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how Hyundai is the biggest waste of anyone's money and that they should always be sheeping along and buying a Toy/Lex, and the good doctor's posts don't get removed? Even though he's trolling and catching quite a few complaints along the way?
I know the internet highway is free and open but drfill complete's the definition of an internet troll. Seen it for about 8 years now and it is the same way it looked in the late 90's when I was just getting started on cars on the internet.
Anyway, I was just wondering, do the hosts like the real Dr.Phil? And they think that a car internet chat drfill is almost as soothing as the real Dr.Phil? I mean, this is a thread solely about the 2008-2009 Hyundai Genesis. Not Toyota and Lexus, yet he points his fishing boat squarely at those fishing in Hyundai luxury RWD V8 waters. And collides head-on with several boats. And this is just fine?
I think the good doc fears Hyundai with their new Genesis and he's here to steer y'all back to Toy/Lex-land(as if you really wanted to head there anyway, eeek!!!)quickly before you learned what a great deal you will get on your new Genesis in the near future. It's not all about buying the same luxury car your rich uncle bought and speels on about. Some people are interested in a luxury car that is also a great deal with a great Long-Haul Warranty.
Hyundai is building a vehicle that will produce rich results for them, IMHO.
Even though hyundai hasn't confirmed it this could be the equus in korea but it's most likely going to be the dynasty replacement. The LWB BH codenamed VI will probably replace the korean Mitsubishi derived Equus. This car will most likely be named genesis.
Once the new word on Toyota's slip in reliability from CR filters down to the general populace, thereby affecting Toyota's sales, I think some posters who have always had an anti-Hyundai bias on Edmunds will become more objective.
What news? The only news you've delivered is your spite for Hyundai. It doesn't matter anyway - this isn't a Hyundai general talk forum, this is the BH thread. This isn't a sales forum, this isn't a Hyundai vs. Toyota/Lexus. Post your propaganda elsewhere, or start a new forum if you want to continue your rant.
I don't remember the beginning of this forum but more recently, everyone has been posting BH related info (keyword BH related info) and having normal discussions about the BH (again keyword being the BH), until somewhere asked a perfectly fine question about the availability of the 08 Azera, and you had to provoke with your usual Hyundai propaganda. Few cares in here but most would like you to stop and take it elsewhere.
When was the last time you posted something useful about the BH in here, or actually engaged in a discussion about the BH?? Didn't think so. If you keep wanting to throw in my face about the comparison MotorTrend RE: Veracruz vs. RX, and how you alleged it was bogus, and may I add without substantial evidence claimed Hyundai paid off M/T, I'd be happy to setup a meeting so you can talk things over with the editor-in-chief at M/T. For your benefit, you really need to read your own post before hitting the submit button, most of the content are far from the truth.
By the way, you said you were done talking to me. Live up to it.
PS: This is just for you - you will be very surprised when the BH comes out. Actually, doesn't matter, you will probably just bash it down like always.
When was the last time you posted something useful about the BH in here, or actually engaged in a discussion about the BH??
What's to discuss?
Hyundai has the cash, but doesn't have the guts, to challenge luxury marques with this car, so they hedge their bet.
That is a topic for discussion, and it definitely involves the BS.....I mean BH. Sorry.
This is just for you - you will be very surprised when the BH comes out.
I'm not gonna care when it's out. Why would I care?
My job is to make sure the casual buyer that stops by here for information isn't led blindly into thinking this car is something it isn't.
It is a Hyundai. That's all it is! That's all it's ever gonna be. :surprise:
If you keep wanting to throw in my face about the comparison MotorTrend RE: Veracruz vs. RX, and how you alleged it was bogus, and may I add without substantial evidence claimed Hyundai paid off M/T, I'd be happy to setup a meeting so you can talk things over with the editor-in-chief at M/T.
The fact that it was the only time it has won a comparison in recent memory, surrounded by last-place finishes in multiple publications, is not suspicious at all.
I'm not gonna care when it's out. Why would I care?
So why are you here?
My job is to make sure the casual buyer that stops by here for information isn't led blindly into thinking this car is something it isn't.
Saying it like a true basher. So if this is the reason you are here, and if you are serving your "duty", then you should be visiting all forums, and not just Hyundai ones.
What else is new?
If you wouldn't mind, I would really like to get back to, and gather get more info about the BH as it approaches unveiling. In case you hadn't notice, this forum serves the same purpose just like any other future cars forums, people looking to find out more info. Next time if you are accusing false info posted here, then provide examples please, instead of being all talks. All of your content so far are: Hyundai can't compete, Hyundai can't compete, Hyundai can't compete. That ought to sum it up. And, nothing about the BH.
What else is new. Keep trolling.
There is a difference between getting suspicious and being so sure by passing off as facts. Again, I'd be more than happy to set you guys up. And once again, you are selecting the comparos in your interest and ignoring those you don't want to believe they are true. To you, Hyundai is always bottom-feeder.
PS: Why are you still talking to me? You said it yourself you were done talking to me.
You guys don't seem so proud of the heritage, the pursuit of excellence, both past and present. It's like you want to supress Hyundai's glorious past (and present). :confuse:
That's enough. You have made your position way more than clear here over and over again. You are having these same conversations in discussions all over the Forums. There really is no need for yoiu to continue to repeat yourself all over the place.
Genesis? Or are we still ducking sand being tossed in our face from the good doctor?
I am excited about the new Hyundai Genesis and I think that Hyundai will continue to show the same prowess that they have been showing the last 5 or 6 years, winning awards for initial quality and finally starting to win over some tough nuts at CR for building great vehicles. Their fine manufacturing and building progress is being noticed and is selling. Remember how long they've been at this compared to Toy/Hon/Nis, etc.
This new Genesis is different, a V8 RWD luxury car. We've been told that it will sell at reasonable prices, too. Sounds like a recipe for success from Hyundai.
I posted this in the "Is there any room for Hyundai in the Luxury Market" discussion board. Hopefully the response applies here. Let me know if I messed up on any of the items below:
Let's talk what we know. The key features on the production-ready concept version should carry over to the production version:
Advanced adaptive cruise control All of Hyundai standard safety features Heat / cool seats High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps with adaptive leveling Push-button start Navigation with backup camera Electric parking brake Bluetooth technology USB / Auxiliary input jack HD Radio™ Receiver XM Satellite Radio® · Infinity® Discrete Surround Audio System
It will offer more than one type of suspension, allowing buyers to choose the one that best meets their needs.
There was a spy shot, and on the Nav screen, it showed the leveling of the car, which seemed to indicate something along the lines of height adjustable suspension - we shall wait and see since it was a Korean spec mule.
I've also heard talks of XM NavTraffic but that is remained to be seen. Here is the HD radio press release:
Hyundai To Offer HD Radio™ Receiver On Future Premium Sports Sedan
NEW YORK, April 4, 2007 – Hyundai will continue to stay on the leading edge of automotive technology by offering HD Radio on its rear-wheel drive premium sports sedan scheduled for introduction in 2008.
“In 2005, Hyundai broke an industry barrier by announcing it would be the first automaker to standardize satellite radio in all of our vehicles,” said John Krafcik, vice president of Strategic Planning and Product Development, Hyundai Motor America. “By adding the option of HD Radio reception to our new premium sports sedan we will continue to provide Hyundai customers with the latest digital technology to enhance the driving experience.”
More than 1200 AM and FM stations, available to approximately 80 percent of the U.S. population, are using HD Radio technology to transmit digital audio and data to their listeners.
Consumer benefits of HD Radio broadcasting include:
* Across the country, 550 HD2 multicast channels on the FM dial offer additional, subscription-free content that can only be heard with an HD Radio receiver. These channels feature fresh new music and news formats, showcase young artists and local bands, air non-English language programming, and more. * Crystal-clear, static-free reception * CD-quality FM stations * FM-stereo quality sound AM stations * Text display on an LCD screen including: artist names, song titles, weather and traffic alerts, school closings, sports scores, etc. * Best of all, there are no fees associated with HD Radio programming.
Currently only BMW offers HD radio as factory-installed options; Jaguar and Hyundai to join the party soon. Ford has it as dealer-installed options, I believe.
Pics of Genesis that I have seen look great. I only wish that they would get away from badges on grille and rear deck. I realize that they want to advertise brand name, but lines would look better them.
Will the production version be at the LA auto show? If so, I'll probably look at it just after the Pontiac G8 and Lincoln MKS. Who else will be at the LA show? I'll probably be there the first day, shortly after it opens.
Jan 9th. for S. Korea. Korean version might not get the Tau v8 but the US version will of course get it. Korea will get a 3.3L and a 3.8L Lambda II v6. Both will have Direct Injection. The 3.8L will make at least 300 HP (+-).
It looks like the Korean version will have an optional Adujstable suspension. USDM version might get it on the top end Limited v8 with Ultimate Package. The BH will get an LCD in all trims regardless of navigation.
One of the recent spy shots of a Korean mule indicated height-adjusted suspension on the Navigation screen.
Haven't heard about the lane departure warning system, which does not spell (mean) whether it will, or will not be part of the features; just the info are petty tight-lipped. Regardless, I am sure we'll find out the final specs sooner than later
Also the navigation, Audio, AC, and other features are controlled by a knob. It spins and then you have a mouse button above to select commands. Also the USDM version will have Voice recognition from what I have heard. That will help using the system. It seemed very easy to use unlike Idrive. Maybe it's easier once you get used to it. It controls car related features in the menu as well.
Supposedly this is the LWB genesis. BHL will be the codename or VI. Nobody Knows for sure. I see quite a bit of Azera in this photo. Could this be the Facelifted Azera. But then again who knows.
Hyundai previews Genesis Coupe 10/30/07, 02:13pm, EDT
Hyundai today released two teaser sketches of its forthcoming Genesis Coupe, which will arrive some time after the Genesis/i50 sedan — likely as a 2010 model.
Concept Genesis Coupe will make its world debut at the 2007 Los Angeles International Auto Show on Wednesday November 14th, the Korean automaker said. "Concept Genesis Coupe hints at design direction for a future rear-wheel drive sports coupe from Hyundai," a press release read.
The car will be based on Hyundai's BH rear-wheel-drive platform.
The concept sketch you posted does correspond to the concept model previewed at 07 NYIAS. Hyundai has indicated long while ago the production model will be somewhat different from the concept but relatively similar in the overall shape, execution and styling. Right off the bat, you know the front lights and fog lights weren't to be made into production...
This is not the first time a concept from an auto manufacturer looks somewhat different than the production model - that's why it's called concept vehicles. Regardless, it's hard to make a definitive judgment with the camo on, let's wait until the production model is revealed. Personally, I am more interested to find out how it rides
The production version will not look like that. You need to see the spyshots in older pages. They are most likely going to look like the car on the left. Ok maybe they will tone it down but it will look mcuh better than that car.
Not the BH-L. This is the VI. The VI is an upscale LWB genesis.
Some spy pics of the VI and the BH. The older BH. The American BH will probably have the concept genesis like look to it. Maybe they had an older BH mule. It seems that all BH models could get a different grille.
By JERRY GARRETT Published: April 5, 2007 Introduced on Wednesday: Hyundai Genesis concept
Is it real? Though it is technically a design study, Concept Genesis, as Hyundai calls its looks "very much like the production version" that is on the way.
What's the point? Hyundai has been flirting with the idea of offering premium models for some time. The Genesis would be the Lexus level of Hyundai's lineup.
What they said: "This is not just a concept car," said Steve Wilhite, chief operating officer of Hyundai Motor America. "It's really a fast-forward journey into the future of the Hyundai brand."
What they didn't say: The first Lexus LS was a screaming bargain that trumped everything else in the premium segment on price and features. A Lexus is no longer such a bargain, but the Genesis would be a Lexuslike bargain with a wide array of standard features, if Hyundai sticks to the promises made here in terms of performance and price.
What makes it tick? Genesis, a rear-wheel-drive sedan, will feature Hyundai's first V-8 engine; horsepower output is promised to be "well over 300."
How much, how soon? Second half of 2008, with a promised price "well under $30,000." Well, well.
How's it look? Bigger than the Lexus GS, smaller than the LS, the photogenic Genesis in person looks more like the current Toyota Camry from the front, a Nissan Maxima from the side a Buick from behind.
RE: 923 Don't know where they got the info about the well under 30K. What I have read indicated a STARTING price under 30K, but fully equipped models ranging to near 40K. Am I wrong?
It will start under 30K for the V6 version; the V8 will probably start in the range of low-to-mid 30s.
Marketing talk. Nothing wrong with the article. The car can be had for "well under 30K"
By the way to the OP, the article's date is probably right. The article was written when the concept had debuted at the New York International Auto Show April of this year.
re 926 "V8 - rumored anywhere from 340 to 380 horses"
340hp is a deal killer, to "me too" and chasing Hemi 340's. HP is cheap at the point of manufacturing related to consumer acceptance at product launch.
In 2002 Hyundai "mis-stated" HP claims on several models resulting in the loss of a class action suit in the US. I suppose they could always mis-state again, on the high side.
Not sure I would agree with you. For one you can have to much HP in a car, secondly as you increase HP every increase of 'X' hp results in a smaller increase of performance over the last 'X' increase. Finally since there is almost always traffic in front of me why have all that HP that I will never use.
I will take features with adequate HP.
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For Hyundai to launch a RWD/V8 will position Genesis in an instand comparison with two competitive arenas, the Hemi 300C-Charger/G8 and the German/Japan collections.
Hyundai will never "out feature" GerPan at any price but could compete favorably in performance at a significant savings.
My original point is that 340hp is old news, and G8 reflects that.
There are "features" in my Azera I seldom if ever use, but I'm always inclined to compare product capability.
Well, let's look at it this way ... let's say, just for the sake of throwing numbers out there, the G8 comes out to $32k for optioned out with 365hp (i think that was the last number i read) and can go 0-60 in 5.6 secs. Would the Genesis really be such a dog if it had 340hp, could run to 60 in 5.8 secs and, comparably equipped to the $32k G8, cost $28k? If you are the type of person who is so bothered by miniscule specs that come down to driver capability, then spend the extra $4k. Personally, I could think of much better ways to spend $4k than for 2 tenths of a second.
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Exactly my sentiments. Plus, the G8 is more of a track car, sport-oriented; while the BH/Genesis focuses on luxury and peformance. The G8 left out a lot of key features to attack the luxury field, which is kind of my earlier point, but looks to be a great car nonetheless.
The G8 and the BH each caters to different crowds.
Of course we should keep in mind the BH horspeower rating has not been annouced yet so we'll see when we see it
So long as the V6 number (300hp) stays true, that will be more than sufficient for most, I'd imagine; the V8 adds an extra kick for sure.
Comments
I know the internet highway is free and open but drfill complete's the definition of an internet troll. Seen it for about 8 years now and it is the same way it looked in the late 90's when I was just getting started on cars on the internet.
Anyway, I was just wondering, do the hosts like the real Dr.Phil? And they think that a car internet chat drfill is almost as soothing as the real Dr.Phil? I mean, this is a thread solely about the 2008-2009 Hyundai Genesis. Not Toyota and Lexus, yet he points his fishing boat squarely at those fishing in Hyundai luxury RWD V8 waters. And collides head-on with several boats. And this is just fine?
I think the good doc fears Hyundai with their new Genesis and he's here to steer y'all back to Toy/Lex-land(as if you really wanted to head there anyway, eeek!!!)quickly before you learned what a great deal you will get on your new Genesis in the near future. It's not all about buying the same luxury car your rich uncle bought and speels on about. Some people are interested in a luxury car that is also a great deal with a great Long-Haul Warranty.
Hyundai is building a vehicle that will produce rich results for them, IMHO.
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The whole purpose of you being around Hyundai forums is to bash.
Do you agree?
There are so many valuable things to do out there so don't waste your life on hatred. :mad:
Genesis, much less Hyundai, is no threat to Toyota/Lexus, especially given the management strategies of the company.
Just reporting the news from Steinbrenner's office. Don't shoot the messenger! :confuse:
This is the Genesis Forum, not the Genesis Fan Club. Big difference.
DrFill
I don't remember the beginning of this forum but more recently, everyone has been posting BH related info (keyword BH related info) and having normal discussions about the BH (again keyword being the BH), until somewhere asked a perfectly fine question about the availability of the 08 Azera, and you had to provoke with your usual Hyundai propaganda. Few cares in here but most would like you to stop and take it elsewhere.
Thanks!!
No more comparisons to vehicles that Hyundai can't/won't compete with, and I won't come in here and correct your handiwork.
That goes for all of you.
Deal?
DrFill
By the way, you said you were done talking to me. Live up to it.
PS: This is just for you - you will be very surprised when the BH comes out. Actually, doesn't matter, you will probably just bash it down like always.
What's to discuss?
Hyundai has the cash, but doesn't have the guts, to challenge luxury marques with this car, so they hedge their bet.
That is a topic for discussion, and it definitely involves the BS.....I mean BH. Sorry.
This is just for you - you will be very surprised when the BH comes out.
I'm not gonna care when it's out. Why would I care?
My job is to make sure the casual buyer that stops by here for information isn't led blindly into thinking this car is something it isn't.
It is a Hyundai. That's all it is! That's all it's ever gonna be. :surprise:
If you keep wanting to throw in my face about the comparison MotorTrend RE: Veracruz vs. RX, and how you alleged it was bogus, and may I add without substantial evidence claimed Hyundai paid off M/T, I'd be happy to setup a meeting so you can talk things over with the editor-in-chief at M/T.
The fact that it was the only time it has won a comparison in recent memory, surrounded by last-place finishes in multiple publications, is not suspicious at all.
Right....
I sleep the sleep of the righteous.
DrFill
So why are you here?
My job is to make sure the casual buyer that stops by here for information isn't led blindly into thinking this car is something it isn't.
Saying it like a true basher. So if this is the reason you are here, and if you are serving your "duty", then you should be visiting all forums, and not just Hyundai ones.
What else is new?
If you wouldn't mind, I would really like to get back to, and gather get more info about the BH as it approaches unveiling. In case you hadn't notice, this forum serves the same purpose just like any other future cars forums, people looking to find out more info. Next time if you are accusing false info posted here, then provide examples please, instead of being all talks. All of your content so far are: Hyundai can't compete, Hyundai can't compete, Hyundai can't compete. That ought to sum it up. And, nothing about the BH.
What else is new. Keep trolling.
There is a difference between getting suspicious and being so sure by passing off as facts. Again, I'd be more than happy to set you guys up. And once again, you are selecting the comparos in your interest and ignoring those you don't want to believe they are true. To you, Hyundai is always bottom-feeder.
PS: Why are you still talking to me? You said it yourself you were done talking to me.
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Oh you care, you know you care, we know you care. If you didn't care you wouldn't be here trashing Hyundai in every post.
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Just taking a few steps down Memory Lane.
Memories......
You guys don't seem so proud of the heritage, the pursuit of excellence, both past and present. It's like you want to supress Hyundai's glorious past (and present). :confuse:
DrFill
You know I don't care.
And you know, that I know, that you know, that I know I don't care.... :P
DrFill
Leave it be.
Well said.
I am excited about the new Hyundai Genesis and I think that Hyundai will continue to show the same prowess that they have been showing the last 5 or 6 years, winning awards for initial quality and finally starting to win over some tough nuts at CR for building great vehicles. Their fine manufacturing and building progress is being noticed and is selling. Remember how long they've been at this compared to Toy/Hon/Nis, etc.
This new Genesis is different, a V8 RWD luxury car. We've been told that it will sell at reasonable prices, too. Sounds like a recipe for success from Hyundai.
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Let's talk what we know. The key features on the production-ready concept version should carry over to the production version:
Advanced adaptive cruise control
All of Hyundai standard safety features
Heat / cool seats
High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps with adaptive leveling
Push-button start
Navigation with backup camera
Electric parking brake
Bluetooth technology
USB / Auxiliary input jack
HD Radio™ Receiver
XM Satellite Radio® · Infinity® Discrete Surround Audio System
It will offer more than one type of suspension, allowing buyers to choose the one that best meets their needs.
There was a spy shot, and on the Nav screen, it showed the leveling of the car, which seemed to indicate something along the lines of height adjustable suspension - we shall wait and see since it was a Korean spec mule.
I've also heard talks of XM NavTraffic but that is remained to be seen. Here is the HD radio press release:
Hyundai To Offer HD Radio™ Receiver On Future Premium Sports Sedan
NEW YORK, April 4, 2007 – Hyundai will continue to stay on the leading edge of automotive technology by offering HD Radio on its rear-wheel drive premium sports sedan scheduled for introduction in 2008.
“In 2005, Hyundai broke an industry barrier by announcing it would be the first automaker to standardize satellite radio in all of our vehicles,” said John Krafcik, vice president of Strategic Planning and Product Development, Hyundai Motor America. “By adding the option of HD Radio reception to our new premium sports sedan we will continue to provide Hyundai customers with the latest digital technology to enhance the driving experience.”
More than 1200 AM and FM stations, available to approximately 80 percent of the U.S. population, are using HD Radio technology to transmit digital audio and data to their listeners.
Consumer benefits of HD Radio broadcasting include:
* Across the country, 550 HD2 multicast channels on the FM dial offer additional, subscription-free content that can only be heard with an HD Radio receiver. These channels feature fresh new music and news formats, showcase young artists and local bands, air non-English language programming, and more.
* Crystal-clear, static-free reception
* CD-quality FM stations
* FM-stereo quality sound AM stations
* Text display on an LCD screen including: artist names, song titles, weather and traffic alerts, school closings, sports scores, etc.
* Best of all, there are no fees associated with HD Radio programming.
http://www.ibiquity.com/press_room/news_releases/2007/1008
Currently only BMW offers HD radio as factory-installed options; Jaguar and Hyundai to join the party soon. Ford has it as dealer-installed options, I believe.
Sounds good to me.
And all for under 35K?
I only wish that they would get away from badges on grille and rear deck. I realize that they want to advertise brand name, but lines would look better them.
But the Korean-spec will debut in the S. Korean (home) market prior to the opening of NAIAS.
Look for the BH/Genesis coupe at LAIAS, albeit in concept version. The production for that will unveil in London next year.
I am also curious to know whether the BH will have any form of Lane Departure Warning system Standard or Optional
Haven't heard about the lane departure warning system, which does not spell (mean) whether it will, or will not be part of the features; just the info are petty tight-lipped. Regardless, I am sure we'll find out the final specs sooner than later
Supposedly this is the LWB genesis. BHL will be the codename or VI. Nobody Knows for sure. I see quite a bit of Azera in this photo. Could this be the Facelifted Azera. But then again who knows.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/hyundai-genesis-coupe.html
3 sketches shown.....
Hyundai previews Genesis Coupe
10/30/07, 02:13pm, EDT
Hyundai today released two teaser sketches of its forthcoming Genesis Coupe, which will arrive some time after the Genesis/i50 sedan — likely as a 2010 model.
Concept Genesis Coupe will make its world debut at the 2007 Los Angeles International Auto Show on Wednesday November 14th, the Korean automaker said. "Concept Genesis Coupe hints at design direction for a future rear-wheel drive sports coupe from Hyundai," a press release read.
The car will be based on Hyundai's BH rear-wheel-drive platform.
This is not the first time a concept from an auto manufacturer looks somewhat different than the production model - that's why it's called concept vehicles. Regardless, it's hard to make a definitive judgment with the camo on, let's wait until the production model is revealed. Personally, I am more interested to find out how it rides
Not the BH-L. This is the VI. The VI is an upscale LWB genesis.
Some spy pics of the VI and the BH. The older BH. The American BH will probably have the concept genesis like look to it. Maybe they had an older BH mule. It seems that all BH models could get a different grille.
My guess they meant Nov 5 and not April 5...
By JERRY GARRETT
Published: April 5, 2007
Introduced on Wednesday: Hyundai Genesis concept
Is it real? Though it is technically a design study, Concept Genesis, as Hyundai calls its looks "very much like the production version" that is on the way.
What's the point? Hyundai has been flirting with the idea of offering premium models for some time. The Genesis would be the Lexus level of Hyundai's lineup.
What they said: "This is not just a concept car," said Steve Wilhite, chief operating officer of Hyundai Motor America. "It's really a fast-forward journey into the future of the Hyundai brand."
What they didn't say: The first Lexus LS was a screaming bargain that trumped everything else in the premium segment on price and features. A Lexus is no longer such a bargain, but the Genesis would be a Lexuslike bargain with a wide array of standard features, if Hyundai sticks to the promises made here in terms of performance and price.
What makes it tick? Genesis, a rear-wheel-drive sedan, will feature Hyundai's first V-8 engine; horsepower output is promised to be "well over 300."
How much, how soon? Second half of 2008, with a promised price "well under $30,000." Well, well.
How's it look? Bigger than the Lexus GS, smaller than the LS, the photogenic Genesis in person looks more like the current Toyota Camry from the front, a Nissan Maxima from the side a Buick from behind.
Don't know where they got the info about the well under 30K.
What I have read indicated a STARTING price under 30K, but fully equipped models ranging to near 40K.
Am I wrong?
It will start under 30K for the V6 version; the V8 will probably start in the range of low-to-mid 30s.
Marketing talk. Nothing wrong with the article. The car can be had for "well under 30K"
By the way to the OP, the article's date is probably right. The article was written when the concept had debuted at the New York International Auto Show April of this year.
V6 - all but confirmed 300hp (the coupe will defn. have 300hp AFAIK).
V8 - rumored anywhere from 340 to 380 horses
Lots and lots of features.
Anything else missed?
340hp is a deal killer, to "me too" and chasing Hemi 340's. HP is cheap at the point of manufacturing related to consumer acceptance at product launch.
In 2002 Hyundai "mis-stated" HP claims on several models resulting in the loss of a class action suit in the US. I suppose they could always mis-state again, on the high side.
I'll take more hp and less "features".
I don't care if a vehicle has 1000 hp if it doesn't perform.
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Not sure I would agree with you. For one you can have to much HP in a car, secondly as you increase HP every increase of 'X' hp results in a smaller increase of performance over the last 'X' increase. Finally since there is almost always traffic in front of me why have all that HP that I will never use.
I will take features with adequate HP.
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Hyundai will never "out feature" GerPan at any price but could compete favorably in performance at a significant savings.
My original point is that 340hp is old news, and G8 reflects that.
There are "features" in my Azera I seldom if ever use, but I'm always inclined to compare product capability.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
The G8 and the BH each caters to different crowds.
Of course we should keep in mind the BH horspeower rating has not been annouced yet so we'll see when we see it
So long as the V6 number (300hp) stays true, that will be more than sufficient for most, I'd imagine; the V8 adds an extra kick for sure.
Do you really think $28K will buy the V-8? I'd love to have your crystal ball.