Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

rv65

Debut is NAIAS for USDM. Maybe but hyundai is going to debut the Korean version in december. Maybe by then they will produce it. Maybe early 2008 will be the production date.

Genesis will get a MMI like version of the LG navi. It will get a backup camera that could possibly be retrofitted to the touch screen cars. Those vehicles are the Veracruz, Santa Fe, Azera and the 09 sonata.

tgkoenigsegg

Does anyone know what engines there will be. I know there should be a 3.8L V6 from the Azera but what about the 4.6L V8?

joe97

3.8L V6 Lambda - current housed in the Azera/Veracruz (but will be in its second generation - more power, around 300 hp with the help of direct injection, yet respectful fuel economy figures)

4.6L V8 Tau - new engine from the "Tau" family. We might see two other variants coming as well, 5.0L & 5.5L, including superchargers and cyclinder deactivation.

ricwhite

Genesis Concept Video

Video of the Genesis Concept.

jeansyc

In listing the features of the Genesis Hyundai lists "ADVANCED Adaptive Cruise Control". What does this mean as opposed to "Adaptive Cruise Control"? Anyone?

floridabob1

RE: 734
The advanced adaptive cruise control that I am aware of is lazar guided. The cruise control will automatically reduce the speed of your car if you approach too close to the car in front. It will readjust to the set speed if and when the hazard is removed.

gamleged

A "Premium sports sedan" with "sport tuned suspension"...

joe97

V6 300hp
V8 380hp

i'm confirming this...

dborth

V6 300hp
V8 380hp

i'm confirming this...

And, your source of information would be......?

rv65

The head of hyundai r and d told South Korean Business Execs that the 4.6L tau v8 will make 380 HP in genesis form. It will have variable valve timing and lift. Plus it will have cylinder deactivation. Both of these combinded is a first for any v8. They had planned for 342 but the test drivers say it's bloody fast. So that might have confirmed the hp output. I wonder if they will do G8 vs. BH comparos.

jonnylee

Dang if it is indeed 380HP, that would be indeed bloody fast..
0-60 in less than 5 seconds?

qbrozen

nah. its still an automatic and will probably be a pretty heavy car. Most likely mid-to-high 5s. And that's only if it has the right gearing, a good torque band, and, most importantly, traction. Otherwise, low 6s.

rv65

Well this is just speculation.

tgkoenigsegg

What kind of automatic will it be, a 5 speed or 6 speed?

joe97

6 speed

rv65

Hyundai said the concept will be 6 speed. It's looking good. Looks like it can crush a g8 even with it's luxury if it has those numbers.

dborth

The head of hyundai r and d told South Korean Business Execs that the 4.6L tau v8 will make 380 HP in genesis form.

380hp? If true, this is "well over 300hp". I trust this R & D guy remembers the US class action lawsuit Hyundai lost for overstating hp claim for certain Hyundai models 5 years ago.

tgkoenigsegg

What kind of luxury car are you talking about? For $30K you could get an Audi A4 Front Wheel Drive 4 Cylinder and I don't even know what options you'll get. So for $30K you can't get much. The Genesis will have Rear Wheel Drive and a 300 hp V6 and 380 hp V8 with many standard features that will compete with the BMW 5 Series that goes for around $45-50K and the Mercedes E-Class which starts at $50K. So I think it would be a good thing to buy the Genesis because it would be about $15-20K off.

rv65

LG is going to make the Navi in the genesis. They are going to make the Touch Screen system in the 09 sonata, Santa Fe, Azera, and Veracruz. The BH version will get traffic updates, better sound system, MMI like controller, bluetooth and backup camera. I bet this backup camera could work on the LG touch screen system.

derrelhgreen

See: http://worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/

Kind of looks like a fat CLincoln Continental to this writter!

Hope it gets changed some before it travels here!

Your opinions and mileage may vary.

FYI FWIW

rv65

Not bad but pretty conservative. This car is sold as the equus which has cool tech toys like Mozen MTS300.

rv65

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scingram/sets/72157601554938606/?page=2

It's in the gallery. There are more spy pics I will post later. This car should rival the competition quite nicely. You can see genesis cues but you have to look for them.

rv65

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8924940@N06/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14086328@N00/sets/72157602005814116/

Some nice pics of the BH interior. Well it's a KDM version. LG will be doing the US version screen and maybe Korea. Hope you guys enjoy it.

corvette

I have grown to detest the metal-flake-painted plastic trim that seems to pervade most modern car interiors, from the low end to the high end. I can deal with fake aluminum accents, but for switches and large swaths of dash panels, why can't they use solid-color plastic (which would be more durable and tasteful)? BMW even uses the painted plastic junk as the interior door handles on their 7-series. Yuck!

ricksv70

What can I say other than I am appalled at all that fake wood. I am watching the Genesis like a hawk as I am somewhat interested it in. Last year I drove a rental Sonata and was blown away by it - it was a wonderful car. I always joked about Korean cars but after driving it I changed my tune. I almost bought the Azera but can't get past that overly huge rabbit' look from certain angles. I feel the Genesis will be a success if they manage to not screw up the interior dynamics. It should be understated elegance as opposed to overstated gaudiness. Get rid of all the excess wood!

rv65

A US spyshot didn't have all that fake looking wood. Instead it had that painted plastic aluminum trim. For all I know it could be real. The genesis should be 40 to 50K in Korea. However this car won't skimp on tech toys. Things Like LG CF based Navigation with a MMI like interface, XM NavTraffic, Bluetooth, Lazer Cruise Control, Electric Handbrake, Infinity discrete Logic7 surround and more. However it probably wont get real wood and the wood trim on the steering wheel will be reduced to a minimum. I still think the Korean version has real wood.

rv65

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee140/klazterp/Spyshot11septdeathvalley.jpg

Car should go on sale in April. Will debut at the 2008 NAIAS for the americans.

grayfox

I see from the spy shot that they have eliminated the rear side quarter window compared to the Azera. It brings back the undesirable blind spot. I guess it saves production cost.

caraddict2

Here's how I see it....

Hyundai might just have a winner with the Genesis if they don't make a few key mistakes.

1. They truly need to keep MSRP around low 30k for the V8 version. If they price this car too high they will alot of potential buyers. This is a big step for Hyundai and it is important in my opinion to get this car out and in the hands of buyers to show the world they do belong.

2. As far as the interior goes, Either use real wood or none at all. I high end car doesn't need fake wood trim, it truly cheapens the look of a car.

I see these two point paramount to Genesis sucess.

drfill

The Azera is being marketed, sold, as a budget luxury car, not a Mazima/Avalaon/Taurus competitor.

Now the will have a Genesis to totally drain Azera sales. So Hyundai can't build on their volume, which is their main goal, to crest 500k.

They keep producing additional vehicles, and they only gleen sales off other Hyundais.

Reason #27 why they need another marque to sell this car properly.

Refuse to learn. Penny wise..... :sick:

DrFill

snakeweasel

Sorry but many people who will look at the Gen would not even look at a Azera. Two different cars with different markets.

dborth

I disagree. Current Azera owners are the logical upgrades to Genesis Korea is counting on.

Sonata to Azera (ching)
Azera to Genesis (ching-ching)

(Marketing 101)

gamleged

Hyundai e-mailed me a survey a while back, asking if I'd be interested in buying a car retailing for a bit above $30k...

drfill

It's not like you have a million Azera owners to work from. :confuse:

Genesis will make Azera look like day-old eggs. And the Genesis is supposed to start "well-below $30k". People who might've gone to Azera will now pass it over for "Genesis".

Azera is now worthless. Nice!

Unless you like day-old eggs......

DrFill

snakeweasel

You are welcome to disagree but the Genesis is a RWD high performance car. Those who want that will not look at the Azera (a FWD car). While there are those that will go between the two both cars appeal to different groups.

snakeweasel

No the Azera will not be worthless, The Azera will be priced below that of a Genesis (an Azera starts MSRP below $25K well below what a base Genesis will start at). Not to mention that both cars are very distinct appealing to two different groups of people.

fsmmcsi

If you look at the other rear wheel drive luxury cars on the market, it seems that they could easily charge $40,000 for a Genesis with the V8 and other fancy features. I just used Edmunds to price a loaded Chrysler 300C, and it came out to an MSRP of $41,100 (Yes, I know a 300C can be had for the invoice price, and I suspect that it will not be difficult to obtain a Hyundai for the invoice price, since it is a totally new vehicle, and a new market for them).

drfill

Azera is $25k-28k. Sonata V6 Limited is $25k.

Looks like V6 Genesis will be $28k (well below $30k).

You're telling me there is enough demand for $25-30k Hyundais to support 3 sedans, while adding sales volume? :confuse:

Veracruz isn't exactly seeing a stampede, even with a expensive, and desperate, campaign ongoing. That would be a hint, to a top-tier maker.

Is there a business plan anywhere in Hyundai's future? :mad:

DrFill

floridabob1

RE: 767
I don't know from where you are getting your prices.
The Azera Ltd Ultimate has a current list price of 31k plus
Hyundai has yet to introduce the Genesis, no less price it.
Hyundai is not proud to have to discount it's current flagship model to current levels. Lexus never experienced that situation.
The initial press talk indicated a guess that the "loaded" price would be about 40K. IF the car is a great success the price cutting will be minimal. If the car does not appeal to luxury buyers,they will give them away.

snakeweasel

Azera is $25k-28k. Sonata V6 Limited is $25k.

Sure the Sonata Limited is the top of the line and fully optioned is slightly above the base Azera with no options. But the Sonata starts at $17K, well below that of the least expensive Azera. The Azeras to price will be about the Genesis least expensive price point. So to be totally honest Hyundai will only be offering one car in the $25-30K range as the vast majority of Sonatas will be sold for under $25K and most Genesis will go for over $30K leaving only the Azera.

Veracruz isn't exactly seeing a stampede

That begs the question of what is the Veracruz sales volume verses the projected volume.

even with a expensive, and desperate, campaign ongoing.

Not to sure about you but I see very few ads for the Veracruz.

Is there a business plan anywhere in Hyundai's future?

There seems to be one now that seems to be working.

drfill

HyundaiUSA provides the prices. Base Azera Limited is $27-28k

Hyundai suits trumpet Genesis future price range. This is not news at this point. A V6 will be "well below $30k".

DrFill

drfill

Here in NY, I can't go to the bathroom without seeing a Hyundai ad. Billboards everywhere. Even movie theatre trailers! GM and Toyota can't keep up at this point. Over the last year, I haven't seen a more heavily advertised brand. And I'll tell you why.

Sales have been flat for 18 months, if not going down slightly, and it has Hyundai PO'd!

They think they are Tier 1, and the people can't wait to tell them "I don't think so."

That begs the question of what is the Veracruz sales volume verses the projected volume.

Veracruz is supposed to net 1500 sales a month, one of the few goals Hyundai has achieved.

So? Ford Edge outsells it 6-1. And the Ford Edge is a sled! At least they set a realistic goal. I'm not sure when I'm supposed to be impressed. The only vehicle the can sell is the Santa Fe.

There seems to be one now that seems to be working.

If this what you call "working", what has Toyota been doing, for the last 15 years? :surprise:

DrFill

louiswei

Hyundai e-mailed me a survey a while back, asking if I'd be interested in buying a car retailing for a bit above $30k...

Uh oh...

I got a feeling that "well below $30K" is not happening with the V6 Genesis.

My prediction is $29,955.

gamleged

YO?! You just bid within $5 of my The price Is Right bid!... :shades:

louiswei

Maybe we should get a poll going about what the MSRP for V6 Genesis is going to be.

I can be called: The Price Is Right: Genesis

snakeweasel

Here in NY, I can't go to the bathroom without seeing a Hyundai ad.

But a Hyundai ad is not always a Veracruz ad. Tell me honestly how many Veracruz ads do you see? I see few of them.

Also note that just about every manufacturer has ads everywhere.

Sales have been flat for 18 months, if not going down slightly, and it has Hyundai PO'd

Thats the story pretty much industry wide now isn't it?

They think they are Tier 1, and the people can't wait to tell them "I don't think so."

But those who actually have driven the cars say yes it is. I know Honda and Toyota owners that are buying Hyundai now.

Veracruz is supposed to net 1500 sales a month, one of the few goals Hyundai has achieved.

So now you cannot get your argument straight.

what has Toyota been doing, for the last 15 years?

Slipping in reliability and making boring cars.

drfill

But a Hyundai ad is not always a Veracruz ad. Tell me honestly how many Veracruz ads do you see? I see few of them.

More than I see actual Veracruz on the street.

Thats the story pretty much industry wide now isn't it?

Toyota certainly doesn't share that with Hyundai. They're a successful car company.

But those who actually have driven the cars say yes it is. I know Honda and Toyota owners that are buying Hyundai now.

If sales are flat, for a long time, that means somebody isn't glowing about them, most likely owners. Word-of-mouth increases sales, consistently.

So now you cannot get your argument straight.

Hey, I'm telling it like it is. The sun shines on a dogs behind once in a while. You seem impressed with 1500 a month.

Slipping in reliability and making boring cars.

You forgot also being the envy of Earth, with Hyundai first to put them on a pedestal.

If only they'd be so excited to compare business plans with Toyota's, they may get something out of their worship.

Learning from success doesn't seem to be on the docket.

Rats!

DrFill

snakeweasel

More than I see actual Veracruz on the street.

I see more Toyota ads than I see Toyotas on the street so I guess Toyota has poor sales too.

They're a successful car company.

So is Hyundai they are what the fifth or sixth largest car manufacturer in the world. Must be doing something right.

Hey, I'm telling it like it is.

Well first you say sales are poor then you say they are at least meeting expectations. Can't be both.

drfill

They are meeting a lower standard. Set the bar low enough, even Hyundai can get over it.

They're a walking dichotomy. Successful...... at not being successful.

Congrats all around.

DrFill

ricwhite

Price Prediction:

Genesis V6 starts at 30K on up to 36K with options. V8 starts at 35K and on up to 42K with options.

Well see.

I believe even a low featured V6 Genesis is technically "better" than a fully loaded Azera. It makes sense that it must start at around 30K to set it apart from the lower-class vehicle. Once that price point is set, then we go up from there.

It doesn't make sense that people expect the Genesis to be priced at the same level as an Azera. Loaded Azeras can eclipse 30K. There's no way the V6 Genesis will be that low. And forget about the V8 version anywhere within 10K of the Azera. Just not realistic.

I'm an Azera owner and looking at maybe upgrading to a Genesis. But I'm sure that once pricing is released, I will be priced out. Even the stripped V6 Genesis will probably be several thousand dollars more than a fully loaded Azera and I certainly wouldn't want a stripped Genesis.

So, I don't think the Genesis is aimed at Azera owners; rather, it is aimed at a higher market that Hyundai currently doesn't attract. Yes, the lowly school teacher may be able to afford an Azera, but I believe Hyundai is aiming for lawyers and executives with the Genesis.