The logistics and hassle factor of importing even a lowly 1,000 vehicles boggles the mind. The raw number of vessels & containers, Customs clearance, spot radar checks at the port, documents in order, etc. Then, getting them to the dealers via contract haulers. Not that easy of a task.
One might wonder too how many G8's are initially being imported to the US, as a comparison to Genesis.
Upon arrival you can expect some Pontiac & Hyundai dealers to play the "Market Adjustment" game by slapping on an extra price sticker.
In the case of Genesis, that might spell salvation for Azera.
Could be, although Hyundai has given no public figures as to how many units would be shipped from S. Korea (unlike the GT-R). Actually, the goal Hyundai looks to achieve (for a full year) is a lot higher, and even if you pro-rate, the 1,000 (let's for first partial year) just doesn't make much sense.
Still, point #1 is correct. And I'd agree with your thought process on #2.
Automotive News says 20000 Genesis's are being exported in 2008, so if US gets about 1/3(guessing) thats 6000 in 2008. Then they are going to export 45,000 in 2009 so that would be at least 15000. The largest export markets for Hyundai Korea are Us and China.
SEOUL, South Korea: Hyundai Motor Co. launched its new rear-wheel drive Genesis luxury sedan Tuesday in a splashy official debut for a car the South Korean company sees as its ticket into the ranks of the world's top-end automakers.
Hyundai preceded the introduction by showing a promotion film featuring a decidedly James Bond-like actor driving the sleek, road-hugging vehicle. The screen then receded to reveal an orchestra and three South Korean tenors who gave a live performance of the aria "Nessun dorma" from Puccini's opera "Turandot."
Hyundai Motor said it invested 500 billion won (US$533 million; €362 million) to develop the Genesis over the past four years, and sees it as a competitor to luxury models such as Daimler AG's Mercedes-Benz E-Class, BMW AG's 5-Series and Toyota Motor Corp.'s Lexus GS.
The car "symbolizes our determination to enter the highly competitive arena of luxury cars now dominated by the Europeans," Hyundai Chairman and CEO Chung Mong-koo said in a statement earlier. "Genesis will consolidate our position as the leader of the Korean auto industry and will pave the way forward for our leap into the global market."
Hyundai said it aims to sell 55,000 of the vehicles this year, 35,000 at home and 20,000 overseas in North America, China and the Middle East. It is targeting Genesis sales of 80,000 in 2009, with 45,000 of that total in foreign markets.
Hyundai plans to begin U.S. sales in June and in China in August, said company spokesman Jake Jang, who added it would begin running ads for the car in the U.S. around May.
Stephen Ahn, an auto industry analyst at Woori Investment & Securities Co., said Hyundai is treading the path of Japanese automakers such as Toyota, Nissan Motor Co. and Honda Motor Co. that launched luxury cars to transcend earlier reputations as solid makers of quality vehicles.
"I think Genesis could be the next catalyst for brand-value growth" for Hyundai, said Ahn, who predicted the company will sell about 50,000 of the vehicles this year, slightly short of the Hyundai's stated goal.
yea but with those numbers it seems that the v8 model will be in short supply.i Hope this time next year the car is available.lol. even though i am pulling for the success of this vehicle it would also kill my chance of getting one.
The volume trims will likely be the V6s - my bet is on the 3.8L V6, with options. That said, Hyundai has had sucess selling range toppers, Azera and Veracruz are good examples.
I hear you, though. If it comes to a point for the high demand, low supply situation, upon availability of the V8 model, it is only logic for Hyundai to adjust production.
"Hyundai has had sucess selling range toppers, Azera and Veracruz are good examples".
Dream on.. Check the "official" Hyundai monthly sales figures revealing sales of both not enough to wad a shotgun. Their US dealer network can't even sell the Sonata let alone the "range toppers".
And who's doing well these days in the US auto market? Not many.
Maybe if you actually read what I write, instead of concentrate on bean counting without getting the facts, you would have noticed I was talking about the product mix between the trims. If I didn't know better, Hyundai should just pack up their bags and leave the US market, based on your assessments. Anyway, in case you haven't noticed, Hyundai has enjoyed higher than predicted sales of Limited trims on the Veracruz and Azera, as initially the base and mid-range trims was predicted to make up the bulk of the sales.
The genesis should sell well if they market it right..The car the makings of a real urban seller. "the poor mans luxury car" , i can see it now.I by no means am i rich but i am not poor. if i can find a high featured car for relatively cheap then i'm all for it.
When Genesis does arrive in the US it will be interesting to see if Hyundai sales / service dealers are better trained this time with the launch of a new "flagship".
In my area they were not prepared when Azera was launched.
Examples: Sales dept. Inform consumer at time of purchase the no cost program settings available for locks, seats etc. Service dept. Not charging the consumer to set the programs above. Reducing the air pressure from the ocean voyage setting Reading and comprehending TSB's published online. Hyundai Korea: If the passenger wiper arm still doesn't clear the hood.....
It does take some styling cues from the current Tib, but...it also pulled from the G35 coupe as well. Not to mention, some of the lines resemble some that graced the flanks of some Celicas as well.
I think it's a very clean design, almost unassuming to be honest. Not quite as aggressive as the concept that was shown with the vents in the hood. Personally, I can see the Genesis Coupe appealing to a lot of folks. Direct competition for the IS, G35 Coupe, Z 370 and the like.
Well...the Z rings in around 3300 lbs and the G37 is about 300 lbs heavier. I have a feeling the Genesis Coupe will be slightly heavier than the G37 as it's supposed dimensions are pretty close, but Hyundai is known to use less aluminum and more steel in their construction of the frame and body.
It may not be a track car, but it'll garner some respect on the streets.
The Tiburon will still exist. Hyundai is planning a new coupe for the tiburon with Veloster cues. It will remain FWD. No word if the Turbo Engine will appear for it. Maybe the Theta 2.4L and turbo Theta engine.
Hyundai will develop a luxury brand afterall. Wont appear until 2010 calendar year at the earliest. The VI which will replace a flagship Korean market sedan. The VI will be based on the BH sedan but will be larger and even more luxurious. So it will happen. Just not now.
Maybe...just maybe the Genesis coupe will come in somewhere between the Z and the G37 Coupe. The current Tib w/the 2.7 V-6 tips the scales at 3010. The Genesis Coupe will be about 10" longer, the wheelbase will be about 12" more, it'll also have the 3.3 V-6...I think it's possible for the Genesis Coupe in V-6 form to weigh in around 3300...which really isn't all that bad to be honest. I'm sure if someone wanted to get it track ready...they could pull amenities out like the seats and replace them with lighter racing style seats, maybe a carbon fiber hood, hatch and wing. I think it can be done. Guess we'll have to wait and see when they drop hard factual numbers.
USA Today ran a story today on "bang for the buck" cars, i.e. cars with over 300 hp at a reasonable cost. They highlighted the Genesis coupe, saying it would have 306 hp in V6 form and would undercut the Mustang GT, which starts at $26k.
Quote in the article from Hyundai VP Jack Krafcik: The Genesis coupe will "be a triathlete, lean and efficient, not a big muscle car."
Now I'VE gotta be honest: I totally disagree. I think it's a pointlessly busy Chris Bangle pukefest.
In fact, I'd say the same thing about the new Accord, the new Acura RL, and several other misguided imitations of something not worth making, let alone imitating. Every time an Asian maker knocks off that abominable "flame surfacing," it lends new fuel to the criticism that they can't create, only imitate.
As I've written before, the shame of this is that Honda in particular has shown the ability to design a clean car (S2000, last-gen Accord) when it wasn't obsessed with the "safety" of being derivative. Rest assured this isn't the fault of the designers, but the gutless executives who rule them.
Ooops! That being the case, then expect the Gensis Coupe to be slightlier heavier than if it did have the 3.3.
I can see the Coupe coming in around 3300 lbs (no more than 3400 lbs), which isn't terrible considering it's going to pump out just over 300 hp. I still think it's going to be a very respectable machine. :shades:
Considering the Azera (a tad over 3600 lbs) can reportedly post 0-60 times below 7 seconds using 263 hp. It's conceivable that the Genesis Coupe could run low 6's if it's 300-400 lbs lighter and sporting 43 more ponies (basing the number on the 306 hp reported by an online source).
Yeah...between the Genesis Sedan and Coupe...Hyundai will garner some much needed respect that a lot of folks just refuse to give them.
is nice, but I could do without the little swooshy pattern on the side. Yuck.
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mags that the base Genesis Coupe (with the 2.4L turbo 4 cyl and 6-speed manual transmission)will retail for $19,995. Chime in and correct me if I'm wrong.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...seems kinda low. I would think they would start the pricing where the Tib GT ends or else folks will jump on Tibs and add superchargers and such to match performance numbers. Just my opinion though.
Wow...everything the car offers and all you can complain about is air scoops. Now THAT'S funny. I'm sure there will be many, many aftermarket parts available to add to your heart's content.
Anyway...when have you ever seen an actual concept model be brought into production as is? They COULD leave the carbon fiber pieces (hood, hatch and rear spoiler), but then the car would cost much, much more than what it will sell for.
Hey...if you don't like it, I'm not asking you to like it. However...being worried about being embarrased by being seen in one...my friend, you'll have to worry about someone else embarassing you IN one.
It shows how important the air scoops are. It is the most critical and important element in the entire car design for the Genesis Coupe. This is very, very crucial.
While I like the side profile and the rear I am not feeling the front-end treatment. I guess it is from my take of the initial concept pictures I've seen and the from the auto show a few weeks ago. The taillamps are a little different, which I can live with. But the swoopiness of the headlights into the front fascia and the lower grill / air intake I can't get past. I'm hoping it's the angle of the pics taken that is causing me to become disheartened with the car.
I also do not like the gauge cluster layout. The driver's-side cockpit doesn't flow with the car. They have copied the instrumentation that everyone is using but with the gauge pods sticking out and at angles it doesn't make for a nice dash layout. This is really apparent in a side view. It's really busy and there aren't enough gauges for my taste. The pods should not jut out at the driver, they should flow into the rest of the dash and the "hood"; these look like after thoughts at best. On the head-on shot the busy-ness almost makes the entire dash look one-sided. Maybe it's the angle of the shot, as with the front-end shots, but the items I've mentioned look awkward and out of place.
Just my opinion. I will reserve final judgment when more pics arrive and this coupe hits our land so I can get some seat time in one. Right now it's not looking too good, may have to look elsewhere in 2010 ~ 2011. :confuse:
"While I like the side profile and the rear I am not feeling the front-end treatment. I guess it is from my take of the initial concept pictures I've seen and the from the auto show a few weeks ago. The taillamps are a little different, which I can live with. But the swoopiness of the headlights into the front fascia and the lower grill / air intake I can't get past it.."
See what I mean? Even this guy feels that the front end is not attractive and find it appealing. There are many many people who don't like the change in the production version. People at honda/acura don't like it. People at Lexus forums don't like it either. People at Lexus however DO like the Genesis Sedan version. It is no doubt, quite impressive looking car. I will give 4.5 stars for it. I'm rating that even higher than the Infiniti M cars, no joke. But the Coupe is just.......... I feel like throwing up. :sick:
Now though... the interior of the Coupe is quite alright. I actually like it. It would be even better if they add "stitched" leather wrapped on the dash and the gauge console area, just trim it with leather, not the whole panel. Now then that would rock.
I'm hoping it's the angle of the pics taken that is causing me to become disheartened with the car.
I have seen the pics at all different angles. It doesn't look good. I will give it a final look in person when it comes out but..... it has to be ugly, simply due to the design of the bumper grill and that tinnie winnie grill above the bumper.
I guess I am one of the "people at Lexus" but I happened to like the Genesis Coupe a lot! I give it a 4-star and the only reason that it is not getting another 0.5 is due to the heavy weight.
I am expecting to see this car popping up around the local tracks in the near future.
• Configuration: Front engine, rear-wheel drive • Wheelbase: 2820 mm / 111.0 inches • Overall length: 4630 mm / 182.3 inches • Overall width: 1865 mm / 73.4 inches • Overall height: 1380 mm / 54.3 inches • Wheels: 18-inch or 19-inch five-spoke • Engine types: 3.8-liter V6 or 2.0-liter 4-cylinder turbo • Est. horsepower V6: 306 @ 6,000 rpm (regular fuel) • Est. horsepower V6: 310 @ 6,000 rpm (premium fuel) • Est. torque V6: 263 lb. ft. @ 4,700 rpm (regular and premium fuel) • Est. horsepower 2.0t: 212 @ 6,000 rpm (regular fuel) • Est. horsepower 2.0t: 223 @ 6,000 rpm (premium fuel) • Est. torque 2.0t: 217 lb. ft. @ 2,500 rpm (regular and premium fuel) • Block & head materials: aluminum for both engines • Valvetrain: DOHC for both engines • Valve timing: continuously variable valve timing for both engines (Dual for 2.0t) • Estimated 0-60 mph V6: under 6 seconds • Transmission types: 6-speed manual, 5-speed automatic (4-cylinder) or 6-speed manual, 6-speed automatic (V6) • Front brakes: 12.6-inch (standard) 13.4-inch (Brembo package) • Rear brakes: 12.4-inch (standard) 13.0-inch (Brembo package) • Front calipers: single piston floating (standard), monobloc four-piston (Brembo package) • Rear calipers: single piston floating (standard) monobloc four-piston (Brembo package) • Limited slip differential (Optional) • Est. top speed: 149 mph (V6), 137 mph (2.0t) • Base curb weight: 3549 lbs. (V6); 3439 lbs. (4-cylinder)
The car is not light though. With full Carbon Fiber package(aftermarket) could help a little. Also the car is wider. This could indeed be a good road performer.
Hyundai has tendency to underrate the Horsepower and Torque numbers on the cars before production so it would be even better if it comes with 350HP and 290~ 300 lb/ft torque. That'll give you some SERIOUS damage.
I want to know the gear ratios on this 6 speed manual. I'm assuming they are pretty tight, close gear ratios and have very strong pull from 100~ 150. I would like to see this beating the G35/37. :P
Now depending on the V6 w/6speed pricing with the brembos, that will determine if it's a sales maker or breaker. If they price it in the sub $30k range, close to $25k then we will see it take a chunk out of 350z sales, WRX, EVO, and just about ever other sporty import car.
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One might wonder too how many G8's are initially being imported to the US, as a comparison to Genesis.
Upon arrival you can expect some Pontiac & Hyundai dealers to play the "Market Adjustment" game by slapping on an extra price sticker.
In the case of Genesis, that might spell salvation for Azera.
Still, point #1 is correct. And I'd agree with your thought process on #2.
Published: January 8, 2008
SEOUL, South Korea: Hyundai Motor Co. launched its new rear-wheel drive Genesis luxury sedan Tuesday in a splashy official debut for a car the South Korean company sees as its ticket into the ranks of the world's top-end automakers.
Hyundai preceded the introduction by showing a promotion film featuring a decidedly James Bond-like actor driving the sleek, road-hugging vehicle. The screen then receded to reveal an orchestra and three South Korean tenors who gave a live performance of the aria "Nessun dorma" from Puccini's opera "Turandot."
Hyundai Motor said it invested 500 billion won (US$533 million; €362 million) to develop the Genesis over the past four years, and sees it as a competitor to luxury models such as Daimler AG's Mercedes-Benz E-Class, BMW AG's 5-Series and Toyota Motor Corp.'s Lexus GS.
The car "symbolizes our determination to enter the highly competitive arena of luxury cars now dominated by the Europeans," Hyundai Chairman and CEO Chung Mong-koo said in a statement earlier. "Genesis will consolidate our position as the leader of the Korean auto industry and will pave the way forward for our leap into the global market."
Hyundai said it aims to sell 55,000 of the vehicles this year, 35,000 at home and 20,000 overseas in North America, China and the Middle East. It is targeting Genesis sales of 80,000 in 2009, with 45,000 of that total in foreign markets.
Hyundai plans to begin U.S. sales in June and in China in August, said company spokesman Jake Jang, who added it would begin running ads for the car in the U.S. around May.
Stephen Ahn, an auto industry analyst at Woori Investment & Securities Co., said Hyundai is treading the path of Japanese automakers such as Toyota, Nissan Motor Co. and Honda Motor Co. that launched luxury cars to transcend earlier reputations as solid makers of quality vehicles.
"I think Genesis could be the next catalyst for brand-value growth" for Hyundai, said Ahn, who predicted the company will sell about 50,000 of the vehicles this year, slightly short of the Hyundai's stated goal.
With 700 or so US dealers, 3 engine choices and several "trim" options, loaded V8's will indeed be rare for the first 18 months.
I hear you, though. If it comes to a point for the high demand, low supply situation, upon availability of the V8 model, it is only logic for Hyundai to adjust production.
Dream on.. Check the "official" Hyundai monthly sales figures revealing sales of both not enough to wad a shotgun. Their US dealer network can't even sell the Sonata let alone the "range toppers".
Look at this months rebates. Bleed baby, bleed.
Maybe if you actually read what I write, instead of concentrate on bean counting without getting the facts, you would have noticed I was talking about the product mix between the trims. If I didn't know better, Hyundai should just pack up their bags and leave the US market, based on your assessments. Anyway, in case you haven't noticed, Hyundai has enjoyed higher than predicted sales of Limited trims on the Veracruz and Azera, as initially the base and mid-range trims was predicted to make up the bulk of the sales.
you will also enjoy this
http://www.the-genesis.co.kr/
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/16/2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-gets-web-assisted-- early-unveiling/
In my area they were not prepared when Azera was launched.
Examples:
Sales dept.
Inform consumer at time of purchase the no cost program settings available for locks, seats etc.
Service dept.
Not charging the consumer to set the programs above.
Reducing the air pressure from the ocean voyage setting
Reading and comprehending TSB's published online.
Hyundai Korea:
If the passenger wiper arm still doesn't clear the hood.....
Here are the pictures:
Good looking steering wheel by the way.
Source: Leaked: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe
I think it's a very clean design, almost unassuming to be honest. Not quite as aggressive as the concept that was shown with the vents in the hood. Personally, I can see the Genesis Coupe appealing to a lot of folks. Direct competition for the IS, G35 Coupe, Z 370 and the like.
I guess you can look at it as the mature Tiburon!
-mike
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It may not be a track car, but it'll garner some respect on the streets.
-mike
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Genesis Coupe will be about 10" longer, the wheelbase will be about 12" more, it'll also have the 3.3 V-6...I think it's possible for the Genesis Coupe in V-6 form to weigh in around 3300...which really isn't all that bad to be honest. I'm sure if someone wanted to get it track ready...they could pull amenities out like the seats and replace them with lighter racing style seats, maybe a carbon fiber hood, hatch and wing. I think it can be done. Guess we'll have to wait and see when they drop hard factual numbers.
Minor correction.
Press release states it will have a tweaked (300hp) Azera 3.8 At least thats what one of the CA Hyundai suits was recently quoted as saying.
Quote in the article from Hyundai VP Jack Krafcik: The Genesis coupe will "be a triathlete, lean and efficient, not a big muscle car."
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-03-16-horsepower_N.htm
In fact, I'd say the same thing about the new Accord, the new Acura RL, and several other misguided imitations of something not worth making, let alone imitating. Every time an Asian maker knocks off that abominable "flame surfacing," it lends new fuel to the criticism that they can't create, only imitate.
As I've written before, the shame of this is that Honda in particular has shown the ability to design a clean car (S2000, last-gen Accord) when it wasn't obsessed with the "safety" of being derivative. Rest assured this isn't the fault of the designers, but the gutless executives who rule them.
I can see the Coupe coming in around 3300 lbs (no more than 3400 lbs), which isn't terrible considering it's going to pump out just over 300 hp. I still think it's going to be a very respectable machine. :shades:
Yeah...between the Genesis Sedan and Coupe...Hyundai will garner some much needed respect that a lot of folks just refuse to give them.
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Anyway...when have you ever seen an actual concept model be brought into production as is? They COULD leave the carbon fiber pieces (hood, hatch and rear spoiler), but then the car would cost much, much more than what it will sell for.
Hey...if you don't like it, I'm not asking you to like it. However...being worried about being embarrased by being seen in one...my friend, you'll have to worry about someone else embarassing you IN one.
I would gladly pay $40k for having Air Scoops.
The Air Scoops worth more than $40k, not the rest of the car!!!
By the way, love how you changed your screen name to post again!
I also do not like the gauge cluster layout. The driver's-side cockpit doesn't flow with the car. They have copied the instrumentation that everyone is using but with the gauge pods sticking out and at angles it doesn't make for a nice dash layout. This is really apparent in a side view. It's really busy and there aren't enough gauges for my taste. The pods should not jut out at the driver, they should flow into the rest of the dash and the "hood"; these look like after thoughts at best. On the head-on shot the busy-ness almost makes the entire dash look one-sided. Maybe it's the angle of the shot, as with the front-end shots, but the items I've mentioned look awkward and out of place.
Just my opinion. I will reserve final judgment when more pics arrive and this coupe hits our land so I can get some seat time in one. Right now it's not looking too good, may have to look elsewhere in 2010 ~ 2011. :confuse:
See what I mean? Even this guy feels that the front end is not attractive and find it appealing. There are many many people who don't like the change in the production version. People at honda/acura don't like it. People at Lexus forums don't like it either. People at Lexus however DO like the Genesis Sedan version. It is no doubt, quite impressive looking car. I will give 4.5 stars for it. I'm rating that even higher than the Infiniti M cars, no joke. But the Coupe is just.......... I feel like throwing up. :sick:
Now though... the interior of the Coupe is quite alright. I actually like it. It would be even better if they add "stitched" leather wrapped on the dash and the gauge console area, just trim it with leather, not the whole panel. Now then that would rock.
I'm hoping it's the angle of the pics taken that is causing me to become disheartened with the car.
I have seen the pics at all different angles. It doesn't look good. I will give it a final look in person when it comes out but..... it has to be ugly, simply due to the design of the bumper grill and that tinnie winnie grill above the bumper.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/19/new-york-2008-hyundai-genesis-coupe-burning-r- ubber-w-video/
I am expecting to see this car popping up around the local tracks in the near future.
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• Configuration: Front engine, rear-wheel drive
• Wheelbase: 2820 mm / 111.0 inches
• Overall length: 4630 mm / 182.3 inches
• Overall width: 1865 mm / 73.4 inches
• Overall height: 1380 mm / 54.3 inches
• Wheels: 18-inch or 19-inch five-spoke
• Engine types: 3.8-liter V6 or 2.0-liter 4-cylinder turbo
• Est. horsepower V6: 306 @ 6,000 rpm (regular fuel)
• Est. horsepower V6: 310 @ 6,000 rpm (premium fuel)
• Est. torque V6: 263 lb. ft. @ 4,700 rpm (regular and premium fuel)
• Est. horsepower 2.0t: 212 @ 6,000 rpm (regular fuel)
• Est. horsepower 2.0t: 223 @ 6,000 rpm (premium fuel)
• Est. torque 2.0t: 217 lb. ft. @ 2,500 rpm (regular and premium fuel)
• Block & head materials: aluminum for both engines
• Valvetrain: DOHC for both engines
• Valve timing: continuously variable valve timing for both engines (Dual for 2.0t)
• Estimated 0-60 mph V6: under 6 seconds
• Transmission types: 6-speed manual, 5-speed automatic (4-cylinder) or 6-speed manual, 6-speed automatic (V6)
• Front brakes: 12.6-inch (standard) 13.4-inch (Brembo package)
• Rear brakes: 12.4-inch (standard) 13.0-inch (Brembo package)
• Front calipers: single piston floating (standard), monobloc four-piston (Brembo package)
• Rear calipers: single piston floating (standard) monobloc four-piston (Brembo package)
• Limited slip differential (Optional)
• Est. top speed: 149 mph (V6), 137 mph (2.0t)
• Base curb weight: 3549 lbs. (V6); 3439 lbs. (4-cylinder)
The car is not light though. With full Carbon Fiber package(aftermarket) could help a little. Also the car is wider. This could indeed be a good road performer.
Hyundai has tendency to underrate the Horsepower and Torque numbers on the cars before production so it would be even better if it comes with 350HP and 290~ 300 lb/ft torque. That'll give you some SERIOUS damage.
I want to know the gear ratios on this 6 speed manual. I'm assuming they are pretty tight, close gear ratios and have very strong pull from 100~ 150. I would like to see this beating the G35/37. :P
-mike
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