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While I would like to see a luxury division come out of Hyundai, I do not feel that buyers will be put off if the car has the Hyundai badge on it. The Veracruz I think proves that people will spend $30k on a Hyundai if it is priced lower than something comparable to it. And the company is slowly shaking off the image that has been associated with it since they started selling cars in the US.
So I am anticipating this car and would love to see my friends faces when I pull up in one and tell them it is a Hyundai...
definite genesis win
How can you determine from the video that the Genesis came out better than the Audi in the crash test?
I think the Hyundai brand, while much better then the days of the 'excel', still has an economy image, and people don't realize they are now on par with Toyota and Honda, this is why people pay more for Toyota & Honda. I think by simply branding the car "Genesis", I think it will intrigue people to learn that Hyundai made this masterpiece and increase Hyundai's brand value, kind of a weird reverse way on how they introduced the Lexus LS400, nowhere could you find the word LS400 on the car, or better yet how the NSX elevated Acura.
Americans will pay more for a brand, that's why Lexus, Acura and Infiniti only existed only in the US until recently. I remember reading something when the saturn sky was about to be released, they showed some panels the sky without any badges and it rated high, then they put a saturn badge on it and the ratings actually dropped.
Your statement says it all, why not pull up in a "Genesis" with the 'bentley-like badge" then tell them it's a Hyundai, they won't believe you and create more buzz on the car, if they see the economy-looking H on the grill some people might even tell you you wasted your money (not me :-)
>So I am anticipating this car and would love to see my friends faces when I pull up in one and tell them it is a Hyundai...
http://www.the-genesis.co.kr/
Now this is sessi! (sexy for those of you that can't enunciate) :P
Which is exactly what Hyundai wants you (us) Azera owners to do. We are the immediate gene pool for a successful US Genesis launch. I expect all of us will soon be bombarded with assorted incentives to step out / step up without taking a complete bath.
As for AWD, it's not offered on the LS460, BMW 7 series either.
-mike
I bet they have already made a knockoff the the Korean/China market Genesis-Bentley badges.
I read somewhere that Genesis was priced as a 3-Series, performance of a 5-Series, and space of a 7-Series.
Thanks.
Interior-wise and usable space (passenger vol + trunk vol) is concerned, this is where Hyundai shines:
the Azera is well ahead of both the E-Class and 5er. Should be the same case when the NA spec for the Genesis is released (i.e. well ahead of 7er & S-Class).
quoted from http://www.zercustoms.com/news/Hyundai-Genesis-V8.html
Just 2 days until launch in Korea. US launch will be at the detroit show. Shows the BT integration which is nice. Maybe not all the bluetooth pics but nice. Going to have an 8" VGA LCD screen for navigation, bt, radio and more. Rear seat DVD is probably not going to be in the US version. Maybe not the DVD changer. Would like to see the cluster ionizer. Enjoy!
http://www.bobaedream.co.kr/board/data/data_view.php?code=national&No=89921
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rich_hobo94/sets/72157603657820339/
Wow even more shots. Again some of the pics have that mountain of fake wood. The leather dash one looks great. Even shows some non navigation models. Expect a decontented version of that navigation system to reach the US shores. Hope they keep the nice graphics and voice recognition. Navigation is this Telematics system that has live DMB TV, Navigation, Bluetooth, Voice Recognition, Telematics ala Onstar but better, 8.0" VGA screen, Rear Seat DVD, Control knob and more. Enjoy!
PS: The one with the funky grille is the BH330 model which has the 3.3L engine. The 380 has the formal grille with the big V in it. Just to clarify that.
props to bobaedream, opplock aka richhobo94, and Kindbany.
Why, if this is the Korean verion are all of the button markings printed in English?
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-hyundai-genesis-sedan/
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/08/detroit-08-preview-2009-hyundai-genesis-shake- s-things-up/
Could post the press release but hey it would take a lot of space. Enjoy!
Oddly, HP has been reduced in the V8 from 380 to 368. The photos show another grill version, and the flying H only seems to appear on the trunk and wheel center caps. Is this really the US version?
If so, that badge on this car is the kiss of death.
Memo to Korea: Give us what we want. Slap on the Genesis badge.
How about we go to the horse's mouth for that...
http://www.hyundainews.com
or
http://hyundainews.com/Media_Kits/2009_Models/Genesis/Press_Release.asp
and for some good pics...
http://hyundainews.com/Media_Kits/2009_Models/Genesis/Photo_Gallery.asp
Enjoy!
As for the hp, it was never "reduced" to 368hp, the whole 380 was speculation from "us" in the first place
So you say, but the 380hp was published countless times by automotive sources other than "us".
It's 368hp on regular; 375hp on premium.
base 3.3 - 264hp (regular fuel) ???hp (premium)
mid-level 3.8 - 290hp (regular) ???hp (premium)
range-topper 4.6 - 368hp (regular) 375hp (premium)
Did Hyundai mention anywhere in the last year that the US Genesis is going to get the 3.3? I believe most of the advertisement was on the 3.8 and 4.6 Tau V8. No Hyundai did NOT lie about the Genesis will start at below $30k, it's just not with the engine that we expected to see.
Now we have hp ratings based on grade of fuel? Korean Kurve Ball.
Not that i read. The speculation or publicity reported elsewhere than on these Forums always alluded to the 3.8 (Azera tweaked) and 4.6. Offering the 3.3 as the base in Azera makes more sense than in this "new" platform.
One of their Fountain Valley suits stated that Hyundai used "the engineering benchmarks of E-Class, Infinity M and Lexus GS".
More double-speak.
HMA never gave us much the details about the V6 powerplant of the Genesis sedan. Keep in mind the concept debuted with the Tau V8 (http://www.hyundainews.com/Media_Kits/Concept_Cars/GENESIS/Press_Release.asp). The 3.8 V6 was associated with the Genesis coupe concept, which will produce over 300hp.
As said, I applaud Hyundai for making three different engines available. It is fantastic the 3.3 pumps out 264hp, without the need of premium fuel or direct injection; ditto on the 3.8 (290hp on regular).
Just like the Toyota 3.5: 268hp on regular; 272hp on premium
The V6 powerplants should get a bump as well (like the V8) with premium grade.
Oh, give me a break. You are acting like nobody was talking about the 3.8 V6 before Hyundai debut the Genesis coupe in the LA Auto show.
Do a search in this forum or google to see if the 3.3 was ever mentioned anywhere over the last year after the Detroit Auto Show. Hyundai didn't lie, they somehow did manage to get the Genesis below $30k but it is indeed a curve ball since ALMOST NOBODY was expecting the 3.3 to be the base engine.
No one is arguing with you that Genesis isn't a great accomplishment for Hyundai but the latest spin show you are putting on here doesn't do your credibility much well.
Since you excel (pardon the pun) in splitting hairs, actually there are four, if you include the sub 3.3 in the Korean home market.
I see nothing wrong with the 3.3L, on the other hand. At every engine level, this should be an fine automobile, and IMO worth every penny if the early reviews are anything to go by. There aren't many products out there that delivery so much for so little.
Did anyone say there's something wrong with the 3.3? :confuse:
What I was trying to say is that many people expected to see the 3.8 as the base engine since the 3.3 was never mentioned during any of the discussions over the last year. We all know that the KDM is getting the 3.3 and 3.8 but I would bet my car key that not many people saw the 3.3 to be the base engine here over the states.
I maintain that Hyundai did throw a curve ball but I am glad to see that they kept the sub-$30k promise. Good for them.