Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

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  • ykangykang Member Posts: 88
    You definitely see the downside, which is potentially severe, with Hyundai's approach, or lack thereof.

    Do you have any evidence or reference to support your "cursing"? If not, you better apologize?
    Not all come out of mouth are words. Sometimes s**t comes out if you don't control yourself.
    FYI, I'm an Azera owner and previous owner of Accord EX-V6 and Lexus ES330. :mad:
  • drfilldrfill Member Posts: 2,484
    Huh? :confuse:

    DrFill
  • rv65rv65 Member Posts: 1,076
    Well there are no plans for a luxury brand so BH aka genesis will be a hyundai. They have decided it will be too expensive for them to launch one. This was the plan all along.
  • floridabob1floridabob1 Member Posts: 1,190
    RE: 679
    That is obvious. If Hyundai wanted to establish a new brand,it would have been announced long ago, and dealerships would be under construction.
    Most current Hyundai dealerships are hardly capable of managing the current line, without the pressure of a new luxury line.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,691
    >That is obvious. If Hyundai wanted to establish a new brand,it would have been announced long ago, and dealerships would be under construction.

    Maybe they're going to do it like Toyota/Lexus/Scion. The local deal has the Scions sitting out in front of the Toyota store. Still there. No new building for the Scion deal.

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  • floridabob1floridabob1 Member Posts: 1,190
    RE:682
    Scion was never intended to be a luxury brand.
    Toyota introduced the Scion to attract generation Y market, that can't associate to the Toyota logo.
    The market for Genesis is completely different.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,691
    >that can't associate to the Toyota logo.

    You answered your own question; they didn't want to use the Toyota label so they added a different brand name. They did not start separate stores at all dealerships. The local one has them in the same store.

    Hyundai should use a different name for the Ultimate Genesis. Maybe they could call it Ultima. This would be similar to the Toyota Lexus; Ultima Genesis.

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  • scbobscbob Member Posts: 167
    Never said that Scion was a luxury brand. Only suggested that since Hyundai already has the Azera and Veracruz as top Hyundais and also a full line of Kia's, it may be time for them to really take on Toyotoa, Nissan and Honda by using the Genesis to launch a separate line. Remember, there was only one Lexus to start with.
    Sell it at Hyundai dealerships, but leave off the Hyundai badge.
    By the way, for me the Azera is superior to the Lexus ES 350, Infiniti G35 and Acura TL that I tested.
  • rv65rv65 Member Posts: 1,076
    The v6 BH will come out in December for the South Korean market. A 3.3 and 3.8L v6 will be available at launch. The v8 wont debut until the USA launch next year. The 3.3L v6 is a korean only engine since South Korea has a special tax structure.
  • mbhollambholla Member Posts: 37
    So BH will be out in Korea in Dec. So the US will get it when?
    A lot of reports say 'fall of 2008' some reports state 'fall of 2007 introduced as the '2008 model'; then I read BH released fall for Korea & Spring for US. So which is it? Does anyone have anything concrete or are we all waiting on Hyundai?
    Doesnt make sense to release it fall of '08... at least I hope it wont be release that late

    - are there any "Hyundia Concept Testers" out there who know?

    I love my Azzy but I want a V8 I'm ready to trade up!
  • joe97joe97 Member Posts: 2,248
    The BH (US) production model will debut at the Detroit auto show in January 08; actual release I keep hearing will be the 2nd half of 08, no concrete confirmation yet.
  • gamlegedgamleged Member Posts: 442
    Got another "focus group" e-mail poll yesterday, with another group of names to judge with reference to a car "several inches longer than the Azera" with an "eight-cylinder engine offered" to be priced between $29k to $38k. "Genesis" wasn't one of the names... :confuse:
  • dborthdborth Member Posts: 474
    Re 690: Hyundai in Korea has 2 sedans longer than the Azera and yet to be released Genesis, "Equis" and "Dynasty". "Equis", (equestrian) as a model name makes no sense for the US. "Dynasty" rings up the dreaded Dodge.

    Thus the survey of names. (imo)
  • jeansycjeansyc Member Posts: 16
    I am new to the forums. I saw an indication somewhere online that the Genesis will be available in late 2007 and be a 2008 vehicle. Can anyone confirm this positively or is this merely conjecture? Thanks for any reply. :confuse:
  • joe97joe97 Member Posts: 2,248
    The production version of the Genesis will debut at the North American Auto Show in January 08. With North American release scheduled for the second half of '08 and likely as a 09 vehicle. I have a feeling the release date might be moved up, however.

    For its home market, the production version of the Genesis is scheduled for release late this year.
  • floridabob1floridabob1 Member Posts: 1,190
    RE: 693
    Purely rumor.
    No official release date or final specifications.
  • jeansycjeansyc Member Posts: 16
    with reference to Floridabob's message #695 reply and your reply How does one know the accuracy of the responses?
  • floridabob1floridabob1 Member Posts: 1,190
    RE: 696
    I'm not quite sure of your question, but if you check the official Hyundai US web-site or if you contact a local dealer or Hyundai US consumer affairs you will note that there is no official release date for the Genesis.
    There is, however, much speculation.
  • rv65rv65 Member Posts: 1,076
    I think Jeansyc is confusing the Korean release date with the American. December is when the Korean market is getting it. US version will debut in detroit just like Joe97 said. A few Korean news sites have confirmed the December date for the Korean market. Americans will have to wait but I think it's worth it. Those few months in the korean market can fix any bugs that the US vehicle might have. Then again it's been in development 5 or so years.
  • dborthdborth Member Posts: 474
    RE 698 "Those few months in the korean market can fix any bugs that the US vehicle might have."

    With one major exception, the Korean market will not have the V8 in their version of Genesis.
  • leemy386leemy386 Member Posts: 6
    Like Wall Street, there is a huge bonus for high brass in big Korean companies at the end of the year. Obviously, Hyundai wants to suck up all the money by introducing the new luxury model in early December. However it all depends if its workers can do without a strike until then. Unfortunately, they are on strike now due to a political reason (anti-FTA). I believe they will do again soon for a wage increase from the current level ($US 60K). Its worker union is notorious for hardliners. They have had general strikes every year during the last twenty years regardless the company has a hard time in revenue or how important a new model is to them. It is a fluid situation.
  • prosource1prosource1 Member Posts: 234
    Hyundai needs to get their plants out of Korea to survive these unions. They strike every year and already make more than UAW members with bonuses.
  • floridabob1floridabob1 Member Posts: 1,190
    RE: 701
    Hyundai is the largest company in South Korea.
    They cannot just pick up and move out of the country.
    They have had over 14 work stoppages in the past 2 years and must work to resolve these problems.
  • 54225422 Member Posts: 6
    lincoln is releasing another sedan based on the Volvo S80 , called MKS. The Genesis will be its competitor. Lincoln says they will release it in the Spring 2008. Because Ford is higher in the charts than Hyundai, they might bring it soon, possibly March 2008.
  • 54225422 Member Posts: 6
    About two years ago , Hyundai said they and Kia will make a full size truck based on a future SUV bigger than Santa Fe.
    Well two years later still not done and yet they are now saying 2009.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    14 work stoppages in the past two years. That's not doing very well for HyunKia and if it's true they're already each making US$ 60K then they're really acting like spoiled babies. Yikes.

    You'd think they'd think about the success of their company a tad more than their own pocketbooks..if companies go under you guys can't really draw a paycheck any more from them, now can you?

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  • dborthdborth Member Posts: 474
    Re 703: lincoln is releasing another sedan based on the Volvo S80 , called MKS. The Genesis will be its competitor.

    I did a search on "MKS", and while to me it's rather ho-hum, there were spy shots of the interior. I have yet to see any interior shots of Genesis.
  • joe97joe97 Member Posts: 2,248
    It's not as easy as you make it out to be, especially with the US truck segment, of which the domestics having dominated for a long long time and will continued to do so.

    FWIW, Hyundai has experience in the trucking business and currently has at least one production vehicle underpins a truck platform (sold on US soil) so I tend to think it's more of feasibility issue than anything. It's a big investment and there are a lot of risks and uncertainties involved, A LOT.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    MKS IIRC will be FWD based, similar to the Acura RL, it won't quite be a Luxo car due to the FWD nature of it.

    -mike
  • scbobscbob Member Posts: 167
    Infiniti has two cars that are very poorly rated for reliability. Both are made in the US. The other cars are rated exceptional in reliability.
    A friend and I both owned Camrys made in the USA. Quality was not as good as the reputation. He got an Acura and I got an Azera, but we both looked at Avalon. I looked at Lexus and Acura also, but Azera was better for less money.
    Lexus took away BMW and Mercedes sales in the first place because they were better and cheaper.
    If they make cars in USA, they need to do twice the QC before releasing them to the public.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,691
    It's good to see you posting, Rockylee.

    I shop all kinds of cars when I'm ready to buy. I walk through the dealer's lots tapping on the sheet metal and listening to the doors close, etc.

    I never was impressed by the minimization engineering/design of Toyota Honda through the last several purchases. Sonata and Aura are interesting. A Genesis may be more car than I need when I get to replacing our third car. But it will have an impact on Toy and Hon.

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  • louisweilouiswei Member Posts: 3,715
    minimization engineering/design of Toyota Honda

    This might not be the right place to discuss this, but...

    WHAT IS THAT? :confuse:
  • dborthdborth Member Posts: 474
    Re 712: Probably something other than TQM.
  • theblackholetheblackhole Member Posts: 62
    From Leftlanenews

    http://www.leftlanenews.com/future-hyundai-genesis.html

    Spied: Hyundai Genesis
    07/26/07, 02:38pm, EDT


    Spy photographers caught the Hyundai Genesis testing in the Midwestern U.S. earlier today and from these latest photos, we can see changes to the interior that include an iDrive-esque control knob located behind the transmission lever. Hyundai designers nixed the original Genesis designs, so these are the first photos we've seen of the redesign.

    Hyundai previewed the Genesis at the New York International Auto Show.

    The interior shots reveal a host of changes and we've included photos of the original design, taken in 2005, to give you an idea of what's been modified. In addition to the control knob, you can see the large navigation display, the heavily revised gauges (incorporating electroluminescent dials) and wood-trimmed steering wheel with a different center design. The entire center console is slightly different, as well It's likely that the model you're looking at is a very high-end model, given the navigation, wood wheel and, apparently, ventilated seats.

    As for the exterior changes: The new prototype's grille is now trapezoidal instead of the original round-cornered
    rectangle. The new grille slats are no longer vertical - they're horizontal like the concept - but there appear to be five
    thin chrome slats, instead of the three thick slats marking the show car's face. The concept grille's distinctive notch above the Hyundai badge isn't exactly visible on this prototype, but the camouflage is probably hiding it.

    The new car's headlights are more pointed, and they stretch well back along the fenders, again mimicking the shape of Genesis show car's lights. The lights on this prototype are far more conventional, however, eschewing the concept's neon border surrounding thin LED strip lights. The production car's front bumper has been similarly toned down, with more conventional fog lamps integrated with a more rounded lower air-intake.

    The profile of the Genesis hasn't really been altered since the first prototype, but the newest prototype showcases a shark-fin GPS or satellite radio antenna plunked on the roof line, something that has become almost a staple of luxury cars. The tail-lights were too covered to see how much of the Genesis concept has made it onto the production car, but the wheels on which this prototype was riding look just like the nine-spoked wheels used on the show car.
  • joe97joe97 Member Posts: 2,248
    Finally interior - thumbs up!!!
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,343
    Nice, high resolution pics! Nice perforated and ventilated leather, too.

    Wonder if the screwdriver in the cupholder comes standard, so you can replace the parts of the interior that fall off while you're driving?

    (Okay, that was a cheap shot, but someone had to take it...)
  • msazzyindcmsazzyindc Member Posts: 118
    tooo funny!!!!! :P
  • black_pearlblack_pearl Member Posts: 15
    I dont know if any of you guys have taken a look at carspyshots.net but they have a genesis forum that has several spy shots of the genesis including a couple of mules in a sweet burgundy shade that already has me reconsidering what color I would like when the opportunity presents itself to purchase one in the future :blush: (I know, I know. Cart befor the horse...) There were a couple photos the car beside an Azera and what looks to be a 5-series BMW and another where it is parked next to an old XG350? Whatever the case this seems to be an awesome leap forward for Hyundai.

    PS I will be trading my 06 Limited Azera for this new car with the v8, gas prices be D@mned!!
  • jonnyleejonnylee Member Posts: 17
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  • scbobscbob Member Posts: 167
    The Sep. 2007 issue reviews most new cars and Azera did excellently.
    They also picked the Genesis as one of 10 cars worth waiting for. Only other sedan on list was Lincoln MKS.
  • mbhollambholla Member Posts: 37
    Can you post the link to the Burgundy Genesis pics? Went to the carspy.net site but wasnt able to find 'em...maybe I'm blind
  • black_pearlblack_pearl Member Posts: 15
    Here you go...i think. I've never done this before so please please be patient with me. imageimageimage
  • gamlegedgamleged Member Posts: 442
    It's got a nice "shark-fin" antenna, too!... :shades:
  • dborthdborth Member Posts: 474
    Re 722: Thanks for taking the time to post these. If & when, it should really be interesting to see the Genesis parked next to an Azera at a Hyundai dealership as the salespeople fumble the ball in trying to explain either one to a potential buyer.
  • rv65rv65 Member Posts: 1,076
    Those pics are some what old. But it's very pretty in red. That must be a Korean Genesis. The interior shots must be an American version. It's looking good.
  • mbhollambholla Member Posts: 37
    Awesome pics Thanks for posting 'em. So far I like what i see.
    I have now seen Burgundy, Black, & ofcourse Silver-ish. BRING ON a Blue!
  • jeansycjeansyc Member Posts: 16
    In listing the features of the Genesis Hyundai lists "ADVANCED Adaptive Cruise Control". What does this mean as opposed to "Adaptive Cruise Control"? Anyone?
  • black_pearlblack_pearl Member Posts: 15
    It took me a little digging but I found the pics showing how big this new car will be. Enjoy!
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  • black_pearlblack_pearl Member Posts: 15
    Hey I was looking through the Consumer Reports magazine for the 2008 model year and they say the Genesis will be on sale here in early 2008 rather than the fall of 2008 like I remember hearing. Anyone know if they moved up the U.S. on sale date?
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