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Such is the plight of a Hyundai branded automobile ever finding a place in the luxury market
Anyway, I live in a pretty populated area and haven't seen an Equus on the road yet. I did sit in one at the dealer and I'll tell you it is a very nice machine. I can't find much fault in it. If it was within my means I probably would have test driven it. IMHO its a halo car for Hyundai for them to say "I did it" I'm sure they have sold a few, but it certainly isn't paying the bills. The Sonata, Elantra and Santa Fe are taking care of those duties.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
I am sure it is a plush comfortable car and probably won't have any massive technical issues, but I anyway would spend 60K+ in a different way.
If one is spending that much, one is getting some kind of "stench" even if they are driving an alternative brand to pretend to not be a snob. Lexus fanboys used to claim not to have badge issues, but I don't think anyone believed that one either.
still find efforts by a mass mfgr that is arguably still perceived as low end quite interesting.
Have yet to talk to anybody outside of the confines of this particular forum that even knows about Genesis -never mind knows what the cars actually are.
Don't believe, at this point, that Hyundai really has found a place in the luxury market - at least amongst those that have the money to buy (or lease) one.
The Gen/Eq is a great marketing strategy for Hyundai. It shows the public that the days of the Excel are long gone. I really can't believe that either have been a success in terms of sales. It probably has gotten some people into the showroom that otherwise wouldn't have been there, so on some level it was most likely worth the effort.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
You could ask the over 87,000 people who have bought a new Genesis (in NA). They might know about it, and know what the cars actually are.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
Yes.
would have to see the actual stats
They're on this marvelous invention called the Internet. It's on computer now!!
You asked about the "Genesis". Now all the qualifiers come in. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...
Sounds like you might be quoting Hyundai's own PR releases and might also be including sales for a number of years in 3 different countries. On that basis, 87k possibly unremarkable? Wonder how many other Hyundais sold in the same period - a million or two or three?
That's where Hyundai is making all the progress IMO - acceptance in the mass market - they ARE getting a whole lot better at that!
Genesis Sedan 2008 to Aug 2011-- 49000 sold
Genesis Coupe 2009 to Aug 2011--30500 sold
Total 89500 (sounds pretty close to the number Backy mentioned)
source:Hyundai US Sales
(click on the historical sales link to download a spreadsheet of Hyundai US sales since 1986 including retail vs fleet numbers)
May want to select all, right click > copy when you finish composing and then hit post. That way you won't have to start all over if the post doesn't work; you can just paste and go.
I gathered the sales info from multiple links--from multiple sources (non-Hyundai web sites fwiw) for NA Hyundai sales across 4 calendar years. If you had asked me politely, I would have been glad to post them for you.
But I am leery of posting links, especially in this discussion, due to multiple experiences where the links were dismissed because they included facts not consistent with someone's opinion on this subject.
Terrible customer service. I expect Hyundai to stand behind their product, especially the Equus. Instead every person I spoke with has immediately passed the buck to Sirius and refused to help. I would expect them to replace the unit or lean heavily on Sirius to fix this timely. No such luck and no one at Hyundai seems to care.
http://www.caranddriver.com/photo-gallery/2013-honda-accord-sedan-first-drive-re- view
Seeing as the Equus mimics the LS, does that then mean Honda really has a crush on Toyota? :shades:
Looks real good on the Accord--a big improvement over the prior generation, not just in the rear but overall.
“Hyundai has worked hard to create a vehicle that provides luxury car shoppers with tremendous value and amenities, and as winner in categories for Luxury Lifestyle and High Tech, demonstrates that they've surely succeeded in the mind’s eye of the consumer,” said Dan Hall, vice president, AutoPacific.
Hyundai’s flagship Equus successfully competes with the best sedans in the world, while adding a new level of customer experience to luxury car ownership. Since its introduction, Equus has outpaced its sales and market share expectations. The 2012 Equus features Hyundai’s most powerful engine ever, the new direct injection 5.0-liter Tau V8 engine. The new engine produces 429 horsepower and is mated to a new in-house eight-speed transmission providing Equus drivers more power and refinement.
“With a host of standard features and innovative technology including Hyundai’s most powerful engine, the 2012 Equus offers customers a perfect marriage of luxury and affordability,” said Scott Margason, director, Product Planning, Hyundai Motor America. “This recognition from IntelliChoice and AutoPacific is proof that our flagship sedan is a true competitor amongst the most sought out luxury sedans in the market.”
For a complete list of award winners, visit http://www.autopacific.com/2012-award-winners
(Scroll Down for Motorist Choice)
In both categories, the Equus is qualified as a "popular", not a "premium" vehicle. In "premium", Porsche Cayenne and Cadillac Escalade won these categories.
For the past couple of weeks, I was looking to buy a genesis, test drove and love it but didn't realy want to commit until I have a chance to see the 2013 Avalon. I was also test drove the BMW x1 since it has easy accessible space for a full size cello. I can tell the difference from the moment I walked into the BMW showroom. I do think Hyundai has a long way to go to become a truly luxury car brand, at least I don't think it's even comparable with Toyota. There are some fundamentals for a luxury brand to success that are just not there today. As for me, my choices have gone down to two.
I don't even see the Genesis coupe on hyundai.de.
The only reference I could find to the coupe in Germany was a limited edition of 50 GT's based on a racing team Genesis owned by a German dealer.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2011/08/limited-edition-hyundai-genesis-coupe- -gt-heading-to-germany.html
I did check out Auto Motor and Sport's website and they have a test. They didn't seem critical of it and noted a price of E36K for the stick and an adder of E1900 for the slushbox.
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/fahrberichte/hyundai-genesis-coupe-gt-coupe-m- it-nordschleifen-schliff-4317073.html
Maybe prices increased - the paper I have claimed 39.5K for the V6. Still seems like unexceptional value compared to the US - almost like they are kind of wanting to not make it. The magazine indeed doesn't say it is bad (although seems to complain about declining interior material quality), but for the money, it's a toughie. The Genesis sedan not existing there (not to mention the Equus) also says something. Maybe not so many upmarket aspirations there.
Could be worse though, I flipped the page and saw the Infiniti FX50 for a mere 75.6K, which is significantly more than say a diesel Range Rover Sport there.
And we now know that you did...
Hey..if the Hyundai had a diesel, maybe it mighta stood a 4% chance against the MB..
I had a thought on the Equus sitting too high..mighta been someone who has difficulty getting in and out and parks it raised for easier ingress/egress. It just might have been thee reason the guy bought it..
Then again he mighta been just clueless.. :sick:
I was assuming the Equus had adjustable ride height, and the driver didn't know how to set it. Or to be optimistic, maybe he had it set for some of the second world quality roads around here.
Oh well..maybe they need another shot in the arm..I guess we'll see.
I must say, I'm not much of a fan. Plus, many of their cars still smell odd inside. Might be the hemp they use..
The last car I had that had height adjustable susp was a Subaru XT6. It was very trick and got looks letting itself down after leaving the car. The only time I used it for its intended purpose, (as opposed to entertainment, ha) was if there was a big fall of snow in the driveway. It would automatically lower itself if you left it in high position on the highway..somewhere around 45 mph or so..
I am scared of unconventional suspensions, given what I know about older MBs. Not a question of "if" it will have issues.
Re your comment about wanting a bike with a light clutch pull, definitely check out any of the mid to lower cc class of Ducatis. I couldn't believe what a nice light clutch they had (trying it in the showroom). They have become very popular with women or anyone with shorter fingers for that very reason. I haven't driven any of them (the 690's? and 800's?) so can't comment on clutch take-up. But Ducati are known to cater to details like that so I bet they feel great..
The Future Of The Manual Transmission
btw way, once he see's it here, feel free to nuke it if you want just to keep this one clean