 220
Ford 224
Oldsmobile 224
My local Caddy dealer has low mileage certified Cadillacs with 6 years and 100k miles on the lot for normal dealer TMV prices. I think a used Caddy is the most bang for the luxury buck going. Though I have found you can buy year old LX470 $15 grand under trade-in TMV, here in San Diego. They were so over priced anyway. Neighbor bought a perfect 2006 LX470 with 20k miles for $33,500. Dealer offered less in trade on a new Lexus.
I can see the head gasket, but everything else in this quote is MINOR compared to a transmission. 23 years of driving GM products and I have NEVER replaced a tranny, or any other MAJOR component. :lemon: 's, I THINK NOT!!!!
What's a brake manifold?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Dates. Models. I refuse to listen to another sentance of you yelling how bad GM is without coughing up specifics.
My guess is that your bad GM cars were all over a decade ago and you're living in the past.
Long warranties are a marketing tool--the worse your car, or the worse your market position, the longer your warranty should be....why would you extend a warranty on a product that performs well? Makes no financial sense.
Look who historically pushed the concept of the long warranty----Hyundai, Chrysler and Mitsubishi---- 'nuff said.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Then the question is if it is such a good car and doesn't need a longer warranty why try to sell extended warranties at the time of sale? I see a longer warranty as a willingness to stand behind a car. people don't stand behind something like that if they know its no good.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rocky
Rocky
I'd buy an extended warranty if I had a Mercedes, too, but I didn't when I bought the Toyota---the odds are against needing it IMO. I'm playing the odds in other words.
On the other hand, any company offering genuine factory extended warranties right out the door at no cost to the consumer is like a developer of condos saying: "This used to be a bad neighborhood, but now we're offering 24 hour police protection".
GM and Cadillac need to extend the warranty for marketing purposes. It's meant to restore buyer confidence in the product. And it does work!
I'm not saying the consumer SHOULDN'T have confidence in a GM product, I'm just saying they don't have it now and they need encouragement.
Smart move. I'd do it too if I were CEO of GM, and if the company could afford it. Time will tell. If the product still isn't any good, extended warranties will bust GM. Not the first time this has happened to a company.
Rocky
Rocky
So their cost to repair is still high ? I assumed by now they would be at least equal to the domestics. :confuse:
Rocky
I don't feel like Toyota owes me, or Cadillac owes me one MINUTE past their warranty. That's their warranty. 5 years, take it or leave it. I fully understand that when I buy the car.
What I'm really anxious about it buying a car that breaks constantly within the warranty---wherein I'm making car payments on a car that isn't working.
Now THAT sucks and I don't want to go there.
I thought I read on this site hyundai, ranked at the top in reliabilty scores ? I could be wrong. I know they rank among the leaders.
I still think it's like dice, luck with the throw.
Rocky
Rocky
Rocky,
My wife does not like the angular lines on the Cadillacs. I guess it appeals to a younger crowd. I drove the 2007 Escalade which was very nice. Except the seats are so much harder than the 2006 and older models. The one I drove was near $70k and the 2006 with 21k miles was $40k. Too big of a hit for me to accept. That is what I am seeing with all the big luxury SUVs. Including the Lexus that is supposed to have great resale.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
It's the cars that have all the gadgets, gizmos and hoo-hahs (luxury cars) that cost a lot of money to fix
I've already explained the problems I've had with GM cars. Scrollback and read the blog more thoroughly
That's fine, keep wasting your money on GM cars. It's your money
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My guess is that your bad GM cars were all over a decade ago and you're living in the past.
If the argument is they couldn't make a standard of the world Cadillac because of the poison pet food wheat gluten fiasco points you mentioned, that's like the pot calling the kettle black.
Maybe we should worry about cleaning up our own "house" before we start bad mouthing other countries
You and I agree on that subject. Although it is not just the luxury cars anymore. You can get all the extra electronic gadgetry in a Civic or Corolla. One poster was complaining on her Toyota that she had bought to get high mileage when her display screen went bad right after the warranty was up. It was going to cost her $1000 to replace. She could not operate the radio, heat or AC without that display. All cars are getting too complex. We are in a throw away society. And cars are just that. Use till something breaks and chuck it.
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Except a Cadillac :shades:
As sad as it is, this is the philosophy that GM operated by for so long. As far as I'm concerned they still do operate by the philosopy of "build it so it breaks" mantra--so that the customer will be forced to come back. This is how GM makes their money. Now with the addition of their new 100,000 mile warranty things may be changing.
The idea that others may be following their "lead" is horrifying. Build reliable products and the loyalty and sales will take care of themselves. Unfortunately many corporations only think of quarterly profits as opposed to long term profits, because they have to please their stockholders. It's sad.
Why do you think such noise was made over HDTV (hyped-delayed television) because televisions were lasting too long. These greedy corporations want us to buy stuff constantly. Many of them don't want products lasting a long time, cause they can't make money that way, so they claim. Remember the television industry. When Sony Trinitron was introduced in 1969/70 ? It had a picture that could stop a customer from clear across the sales floor. My Sony TV lasted 19 years before showing any functioning problems. This is how Japan knows how to compete. Make it much better and make it last, then perhaps they'll taper off a bit, but I don't think by much.
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gagrice wrote
We are in a throw away society. And cars are just that. Use till something breaks and chuck it
At least Toyota turned it around and gave us what we wanted even if their quality is starting to slip a little bit now.
GM just continued to suck us into their cesspool without ever turning it around until now, how pathetic-- They're just now turning it around. Why are we supposed to find that delay to be acceptable?