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Honda Accord vs Nissan Altima

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  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Let me put it this way. My 92 Accord would not have lasted 12 years, without ABS. I could hit the brakes as hard as needed, and still had steering control. People think they can stop faster without ABS, but in a panic situation, it's not likely.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I stopped MUCH faster without ABS. 30 MPH - 0 MPH in 1 foot!
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    That could leave a mark. :sick:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    One that cost a couple thousand dollars to remove. :sick: :(

    Got her fixed though, and am up to 172,000 miles and running like a top (no oil burning, no exhaust repairs, original rear brake shoes!)
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    That reminds me. Honda has a lifetime warranty on mufflers (don't know why). Nice to know since I have two on this car. The muffler was the only exhaust part I changed on the old Accord.
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    An abs system doesn't allow you to stop any quicker, thats a myth. In fact, abs will often times increase braking distance. what abs does, is allow for more vehicle control and the ability to steer while braking. Which, will drasticly increase braking distance. Thats the biggest drawback with ABS. People get it in their head that they can stop their car on a dime. Personaly, I think ABS is overated. been driving 18 years and have never had a need for em. I guess they're nice to have, but i certainly wouldn't base a purchasing descion on them. All you guys here who have had their vehicles and themselves saved so many times by abs, with all due respect, please stay out of VA. I kind of question your driving skills. :P (joke)
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Yes, I'm sure that a professional driver, who can accurately gauge how much traction the conditions dictate (in a split second), after a few practice runs, can stop a car faster without ABS. But does every driver in your family (who will be driving the car) have these skills? And will they use these skills when a sudden need arises? My brother (who was in the car at the time, and had no experience with ABS) was shocked that I was able to avoid slamming into the car.

    All you guys here who have had their vehicles and themselves saved so many times by abs, with all due respect, please stay out of VA. I kind of question your driving skills. (joke)

    I think the driver who looks one way, then just pulls out right in front of me, should be the one who's driving skills are in question. You have been lucky so far. You haven't met up with one of these drivers yet. I'm sure there are some in VA too. Will you be ready?
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    just to repeat myself that was a joke. but as i said before, abs DOES NOT make the vehicle stop any faster, or in a shorter distance. yes, I've had people pull out in front of me. but in the situation you describe, ABS won't make any difference. abs just prevents you from locking the brakes. thats it. If someone pulls out in front of you, you'll need the same amount of distance to stop with or without abs. Infact, you may need a little more distance to stop with abs.
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    There isn't realy a break-in period on new cars anymore.

    While it certainly isn't what it used to be, I'd disagree with this statement.... at least as far as Honda is concerned. The owner's manual spells it out.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    If you choose to believe that ABS would not help you avoid an accident, that is your poragative. I believe that a good ABS system will be more effective than locking the brakes, and sliding, with no control.
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    Honda has a lifetime warranty on mufflers

    Really? How did I miss that? For all years?
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Ok tallman1. I kind of misread it. It is a "replacement" lifetime warranty. In other words, all you will have to pay for is one muffler for the life of the car (as long as you own it). All I know for sure is 03 models, but other years are probably the same.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    ABS will in fact increase stopping distances often times (on dry pavement particularly), but if you can't steer the vehicle AND stop, it still becomes an issue of controlling the car in an emergency.

    I will be the first to admit, that when I had my wreck (June 2005), I was probably better than a typical 17 year old would have been on the roads (because I'm particularly AGAINST doing anything that will raise my insurance rates), but I was still inexperienced by most standards (still am in a lot of eyes, having logged about 70,000 miles total since I got my learner's permit). Still, in a split-second, I want to stand on the brakes and steer away from the hazard - something ABS allows me to do.

    Some people who never have had ABS are convinced that they do not need it, and I say more power to them - save the $400 or $500. I have pumped my brakes many times at one particular intersection in downtown Birmingham that manages to be as slick as ice in a decent rain. Still, I ended up squarely in the middle of that intersection as the light turned red, and also managed to be about one-half lane-width to the right as I slid...only traveling at the speed limit no less (35 MPH). I couldn't pump the brakes nearly as quickly and efficiently as ABS could, and ended up in the intersection as a result. Luckily, the light was just changing, and I just went on through the intersection (in effect running the red light) without a problem. With ABS, I think I would've stopped quicker, or at least, within my lane.
  • gasmizrgasmizr Posts: 40
    Like I said before only on the EX. You can not just order it as an option as with the Altima. Wanted an LX with power seats...Honda's answer; buy the EX but I can not fit with the sunroof :confuse:

    You are right about ABS is standard on just about everything. GM has had it across the board for a long time now. Maybe Nissan has it right since most folks looking for mid priced performance sedan probably will not want it just like they probably would not want stability control. They must have done some research or it would cause them to loose sales on the safety issue.

    On the break in period front. The dealer told me there was no break in period either. However, in reading the manual it stated to keep the car under 4K RPM till it has 1200 miles on it. The manual called this the break in period so I would assume Nissan wants you to take it a little easy when you first get the new car. :surprise: Always better the read the friendly manual to be sure.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    They must have done some research or it would cause them to loose sales on the safety issue.

    Maybe Nissan is loosing a few sales because of the lack of ABS.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Like I said before only on the EX. You can not just order it as an option as with the Altima. Wanted an LX with power seats

    Well, that isn't what you said, what you said was: The fact that I could get a power drivers seat, something you can not get in an Accord at any price. You said you couldn't get a power seat in the Accord, which isn't true. It isn't limited to EX only models as you said later either, just check out Honda's website before you assume everything.

    And yes, the first thousand miles of any new engine should really be taken easier than the rest of the car's life... :)

    Enjoy your new ride! :D
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    there's usualy some sort of break-in. my altima manual says first 1200 miles avoid reving over 4000 rpm's and try not to drive extended periods at the same speed. the fist one basicaly means don't run the dogpoop out of it before 1200 miles, and the second pretty much means don't get out on the highway and set the cruise control and drive the same speed for the next 4 hours.
    all break-in is for is to allow the piston rings to properly wear to the correct size and shape. but with modern manufacturing process the can be machined to almost the perfect size. they can use lasers and such to get them down to .001 inches in tolerance.
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    sometimes it will, sometimes it won't. It realy depends on the situation. More times than not, it won't make a difference. Most accidents (especialy the pull out in front of you type) do not leave enough time to avoid. doesn't matter if you have no abs, abs, or even a parachute in back. I log about 25k miles on my non-abs personal vehicles, and about 30k on the abs equiped company vehicle. the times i've felt the abs kick in are few and far between, and never in an accident situation. Don't get me wrong, it's not that abs is bad, just a bit over rated. I wouldn't not buy a car because it had abs, but i also wouldn't refuse to buy one because it lacked them. If it were such a big lifesaver, accident avoider, NTSB would have mandated its use like seatbelts and airbags.

    It is surprising that nissan hasn't made them standard, cause they're cheap as hell nowadays. $300 is all, less than a spoiler, or the floor mat/splash guard combo. and its not that nissan doesn't offer it. I'd be willing to bet they sell far more vehicles with abs than without. it just isn't standard.
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    all you will have to pay for is one muffler for the life of the car

    Pretty safe. Many muffler shops offer the same deal. I doubt too many people ever have to buy more than one muffler for their car, if that. And since my 95 Accord has over 220k on the original muffler, I suppose Honda would even be pretty safe offering lifetime on the original. :)
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    and most of the time thats just the cost of the muffler. you usualy have to pay for labor and any other pipes you need. the muffler itself is the cheap part, and why they offer lifetime. Midas does the same thing with their lifetime brake service. when the pads or shoes wear out, they won't charge you for the replacements, but you're still going to spend $200+ to get them installed, adjusted, and the rotors/drums turned.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Depends on whether you typically take short trips at city speeds or longer trips at highway speeds. The former will cost you mufflers, the latter will not. ;)
  • gasmizrgasmizr Posts: 40
    Here are the features for the Accord SE and the LX has slightly less in it but neither says power seats. That is reserved for EX which has power height adjustment and EX-L has 8 Way power or am I reading the Honda sight wrong? :confuse: My biggest complaint with Honda has been their packaging. Some things that need you need to be able to or so you can get a good fit in the car are not.

    I will enjoy my new altima. :)

    Standard Features: 2007 Accord Sedan
    Special Edition Manual Transmission

    Technical Features • 166-hp, 2.4-liter, 16-Valve, DOHC, i-VTEC®, 4-Cylinder Engine
    • 5-Speed Manual Transmission
    • Drive-by-Wire™ Throttle System
    • Double Wishbone Front Suspension
    • Five-Link Double Wishbone Rear Suspension
    • Variable Power-Assisted Rack-and-Pinion Steering
    • Power-Assisted Ventilated Front Disc/Solid Rear Disc Brakes
    • 100,000-miles-or-more Tune-Up Interval

    Safety Features • Dual-Stage, Dual Threshold Front Airbags (SRS)
    • Front Side Airbags with Passenger-Side Occupant Position Detection System (OPDS)
    • Side Curtain Airbags
    • Anti-Lock Braking System (ABS)
    • Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD)
    • Daytime Running Lights (DRL)
    • 3-Point Seat Belts at all Seating Positions
    • Front 3-Point Seat Belts with Automatic Tensioning System
    • Outboard Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children (LATCH)

    Interior Features • Air Conditioning with Air Filtration System
    • Cruise Control
    • Illuminated Cruise/Audio Steering Wheel-Mounted Controls
    • Power Windows with Auto-Up/Down Driver's Window
    • Fold-Down Rear-Seat Center Armrest/Trunk Pass-Through with Lock
    • Carbon-Fiber-Look Interior Accents
    • Center Console with Sliding Armrest and Storage Compartments
    • 120-Watt AM/FM/6-Disc In-Dash CD Changer Audio System with 6 speakers
    • Tilt and Telescopic Steering Column
    • Maintenance Minder™ System

    Exterior Features • Remote Entry System with Power Window Control
    • 16" Alloy Wheels
    • LED Brakelights
    • Body-Colored Power Side Mirrors
    • Chrome Exhaust Finisher
    • Multi-Reflector Halogen Headlights with Auto-off
    • Body-Colored Impact-Absorbing Bumpers
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    No, you are not reading it wrong. If you want power seats you have to have the moonroof too. You must be a big guy, if the moonroof is too low for you. Oh well, I guess Honda can't please everyone.
  • exshomanexshoman Posts: 109
    I'll be the first to admit that I don't care for Honda's lack of flexibility in feature selection, but I also don't care for Nissan's. Some folks say they like Honda's "no option" approach of different model lines (although calling EXL Navigation a separate model is stretching it a bit). Some say that picking options is too confusing. Well excuse me for not being confused by going down a list of options and checking off those I want and not checking those I don't. Real confusing, yeah right.

    However, it was easy for me to dismiss the Altima outright without even having driven it. The car we were looking for had to have 3 things - 4 cylinders, a stick shift, and a sunroof. Heated seats were a large plus. Altima didn't do it for us. It seemed as soon as you ordered any option, you had to get an automatic, which I refused to do on a 4 cylinder mid size car.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    From what I have read, unless the surface is say snow, and you want the plow-stop effect of standard brakes, the ABS certainly does stop in a shorter distance. If you are really good at threshold braking, I would say regular brakes and ABS are pretty close. For control and in panic situations, I can see how ABS is better. I can also envision some more rare cases where ABS is going to allow the car to roll a bit farther. Most of the time, the answer though is shorter stopping distance with ABS, with more control and no worries of flat spotting tires. And locked up tires stop in a longer distance. Now in town, if we are talking a few feet - perhaps a different story. And in snow or gravel, the effect of locked tires, pushing down like a plow, while building up snow or gravel ahead of them, could stop a car in a shorter distance. Since my SE V6 has ABS, I will go with along with being happy to have the system. Would I pay extra --- hummm, maybe, not sure.
    Loren
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    I think you would want to squeeze the brakes to the point of threshold locking, then back off. If starting to squel the tires, back off then squeeze on down again. Where possible steer out of situations. If in no-man's-land, pray!
    Loren
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    (although calling EXL Navigation a separate model is stretching it a bit).

    Actually, the 4 cyl EX-L is a quasi-separate model because of leather seats, not navi. (The "L" stands for leather.) It is true that you can only get navi in the EX-L model but the navi is an option. Dual climate control, heated seats, 8-way power driver's seat, XM radio, leather wrapped steering wheel, and exterior temp are the other items that come with the EX-L... unless I'm forgetting something.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    LX-V6 = 8-way Power Driver's Seat, According to Automobiles.honda.com

    That's where I got my "not EX only" statement... sorry for any confusion it may have caused.
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    The feature that always bothers me is the lumbar support. It's just a manual lever adjustment but you have to get an ex to get it. It really helps with comfort. I have bought 2 ex's over the years just to get the lumbar support. Bummer.
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    the ABS certainly does stop in a shorter distance

    no, it doesn't. all abs does is prevent the brakes from locking the wheeles. The abs won't even kick in unless the computer that controls them senses the wheeles are going to lock. at that point, it will reduce the pressure on the brakes, and you'll feel a pulsating sensation in the brake pedal. the rotor, callipers, pads and everything else at the wheel is the same in abs and non abs. the abs is under the hood and works with the master cylinder to control pressure applied to the brakes through valves (to reduce pressure in the brake lines) and a pump (to return pressure back to normal).

    to sum it up, here's what happens. Your driving down the road, and for whatever reason, you slam on your brakes as hard as you can. with normal brakes, the wheels will lock up. With abs, sensors on the wheeles will detect that they are slowing very fast and may lock up. at that time, valves in the brakelines going to your brakes will open and let pressure off the brakes (allowing the wheels to speed up) for a split second. in another split second, the valve closes and a pump under the hood increases the pressure in the brakelines to where it was. that constant depresuration, and repressuration of the brakelines is what cause the pulsating fell in the pedal.

    The thing with abs is that it's not always on. its always monitoring the wheels, but unless your about to lock it down, it doesn't do anything.

    Don't get the wrong idea, I'm by no means badmouthing abs. in poor road conditions they're great, and they will allow more control of your vehicle when you do have to slam the brakes on. I just think they are a bit overated. reducing your speed on bad roads, and paying attention while drive will inrease you chances of avoiding an accident far more than abs will. abs is a passive system (like airbags) that will only activate in specific situations. and much as airbags arn't an excuse to stop wearing your seatbelt, abs insn't a substitution for proper driving.
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