Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009+

joe97

John Krafcik

I think you mean Bob there

ricwhite

A 310 HP V8 is WAY underpowered. That's what I thought the V6 would be. I was thinking the V8 will be close to 400 HP.

floridabob1

RE: 831
I would believe that if the Genesis is to be introduced for the 08 model year, the specifications for production models has been finalized for some time.
If Hyundai desired to have a separate dealer network for Genesis the franchises would have been awarded, and buildings would presently be under construction.
These functions do not occur overnight.

floridabob1

RE:824
According to Hyundai, at the 07 Autoshow, the V8 will be 4.7L
You can view the interview at Car Spy Shots

joe97

Whoever told you it was 4.7L V8 doesn't know what they are talking about. The Tau family of engines features 4.6, 5.0 and 5.5

No official hp ratings but expect anywhere from 340-380. V6 will be around 300.

floridabob1

RE:834
Sorry about my error. No reason for the hostility.
I believe that the Hyundai rep. stated that the V6 will have the same HP as the Azera.

joe97

I have been told the BH V6 should house under its hood the second generation of the Lambda engine (higher hp / improved fuel economy) with direct injection. As such, I highly doubt it'd feature the same HP as the Azera - would be disappointed if it has the same horsepower as the Azera.

rv65

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14086328@N00/1508309691/

Here you go. The latest interior pics of a USDM genesis. Thankfully we aren't getting all that wood. Has some new features like voice activated LG navigation, and some luxury features. It has the Equus emblem but I believe the USDM model will have the hyundai logo.

dborth

G8 pricing has just been announced for the following specs.

Base: 3.6 V-6, 261hp, 5-speed auto starting @ $27,595.
"GT"; 6.0 V-8, 362hp, 6-speed auto starting @ $29,995.

Realizing the G8 is a much smaller FWD sedan than the future RWD Genesis, and will certainly appeal to a different buyer I thought the above specs/pricing interesting.

drfill

The G8 is RWD. And it is as big as the Genesis will be! They even have a similar design language! :surprise:

Sorry to have to break it to you......

We will see how the Genesis compares to the G8. Which car/brand has more upward mobility? That's a question nobody should be asking. :confuse:

DrFill

dborth

While I stand corrected re. RWD, I invite Dr. Shrill to read the following:

"In fact, the new G8 is actually smaller (but a bit heavier) than the outgoing Grand Prix, and substantially smaller than its main rear-drive competition: the Dodge Charger. The Pontiac gives up about 4 inches in overall body length and almost 6 inches in wheelbase to the Dodge--a difference that could have a detrimental effect on ride quality."

drfill

is 196+ inches long, offers 39+ inches of rear legroom, and gives you 360+HP for under $30k.

Can the Genesis do that?

DrFill

rv65

There is a very good chance that the genesis name will be used on the production BH. There were some other names but those names aren't as good. BH is the codename for the genesis. Hyundai uses a 2 digit letter code for their cars.

dborth

What... "upward mobility" with another Holden? Like the GTO, another Pontiac last gasp.

Doomed like Plymouth.

floridabob1

Sales manager at local dealership told me rep. advised him that they will probably not get Genesis before Oct. 08.

dborth

Re 844 And, you believe this? While I have never had the misfortune of encountering a "Hyundai Rep", the dealer salespeople including "managers" I HAVE encountered can't remember what they had for dinner last night.

Why would Hyundai launch an '08 in the Fall when competition is introducing '09's?

The southeast US would be the last to receive anything from Korea, obviously.

We can always start a pool. I'm guessing my local inept dealer will have their's 04/08.

floridabob1

RE: 845
I would believe that if the car is released at any point after the first quarter of 08, it will come out as an 09.
By the way, I can't remember what I had for dinner tonight.

fsmmcsi

The G8 is larger on the inside and has a larger trunk than the Charger - it is a very space-efficient design.

rv65

The other rumored names are Echelon, Talus, Zeta, Geneva and Toscana. I think it will be called the genesis since people really liked the genesis name.

joe97

To cut corners and costs, GM omitted several features I would consider to be mistakes - Navigation, Memory Seats, Bluetooth, HID, to name a few. Yes, I know the G8 will perform well on the track, but the packaging counts just as much.

Granted, it's not exactly competing on the luxury side like the BH but more on the sport end.

Regardless, both should make it through and to my short list coming shopping next year.

is 196+ inches long, offers 39+ inches of rear legroom, and gives you 360+HP for under $30k.

Can the Genesis do that?

Yes (length), Yes (rear legroom), and we don't know the pricing for the BH yet but speculated horsepower is anywhere between 340-380 for the V8, and around 300 on the V6.

rv65

As for navigation onstar and bluetooth onstar played a role in that. GM wants you running onstar hands free and GPS instead of having a factory installed one. I hope GM finally realises that having factory installed navs and bluetooth could allow them to have more sales. GM offers them on SUV's but not really any cars. Well maybe caddy, corvette, buick, minivans, and thats probably it.

fsmmcsi

Good news - there is no need to allow the lack of factory navigation and Bluetooth affect your choice of a vehicle. I installed a Pioneer AVIC-Z1 in my 2006 Explorer, and it has the Bluetooth module, XM radio (with NavTraffic), and a rear view camera. With four excellent speakers, the whole system cost about $2,500.

rv65

More exterior pics of a korean prototype.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14086328@N00/1539891461/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14086328@N00/1539891667/

rv65

Looks better with the leather wrapped than that fake wood that the korean ones get. They get a ton of fake wood. This makes the dash look nicer. This is what the US will probably get.

derrelhgreen

I do hope that they are smart enough to not go with that stupid computer knob thingy I see in this picture:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14086328@N00/1382252750/in/photostream/

floridabob1

RE: 854
If that "stupid computer knob thingy" is I-wire, it is a fantastic technology, the one knob is capable of handling all electrical controls in the car, lights, audio, a/c, wipers, cruise control, navigation etc.
Check out a BMW to see how it works.

louiswei

+1 with the knob (or joystick) control is stupid.

Touchscreen is much better and simpler.

floridabob1

RE; 856
I find scrolling with a rotating knob to be much easier than touch screen

rv65

Veracruz, Santa Fe, and Azera will get a Touch Screen Navigation System. It will be similar to the one in the USDM BH but will have a single disc cd/dvd/mp3 player and all the goodies that hyundai radios have. No Bluetooth. Also the 2009 Sonata will get the LG touch screen navigation system.

rv65

I doubt the computer knob will be removed. Some car interiors are a little bit uncomfortable to touch the screen due to the high mounting of the screen. The knob makes it easier to control a high mounted screen. This car is way way too far in the r&d stage to have it removed. It's going into production next year for the US. Korea is getting it earlier. Everybody is going the knob way. LG will be making this navigation/control knob at least for the US.

rv65

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14086328@N00/1557217429/

Just another BH spyshot. I can't wait until they unveil this thing.

splx81

link title

INTERIOR PIC WITH LIGHT ON.

jonnylee

rv65

This is probably an older mule for the BK or not. Maybe its a mule for the VI.

rv65

This car will debut on December 29th.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9071017.003/hyundai-genesis-ready-by-2008

The emblem on the interior spyshots might be that mentioned emblem. Now Hyundai will use this emblem on all products and marketing. Hyundai is planning a new emblem so this might be it. However the official US debut will be the 2008 NAIAS.

floridabob1

RE: 864
Have you been able to confirm that this is the production model?

joe97

YES

rv65

The Emblem on the spyshots is the official emblem. It looks like the USDM version will get the KDM love. The hyundai emblem might be present on the outside but the inside will get the korean Equus/Dynasty emblem. The BH will in the US won't get the wood filled dash. The dash will have leather specs but fake aluminum could be possible. I would like the see a fake carbon fiber dash instead of all that wood on the korean version. That would make it real classy with a tan interior and a black dash.

rv65

This car is going to debut this year for Korea/International market. Hyundai had a dealer convention some days ago. This convention showed the BK, BH, and elantra touring. The BK and BH were fully undisguised. People who attended that convention say they are great cars. I'm sure edmunds would want to go to this convention but they can't due to them being the press. The BK is the new RWD hyundai coupe that has been rumored for a while. There is a possibility of the BK sharing the final production BH's name.

joe97

There is a possibility of the BK sharing the final production BH's name

Thanks for the info. This is interesting, it makes senses to call the BK by whatever BH ends up with, since BK is in essence the coupe version of the BH, at least sharing the same platform. On the other hand, I know a lot has been made this would be the Tib replacement (in theory true, but it is RWD vs. FWD, and the fact another FWD coupe will slot in, borrowing heavy cues from the Veloster concept), and Tib has a good following, but then I can't help think the obvious increase in price over the Tib.

/rant

In the end, I think it is better to call it by whatever the BH ends up with. We shall find out soon...

derrelhgreen

Someone at the dealer said the word at that convention was that there would no longer be an Azera. :mad:
I surely hope that this person is wrong.

Does anyone know for sure? :confuse:

drfill

You seem surprised?

Why would anybody buy an Azera, if this car is so great, and they're within a couple of grand anyway?

Hyundai seems ready, willing, and able to keep cannibalizing it's own sales.

And they say they want to sell 550k a year (now their goal is down to 510k), but they sell higher priced cars, that hurt each other, and fail to bring in new business. :confuse:

DrFill

rv65

There will be an 08 azera. It will be coming out eventually though. Hyundai confirmed a press release but no details on production. It must be in production by now. A touch screen LG navigation system will be available with a 605w audio system. This system does delete the CD changer though. Can be ordered with or without the ultimate package.

joe97

Tell that person at the dealer to stop working there. Obviouslly the person has no idea what he/she is talking about.

joe97

Why would anybody buy an Azera, if this car is so great, and they're within a couple of grand anyway?

Why not? There is very little overlap, if any, between the Azera and the BH.

FWD vs. RWD
V6 vs. more powerful V6 and even more powerful V8
And if you think the power rear-sunshade is representation of near luxury appointments inside the Azera, then the BH will crossed the luxury categories with ease.

Should I keep going?

Further, stop infecting every board with sales propoganda and ignorant posts about Hyundai. The whole market is down, and not just Hyundai. And about the millionth times, strikes, strong Won, and other factors have greatly affected production, not something a lot of other makers have had to deal with.

Back to BH discussions.

ykang

You seem surprised?

Why would anybody buy an Azera, if this car is so great, and they're within a couple of grand anyway?

Hyundai seems ready, willing, and able to keep cannibalizing it's own sales.

And they say they want to sell 550k a year (now their goal is down to 510k), but they sell higher priced cars, that hurt each other, and fail to bring in new business.

DrFill

Why are you wondering around Hyundai forums and bashing Hyundai cars?

I came here to get information about my Azera.

Please stay at your almighty Toyota forum.

I am sick and tired of your bashing.

Pat. Would you do something?

This is my official complaint to you. :mad:

drfill

I didn't tell you Azera would be killed by the Genesis?

I'm not into propoganda. You are not afraid of a differing opinion, are you?

Prophecy is more my strength.

Just keeping the forum balanced. Not everyone is so impressed with Hyundai. There is plenty of downside risk to consider.

You seem to think luxury can be applied with a sunshade. :sick:

DrFill

drfill

I came here to get information about my Azera.

You came here to the wrong forum, to talk about a different car, and you are complaining? :confuse:

Do you guys hear yourselves?

DrFill

joe97

Clearly I was under the impression you were done talking to me. What is this?

Again you are speculating and going way off-base here. I've posted at least three different reasons why there is almost no overlapping between the Azera and BH. So...unless you've already lived in the future, or have driven either, (and no on both accounts), you are widely speculating and posting your "Hyundai automatically equals bad" biased comments.

You seem to think luxury can be applied with a sunshade.

Reading what I actually posted would help before the above response.

Keeping the forum balanced? Your anti-Hyundai (pro Toyota/Lexus) posts are so much balanced...when was the last time you posted one ounce of good thing about Hyundai? Right, didn't think so. If I didn't know any better, Hyundai should be out of business, just by reading your posts.

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I come here to check out the spy photos, to ask questions, to discuss about the latest news RE: BH, courtesy of rv65 and many others. I am sure most others are as well. As a consumer and a prospective BH customer, I really don't care about sales figures, or whatever propaganda you have with your anti-Hyundai agenda. I am buying a car that best suits my needs, how the automakers do certainly take a back seat.

Anyway, I am asking you nicely to stop infecting every forum with your virus. You've already been called out quite a few times in other places - it's time to give a rest about your agenda. A lot of other members here and I would really like to get back to the BH if we may. Thanks!

snakeweasel

I would be very surprised if the Azera goes away. They two cars are completely different in two different price ranges that will appeal to different types of buyers.