Overlooked? I've heard a lot of descriptors for the CR-V but I wouldn't use that one. It's been at or near the top of small SUV sales every year it's been on the market. Considering Honda does not have the dealership network of the Big 2.5 or even Toyota the 'V sells very well.
Maybe the 'V is "overlooked" by someone who drives a Suburban or a Durango. But that's to be expected.
Majority of people do not have the knowledge of vehicles in the marketplace that someone who posts here would. Over the past couple of years several I've discussed SUV options with people seeking a SUV and they did not even know that Honda sold SUV's, much less a small one. Many people think of Honda only as Accords and Civics and sometimes the Odyssey. The CR-V would fit the needs of many buyers of larger SUV's and is IMHO the best small SUV available. When I say overlooked, I do mean overlooked. The Escape and Tracker/Vitara are the only small SUV's that could be named when I asked around this morning. Then again, I am in the Midwest and Cavalier is number #1 selling small car. Not a lot of love for imports.
"I bought a car for my wife last winter that really stretched our auto budget, so buying the warranty is my "crutch" to keep myself from getting another car... As long as mine is under warranty, no reason to sell it.."
Then I suppose I shouldn't mention that you can get a cash refund for any unused portion of the extended warranty at any time, including buying a 2005 SE CR-V... oops, I mentioned it. Oh well...
and he thinks he's getting Mom's car in 5.5 years when he turns 16... Uh.... nope.
I'll spot an old early '90s Corolla with about a zillion miles on it and looks it... and I'll say: "See that car? That is the car you will get when you turn 16. No, no, not one LIKE that... That particular car right there, once it has another 50K miles on it."
Also, I look back fondly on that old 911.. I bet its aging gracefully......
Just posted a link to the info. which is not a violation of the rules. The information was press release material that was in public domain, so nothing top secret;)
The info. is still in head anyway:) for 2005 Standard VSC 5 spd auto replace 4 spd auto 16" wheels standard SE model added with leather interior, painted trim and unique color option Pricing for the 4x4 SE $25K plus EPA mpg 22/27 for 4WD automatic
Probably not... I think the main problem they have is if you link to a site that has forums attached or linked to it.. those are viewed as direct competitors to Town Hall.. Now, I'm not sure about links that compete with the rest of Edmunds..
I think you are talking about two different things.
To try and convince someone who wants a larger SUV that they should consider the CR-V (or any smaller SUV for that matter) is an admirable ambition, but not something I would take on. I equate it to trying to convince someone that they can get by in a studio apartment rather than the four bedroom house they desire.
As for the people you talk to not being aware that Honda makes a small SUV, not sure what to think. I assume they have eyes.
The CR-V is the number one small SUV in the Chicago market. Has been for several years. Imports of all brands are huge here. Chicago is the Midwest. Perhaps you are referring to other areas. 15 years ago I would have agreed with you to a point, but imports are now everywhere. Even Michigan.
I can't go a block without seeing this rather stylish (IMO) small SUV with the word "Honda" on the back in very big letters. I would think others see the same thing.
I can't explain why the people you speak with have "overlooked" Honda SUVs.
quote- The CR-V is the number one small SUV in the Chicago market. Has been for several years. Imports of all brands are huge here. Chicago is the Midwest. Perhaps you are referring to other areas. 15 years ago I would have agreed with you to a point, but imports are now everywhere. Even Michigan.-end
CR-V is not number #1 in Midwest and not in Chicago. Show me the data. Have you even seen the data? Escape is number #1.
And yes, people have eyes, however, what people see is not processed the same by all.
If a post gets deleted for some reason, you'll get a form letter (or sometimes even a freshly composed note) from a Host. Otherwise a missing post would be due to some glitch somewhere here or on your end. I haven't heard about any other Town Hall glitches today but it's possible.
"To try and convince someone who wants a larger SUV that they should consider the CR-V (or any smaller SUV for that matter) is an admirable ambition, but not something I would take on. I equate it to trying to convince someone that they can get by in a studio apartment rather than the four bedroom house they desire."
Hmmm, check the interior specs, the CR-V compares pretty well with an Explorer (as long as you don't need the third seat. I think it actually has more rear leg room...
Both of the posts with links are there (varmint was able to see them too.) If there were any others I suspect user error - forgetting to click "Post My Message" is not uncommon.
As most of you know, we are a Honda family. We have an 02 CRV and 03 CRV and in May, we purchased a toy car....a 94 del Sol (LOVE IT). Which means we have 2 parking spaces, 2 drivers, and 3 cars. Mr. you know who will be the one cleaning his windows in the winter at 4am. He leaves before I do, so his car's gotta go 1st! Sometimes we have to sacrifice!
Moparbad: The CR-V is the number one small SUV in Chicago. Ask Jim Mateja the Auto writer for the Tribune for the numbers or Dan Jedlicka the writer for the Sun-Times. Doesn't really matter anyway. If someone isn't aware of the options available when they're making a major purchase like a vehicle, they're doing themselves a disservice.
Stevedebi: I'm well aware of the CR-V's interior space. At one time it had more interior room than a JGC (or close, don't quote me), may still I'm not sure. I was making a point, which I guess I didn't do a very good job of. Most likely someone wanting a large SUV would "overlook" the CR-V like Moparbad said.
Geez, the caption under the photo reads that the fires occur in the 2004 and 2005 CR-V's. The 2005 has just been announced but I don't think many have been delivered yet.
Oh, I forgot to include data. For 2003-"The Escape is the best-selling small SUV in the country; a record 167,678 sold last year. Its competitors include the Jeep Liberty, Honda CRV, Hyundai Santa Fe, Saturn Vue and the upcoming Chevrolet Equinox."
CR-V is a better vehicle than Escape, Ford has many more dealers.
Hi, I printed out the articles from all three links posted above about the reopening of the fire investigation. And they are word for word the same. The CNN article is a condensed version of the DETNEWS and the Washington Post articles.
The Escape is the best-selling small SUV in the states. But I believe the post in question was referring to only the "Chicago area". Two different things.
On a different note:
As far as interior space is concerned, the current CR-V is rated for 106 cu.ft. including both the passenger space and the cargo area. The cut-off between small SUVs and mid-size happens to be 106 cu.ft. That's why Edmunds and some other publications have the CR-V filed under mid-size vehicles if you look them up by class.
What I noticed the other day is that Honda's media site publishes the interior volume at 103 cu.ft. for the 2005 model. We lost 3 cubes somewhere, or somebody's data is wrong. There's nothing in the list of changes that explains the difference.
While the CR-V is impressively roomy, payload is still modest and that's what keeps it a compact in the minds of many shoppers. Tow limits are also modest.
Some of the other SUVs you're talking about have payloads in the 1200 lb range, and 3-5 times the tow ratings.
In other words, the CR-V is medium-sized but light-duty.
Is it just me, or were all 3 of those articles nearly identical? Sheesh.
The characteristics that keeps the CR-V from being mid-sized would be the engine, curb weight, and light-duty capacities. But there are others (Liberty) whose only claim to being small is their interior volume. It's essentially a cramped mid-size.
I've heard both of them refer to the CR-V as Chicago's top selling small SUV on more than one occasion. Feel free to post your numbers.
Does it really matter? There are many CR-V's in Chicagoland. My block has three. My work has at least five at any given moment in the parking lot. It's a hugely popular vehicle here as are all Hondas. Did I mention the three Odysseys in a row across the street?
The outgoing Pathfinder and Grand Cherokee are good examples of small mid-sizers. I'm sure the CR-V is far roomier than either one.
Even the Forester has more capacity than the Pathfinder in CR's big box test. And the Subie doesn't even pretend to be mid-sized.
They're all growing now. Mid-sizers for the most part offer 3 row seating now, and full-sizers have gotten positively huge.
That's why I think there is a slot for smaller SUVs, maybe sub-compact. They might just be people movers, not necessarily SUVs. I'm thinking Fitt/Jazz, Cube, and competitors to the xB, except with AWD.
I think the class started off there. The RAV4 and Suzuki Sidekick were both inexpensive, small vehicles, with 2 litre (or smaller) engines making about 100-120 hp. The CR-V increased the body size, and the Forester increased the power. Since then, most manufacturers have increased both.
Subaru and Toyota are the only two who retained the "smallness" of their offerings. And that is likely due to the fact that they already had slightly larger vehicles in the fleet, which would have presented a conflict. A larger RAV would have stolen from the Highlander and a larger Forester from the Outback.
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Maybe the 'V is "overlooked" by someone who drives a Suburban or a Durango. But that's to be expected.
I don't scrape the windows - I just let it melt off because I don't drive it when it's cold.
RWD and light, so it's as bad in the winter as it is fun in the summer.
The vinyl top lasted 11 years; I just replaced it.
Get an older one so you don't feel bad.
-juice
When I say overlooked, I do mean overlooked. The Escape and Tracker/Vitara are the only small SUV's that could be named when I asked around this morning.
Then again, I am in the Midwest and Cavalier is number #1 selling small car. Not a lot of love for imports.
-juice
Then I suppose I shouldn't mention that you can get a cash refund for any unused portion of the extended warranty at any time, including buying a 2005 SE CR-V... oops, I mentioned it. Oh well...
LOL
Gave up a 911, wow, you must LOVE her! ;-)
-juice
Plus, had a little one... you know how that changes things...
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My 5 year old loves the Miata, though. There's no affordable 4 seat convertible that is sporting enough to replace it.
-juice
I'll spot an old early '90s Corolla with about a zillion miles on it and looks it... and I'll say: "See that car? That is the car you will get when you turn 16. No, no, not one LIKE that... That particular car right there, once it has another 50K miles on it."
Also, I look back fondly on that old 911.. I bet its aging gracefully......
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We've had a few threads like that here on Edmunds, and "bicycle" is what I usually suggest.
Or a motorcycle. Teach them to ride defensively (or else).
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Hmmmmmmm.....something strange going on here.
-juice
The info. is still in head anyway:)
for 2005
Standard VSC
5 spd auto replace 4 spd auto
16" wheels standard
SE model added with leather interior, painted trim and unique color option
Pricing for the 4x4 SE $25K plus
EPA mpg 22/27 for 4WD automatic
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Well, I wonder if this will be deleted too?
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moparbad Sep 13, 2004 10:39am
FWIW, you might want to check into this thread.
archman1 "2005 Honda CR-V?" Jan 14, 2004 12:05am
To try and convince someone who wants a larger SUV that they should consider the CR-V (or any smaller SUV for that matter) is an admirable ambition, but not something I would take on. I equate it to trying to convince someone that they can get by in a studio apartment rather than the four bedroom house they desire.
As for the people you talk to not being aware that Honda makes a small SUV, not sure what to think. I assume they have eyes.
The CR-V is the number one small SUV in the Chicago market. Has been for several years. Imports of all brands are huge here. Chicago is the Midwest. Perhaps you are referring to other areas. 15 years ago I would have agreed with you to a point, but imports are now everywhere. Even Michigan.
I can't go a block without seeing this rather stylish (IMO) small SUV with the word "Honda" on the back in very big letters. I would think others see the same thing.
I can't explain why the people you speak with have "overlooked" Honda SUVs.
CR-V is not number #1 in Midwest and not in Chicago. Show me the data. Have you even seen the data? Escape is number #1.
And yes, people have eyes, however, what people see is not processed the same by all.
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Hmmm, check the interior specs, the CR-V compares pretty well with an Explorer (as long as you don't need the third seat. I think it actually has more rear leg room...
tidester, host
Stevedebi: I'm well aware of the CR-V's interior space. At one time it had more interior room than a JGC (or close, don't quote me), may still I'm not sure. I was making a point, which I guess I didn't do a very good job of. Most likely someone wanting a large SUV would "overlook" the CR-V like Moparbad said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18837-2004Sep13.ht- ml
jmolinsky link didn't work for me this morning and I saw the CNN link before venturing here to Edmunds. Guess this leaves 49 posts to go today! = : )
It's mentioned that when the government gets this involved, 60% – 80% of the time it leads to a recall.
Also, a Edmunds.com marketing rep is quoted, and that this has been a "hot" topic on internet chat rooms.
Bob
Those that want to participate with the 50 messages per day could do so.
Just a thought.
CR-V is a better vehicle than Escape, Ford has many more dealers.
steve_ "Honda CR-V fires" Sep 14, 2004 12:47pm
Steve, Host
On a different note:
As far as interior space is concerned, the current CR-V is rated for 106 cu.ft. including both the passenger space and the cargo area. The cut-off between small SUVs and mid-size happens to be 106 cu.ft. That's why Edmunds and some other publications have the CR-V filed under mid-size vehicles if you look them up by class.
What I noticed the other day is that Honda's media site publishes the interior volume at 103 cu.ft. for the 2005 model. We lost 3 cubes somewhere, or somebody's data is wrong. There's nothing in the list of changes that explains the difference.
There's your Cliff Clavin factoid for the day.
Some of the other SUVs you're talking about have payloads in the 1200 lb range, and 3-5 times the tow ratings.
In other words, the CR-V is medium-sized but light-duty.
Is it just me, or were all 3 of those articles nearly identical? Sheesh.
-juice
All three articles were virtually word for word. I printed them out for future info.
varmint "What makes a small SUV small?" Feb 8, 2004 2:38pm
The characteristics that keeps the CR-V from being mid-sized would be the engine, curb weight, and light-duty capacities. But there are others (Liberty) whose only claim to being small is their interior volume. It's essentially a cramped mid-size.
Does it really matter? There are many CR-V's in Chicagoland. My block has three. My work has at least five at any given moment in the parking lot. It's a hugely popular vehicle here as are all Hondas. Did I mention the three Odysseys in a row across the street?
Even the Forester has more capacity than the Pathfinder in CR's big box test. And the Subie doesn't even pretend to be mid-sized.
They're all growing now. Mid-sizers for the most part offer 3 row seating now, and full-sizers have gotten positively huge.
That's why I think there is a slot for smaller SUVs, maybe sub-compact. They might just be people movers, not necessarily SUVs. I'm thinking Fitt/Jazz, Cube, and competitors to the xB, except with AWD.
-juice
-juice
Basically compact crossovers.
Ironically the Forester is already there, sorta.
-juice
Subaru and Toyota are the only two who retained the "smallness" of their offerings. And that is likely due to the fact that they already had slightly larger vehicles in the fleet, which would have presented a conflict. A larger RAV would have stolen from the Highlander and a larger Forester from the Outback.