I honestly don't know what Mr. Albrecht was expecting the Liberty to do. For someone with a master's degree in mechanical engineering, he shouldn't have been so surprised to see the Liberty roll over at all. In fact, one would assume that he expects it to roll over.
My daughter's friend a year ago had just gotten a 2000 silver CR-V EX, and while turning left at a green light, a man ran through the red light and tipped her CR-V over. At impact, the man that hit her was said to be going about 34 mph. The car flipped onto it's side and was totaled. A week later her 2000 silver CR-V was gone and she had a 2001 silver CR-V. I don't know if I'd be that quick to jump back into a car that did that, but I know firsthand when they say the old model tipped in side collisions, they aren't kidding.
Stopped off at the local dealer on the way to picking up my kid from school. Had a quick look at all 3 models (incl the EX-Leather). Just a few observations:
- the car is marginally bigger in all interior dimensions but not significantly so, except for the depth of the trunk which is quite a bit deeper. - the tan cloth interior is ugly but not as ugly as I had anticipated. - the centre stack of the dash looks a bit stark. - the parking brake is easy to get used to. - the sliding rear seat is handy. - don't like the placement of the gas-door release. Too hard to reach. Plus may be possible to pull hood release instead when groping for it in the dark. - Gas tank seems to be positioned awfully low. - tire/wheel combo IS small. - attractive-looking engine cover. - new tail lights are attractive but rear bumper is ugly. - auto tranny shifter is not nearly as weird-looking as I had thought. - personally, if I buy one, I would go for the Mojave Mist with tan leather interior, security alarm, side step-rail, tonneau cover
BTW, I went to the same dealer as Mark777. The prices quoted include PDI and Freight.
i was at the traffoc light this afternoon in greenwich, CT. and a monster truck pulled up next to me. the wheels were taller than the window in my cr-v. but anyway, the point i am trying to nake is that it had 15 inch rims, with those huge tires on them. i see people complain about the 15 inch wheels on the cr-v. what gen 1 had 205/70-15 you can go up and get 16 inch rims and put 215/60-16 (i think) while gettitng the same circumference you get 16 inch wheels. would you rather have that???
It's the entire diameter of the tire/wheel combined. A big wheel with a low-profile tire wouldn't look good on a SUV, even a pseudo-SUV like the CR-V. But in order to increase the overall diameter without changing the aspect ratio of the tire, Honda has to up the size of the wheel unless they were to go with significantly wider tire. But that would impact on wheelwell clearance.
2002s just arrived at the dealers in Ottawa today. Much like canadiancl I checked them out before picking my kids up. They had a EX-L (leather) silver color. No test drive yet. My impressions are similar to canadiancl's with the following exceptions: - The "saddle" interior is brutal; the seats are so-so but the brown plastic is just gross! The salesmen were mumbling that it is so bad that it might be a problem for them. Too bad as I really like the red exterior, but not enough to stare at brown plastic for another 4 years or so! - The 15" wheel/tire combo does seem small, especially compared to the competition.
My main frame of reference is the Escape (which I have rented). I measured the back cargo areas and the dimensions are almost identical (supported by the claimed cargo volumes). The CR-V interior is slightly wider and taller, but the wheel wells are more intrusive. However, this is with the CR-V seats all the way back - slide them up and its another story. The back seat leg room (with the seats back) is much more substantial in the CR-V. However, the front seat leg room seems quite small. Not a big deal for me or my wife (5-10 and 5-2 respectively), but if I was over 6' I would not like to sit in the front passenger seat long. The rear seat fold and flip arrangement blows the Escape's setup away. The fit and feel of the interior feels much better than the Escape (surprise - not!). I do not like the side-swing door on the CR-V. It would be a pain in parking lots and trying to load stuff from the curb. I much prefer the swing up hatch. Overall the CR-V is much more appealing to our needs as we are looking for the most car-like small 'ute. Need a test drive as a final comparison.
Looking at a 5-spd EX with arm rests, leather steering wheel, and wheel locking nuts and they quoted us a slightly under MSRP right off the bat! If I can just get my ducks lined up...
We went in to the Honda dealer tonight and drove an EX. My wife loves it and since she'll be the primary driver I started negotiating with the sales guy. He said it would probably be next fall before they sell under MSRP...I don't think so. We have a Jetta wagon 1.8T on order, but it will take 2-3 months to get. Since my wife likes the CR-V better I told him if he can give us the same deal we got on the Jetta wagon ($700 over invoice -- about $1,000 under MSRP on the CR-V) before the Jetta comes in we'll take it. He asked his manager today and said they couldn't do it, but he took our name and number so we'll see if and when he calls back...
The car is popular right now, but I think this is a very fair offer, esp. considering that if they don't make it we buy something else and they lose our business completely. I didn't really want to offer more than $2-300 over invoice, but I guess I'm getting weak And both the CRV and jetta wagon are new or redesigned cars, so demand is high.
Test drove an EX tonight...very carlike feel. I never drove the old model so I can't compare it to that, but it felt very much like driving a Civic. The AT was smooth, but the small engine is a definite downside. It had pretty good power with my wife and I, but loaded up with 2 dogs, kids, and stuff and I have a feeling it may be sluggish. Plus what really bothered me was when you hit about 40 it shifts into 4th, which is fine for cruising along. As soon as you give it any gas at all it downshifts. Let up a little and it goes back to 4th. During our short drive it seemed like it was constantly going between 3rd and 4th and back -- it was very smooth and my wife didn't even notice it but it would bother me.
Interior design is surprisingly spacious. The track on the rear seats is very cool. I like the stereo and climate controls, but that little storage compartment in the middle is just goofy and out of place. Parking brake is kind of cool. First impression on sitting in it however was that of a minivan -- this is probably as close to a minivan as you can get without being one, which is probably a great niche to be in. Folding rear seats is also a great design.
Overall I thought it drove quite nicely for the price point and function. My wife absolutely loved it (the sunroof helps a lot) although she was very disappointed it doesn't offer heated seats for our Minnesota winters. We both like leather also, but it would just seem out of place on this car.
IMHO, if they put a V6 in, made the interior a little nicer, offered a bigger wheel/tire combo and leather for $25-27 they would absolutely crush the higher end V6 versions of the Escape, Tribute and Liberty. And it would still be different enough from the new Honda SUV, which I heard is going to be about 8" longer than the MDX.
I may have this backwards but, it appears that the 02 CR-V has a higher numeric final ratio than the previous generation. I am interested in 5 speed final ratio. Wouldn't that make the O2 run at higher rpm on the highway? I thought it would run at lower rpm that the previous generation.
Nope. It's the other way around. The new CR-V does not rev as high as the last gen. I believe the figures indicate the number of turns of the flywheel to one revolution of the driveshaft (something like that). So a 2 to 1 ratio revs more than a 1 to 1 ratio. Anything lower than a 1 to 1 ratio is considered an "overdrive" gear.
When you look at the ratios, the '02 has more spread between gears which makes sense given the broader and higher torque numbers. Notice the final drive is geared lower in the '02. The end ratio results in 5th gear are 0.812x4.562=3.704 for the '01 and .738x4.765=3.517 for the '02 hence the '02 engine will spin slower in 5th for a given speed. According to C/D the '02 does 21.6 mph/1000 rpm in 5th gear which translates into 3010 rpm at 65 mph. However, the first couple of gears end up being geared lower, i.e., engine spins faster. This should make it much more peppy in the lower gears. The auto is geared taller in top gear overall (and has a taller final ratio) hence the engine should spin slower. This is why the auto is rated to have better highway mileage. I can see the auto locking and unlocking the torque convertor constantly (even at higher speeds) and I agree with thorsen this would drive me nuts.
I am personally looking at the 5 speed because a) I still think the engine is too weak for an auto and b) my wife prefers the stick shift anyhow!
I don't think it does have an outside ambient temperature gauge. It also doesn't have heated seats or heated outside mirrors. Those are all features that my Forester has, and that I like a lot.
yeah, the other vehicle i heavily cross-shopped with the 02 crv is the forester. it came down to the look of the forester, which i found to be a little too station wagonish.
otherwise the forester is a great deal, especially with 1.8% financing that subaru canada has. Aren't they due for a redesign though next year? That could hurt an 02's resale value in the years to come.
Canadiancl, The brochure does not mention an outside temp gauge, however the separate blurb that I received from the dealer clearly states that it DOES include " dual trip odometer with external temperature gauge" and shows that it is standard on all models. This is on Canadian spec CRV's only I believe.
I know this topic was mentioned in previous posts, but i'll ask again if you don't mind. It's regarding the front wheel wells of the new CR-V. Where does all the dirt and crud end up after going through the wheel wells?
I looked in the front wheel wells, and saw a huge hole and can see all the way across to the other side.
Does anyone else get the feeling that there has been some serious cost-cutting measures inflicted on the new CR-V, if you consider the subpar seat fabric, the rather stark and plasticky dash, the hole in the wheelwell, the manual seat adjustment, etc. The new V no doubt drives better and is roomier, but I certainly wouldn't rate it as an step forward on the luxury scale compared to the old one. In fact, I would even venture to say that the dash and seat fabric of the old one are superior and more attractive than the new one.
If Honda has been cutting corners then they must be making a bundle on the V. If you price out the V against the Accord, feature for feature, the Accord would seem like a howling bargain. And don't forget the V is just a derivative of the Civic platform so it wasn't as if Honda had to spend a pile of development $ on a separate platform.
I'm selling my '97 Pathfinder and am very interested in the the new CR-v's. I test drove one down in Naples ( I live in Cape Coral, Florida). I love it. It's almost has as much room as the "paTH" and with almost 2x as good gas mileage and comparable acceleration. There bottom line price for an LX is $19,434. Is that a decent price?
Just comparable acceleration? I would think (and hope) the new V would have significantly better acceleration. The Pathfinder is a nice rig, but pre-2000 models, with the 168 hp motor, were seriously underpowered.
Those paths are very underpowered and gas guzzlers at that.It's amazing how technology has improved torque and horsepower on such small engine and still get the great gas mileage. Should I hold off and try and get a better price? I tried on the internet, but all the buyauto.coms don't have the 2002 CRV's listed. can someone recommend a site to check out? I'm going to sell my 97 pathfinder XE w/ 4wd 77k priced to sell at $10,900.
This may not be a whole lot of help since it appears most of the new V will be sold at close to MSRP, but per Carcostcanada.com the Dealer Cost (invoice) for a CR-V EX automatic is $27,176. On top of that you would have to add freight and air tax totalling $995. so it appears gross profit margin for the dealers is approx. 8.5%
folks I didnt think I could work the price on these hot potatoes but I think I got a good deal...please all you sharp shooters tell me if this indeed was a good deal or not considering the fact that Honda Dealers are just not willing to discount this SUV a penny in most instances because of its hi demand
I leased it for 39 months thru Honda Bank of America, $320 tax included, NO Money down execpt for the first month's payment of $320 which leaves me with 38 more payments, no motor vehicle fees or plate fees either, no bank fees, nothing but the first month's payment down. Also 15,000 miles yr.
was this good...bad??....I thought it was very good.
I can't really say whether it is a good deal or not. However, at the end of 40 months, you have no equity in the CR-V and, to you, it has no resale value.
Perhaps others with direct experience can shed some light.
We should be hearing info on that model shortly. It's supposed to be here around March or so. And yes, the biggest complaint (which is valid) about the Forester, is rear seat room. One of the rumors floating around is that it may be based off the larger Outback platform this go-round.
canadiancl.....I've always thought the CR-V (and all mini-utes, for that matter) are somewhat overpriced....CR-V is Civic-based (in reality, a tall, all-wheel-drive Civic wagon) but is priced higher than an Accord....I guess they charge what the market will bear, but on a strictly value basis, the Accord is a much better buy. Even the loaded Acura EL (Civic based) with leather and a sun-roof is only about 23K whereas CR-V's start around 27K. There are no FWD CR-V's available in Canada, but FWD versions of the Escape/Tribute, Santa Fe and VUE all start around $21-22,000.....makes one wonder where Toyota & Pontiac are going to price the Matrix/Vibe in order to make them competitive. If the Impreza TS wagon had the shape, room and practicality of the Focus wagon, it actually would be quite a deal at $22-23000.
The CRV vs Accord EX - same price, Accord much snazzier. I wonder how the comparison will be with the 2003 Accord. Look at what Nissan sells the new Altima for. 240HP, looks great, full load, a little cheap interior, but less $$$ than a CRV-EX.
The Escape XLT V6 vs Ford F-150 XLT Supercab 4x4, same price. The pickup looks to be about 2 times as big and substantial as the Escape when they are parked beside each other on the dealer's lot. In many cases, they also get about the same mileage - 19 to 21mpg.
When I run a 2002 LX manual trans,for a 39 month Honda lease, I come up with 370 per month. To do 320 you'd be at 400 over invoice and I doubt you are getting that.
I've been reading that the 240hp V6 (available only with the top-of-the-line model, no?) can run close to 29K! That is much more expensive than a CR-V EX in the U.S.
I doubt that the 2003 Accord will match the hp numbers of the Altima...240hp Accord would be more powerful than a base model Acura TL.
from what I've read, is cursed with a lot of torque-steer. I think with that much horsepower, they should have gone with AWD. Others may say they should gone RWD, but I'm no fan of RWD, so I say AWD.
With the Accord they'll probably up HP just enough to make it compete with the V-6 Altima. They'll probably achieve performance numbers close to the Altima with less HP. Instead they'll use better gearing, less weight, or some other "trick".
Further to what artdecho and canadatwo posted, if you take the CR-V EX (no leather), add a couple of popular and needed options such as the security system and the tonneau cover, then the price will be almost the same as the top-of-the-line Accord EXV6. If you factor in the fact the you will likely get a much higher discount on the Accord, then the CR-V wil actually be more expensive then the Accord. Heck, if you load up a CR-V EX-Leather, you're almost in the same price range of a top-of-the-line Maxima GLE!
Hi all...I've been calling all the dealers in my area (northern NJ). The best offer have gotten so far is $300 off MSRP plus any accessories at cost. Not a great deal, but wondering if I am going to do any better in the next 3 months. They have the color I want coming in in December. I really hate paying so close to sticker, but I'm not sure my car will make it through the winter. Not sure what to do...
It is likely that dealers will be pretty firm on prices for next little while, so your deal may be as good as it gets. And you also have to consider this. If, as you said, your current ride is dying, if you hold off on buying the V, you may end up spending money on repairs on your old car. So you may get a bigger discount later, but it may cost you even more on repairs on your current car!
Jmurman...please dont doubt I am getting those numbers, its a done deal already...I have the truck in my garage already. I haggled a few places against each other to get those numbers, I didnt just walk in a get a CrV 2002 LX Auto AWD 15,000 miles lease for $320 a month/ tax incl. for 39mos. with 0 down ( except for $320 first month's payment ) thru American Honda....it took some effort and haggeling dealers against each other to do.....but I am persistent. If anyone want's the same deal, I am willing to recommend you to the salesmen I leased it from in Long Island, NY
sounds pretty good to me...especially since you can get the model and color of your choice.
Don't get so worked up about MSRP and what the dealer makes, focus instead on your budget, your intended purchase and what you have set aside for your purchase.
If you look at your purchase in that way you'll be ahead in this game.
What can I say....I just dont buy that someone would lease a automatic transmission 2002 CR-V LX 4wd with 320 down and 15000 miles....the numbers just dont add up...sorry
My wife has been waiting and waiting for the new CR-V and when I saw it I was not totally impressed. 32,700 w/ leather, etc. puts it into pretty lofty territory and FWIW I do not think it has the "feel" of a 32,000 vehicle. I am taking her to look at Infiniti G20s' this weekend. Cheaper leases, 3000 less $...
msrp 27,900 minus 8.5% profit = 25,556 invoice price
That's not quite right. If the sale price is $27,900 and includes 8.5% profit, then the invoice price had to be $25,714.
5% profit on the $25,714 invoice would bring the price to $27,000 even. Fortuitously, your 7.9% figure is correct though using your incorrect figures actually gives 8.6%
How are you guys calculating the invoice on the LX?! Gross profit margin is expressed as a % of the selling price. So if we were to use 8.5% GPM, the the invoice is 91.5% of $27,900 (or $25,529)!
Of course, this is irrelevant to the issue at hand, which, as Marky777 has said, is should we be paying almost full sticker for the car? Is it that desireable? Is it that much of a homerun for Honda? I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but personally the 1st impression is similar to what brydymond said. I was a little underwhelmed. I didn't come away saying I've gotta have this car. The exterior styling is an evolution on the previous generation's cute 'ute image, which is fine. I have no problem whatsoever with that. It's the interior and the feature content that got me shaking my head. In this price range, can they not make the dash a little less stark and a little richer-looking, less plasticky, less blank spaces? A more luxurious cloth for the seats? Should a tonneau cover be standard equipment? How about auto-off headlights, variable intermittent wipers, gas struts for the hood? I don't think its unreasonable to expect to have stuff like that.
Honda boosted the 1st generation CR-V's power after about a year and a half of production.
I just don't believe that the 2.4 liter engine is only good for 160hp. Honda has 2.0 liters capable of going up to 240hp. I'm hoping they'll bump it up to around 180hp in about a year. While they're at it, newer (and better looking) interior color schemes would be nice. I don't mind the semi-cheap looking materials, but the colors themselves are tacky!
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- the car is marginally bigger in all interior dimensions but not significantly so, except for the depth of the trunk which is quite a bit deeper.
- the tan cloth interior is ugly but not as ugly as I had anticipated.
- the centre stack of the dash looks a bit stark.
- the parking brake is easy to get used to.
- the sliding rear seat is handy.
- don't like the placement of the gas-door release. Too hard to reach. Plus may be possible to pull hood release instead when groping for it in the dark.
- Gas tank seems to be positioned awfully low.
- tire/wheel combo IS small.
- attractive-looking engine cover.
- new tail lights are attractive but rear bumper is ugly.
- auto tranny shifter is not nearly as weird-looking as I had thought.
- personally, if I buy one, I would go for the Mojave Mist with tan leather interior, security alarm, side step-rail, tonneau cover
BTW, I went to the same dealer as Mark777. The prices quoted include PDI and Freight.
i see people complain about the 15 inch wheels on the cr-v. what gen 1 had 205/70-15 you can go up and get 16 inch rims and put 215/60-16 (i think) while gettitng the same circumference you get 16 inch wheels. would you rather have that???
- The "saddle" interior is brutal; the seats are so-so but the brown plastic is just gross! The salesmen were mumbling that it is so bad that it might be a problem for them. Too bad as I really like the red exterior, but not enough to stare at brown plastic for another 4 years or so!
- The 15" wheel/tire combo does seem small, especially compared to the competition.
My main frame of reference is the Escape (which I have rented). I measured the back cargo areas and the dimensions are almost identical (supported by the claimed cargo volumes). The CR-V interior is slightly wider and taller, but the wheel wells are more intrusive. However, this is with the CR-V seats all the way back - slide them up and its another story. The back seat leg room (with the seats back) is much more substantial in the CR-V. However, the front seat leg room seems quite small. Not a big deal for me or my wife (5-10 and 5-2 respectively), but if I was over 6' I would not like to sit in the front passenger seat long. The rear seat fold and flip arrangement blows the Escape's setup away. The fit and feel of the interior feels much better than the Escape (surprise - not!). I do not like the side-swing door on the CR-V. It would be a pain in parking lots and trying to load stuff from the curb. I much prefer the swing up hatch. Overall the CR-V is much more appealing to our needs as we are looking for the most car-like small 'ute. Need a test drive as a final comparison.
Looking at a 5-spd EX with arm rests, leather steering wheel, and wheel locking nuts and they quoted us a slightly under MSRP right off the bat! If I can just get my ducks lined up...
The car is popular right now, but I think this is a very fair offer, esp. considering that if they don't make it we buy something else and they lose our business completely. I didn't really want to offer more than $2-300 over invoice, but I guess I'm getting weak
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Interior design is surprisingly spacious. The track on the rear seats is very cool. I like the stereo and climate controls, but that little storage compartment in the middle is just goofy and out of place. Parking brake is kind of cool. First impression on sitting in it however was that of a minivan -- this is probably as close to a minivan as you can get without being one, which is probably a great niche to be in. Folding rear seats is also a great design.
Overall I thought it drove quite nicely for the price point and function. My wife absolutely loved it (the sunroof helps a lot) although she was very disappointed it doesn't offer heated seats for our Minnesota winters. We both like leather also, but it would just seem out of place on this car.
IMHO, if they put a V6 in, made the interior a little nicer, offered a bigger wheel/tire combo and leather for $25-27 they would absolutely crush the higher end V6 versions of the Escape, Tribute and Liberty. And it would still be different enough from the new Honda SUV, which I heard is going to be about 8" longer than the MDX.
These are the 5 speed ratios for the '02:
1st gear 3.533
2nd gear 1.880
3rd gear 1.212
4th gear .0921
5th gear .0738
Reverse 3.583
Final Drive Ratio 4.765
And these are the '96-01:
1st gear 3.5
2nd gear 1.956
3rd gear 1.344
4th gear 1.071
5th gear 0.812
Reverse 3.461
Final Drive Ratio 4.562
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
I am personally looking at the 5 speed because a) I still think the engine is too weak for an auto and b) my wife prefers the stick shift anyhow!
Also, can you get a siren kit with the Honda security system? There is no mention of a siren option on the H and A Accessories site.
Bob
otherwise the forester is a great deal, especially with 1.8% financing that subaru canada has. Aren't they due for a redesign though next year? That could hurt an 02's resale value in the years to come.
I also notice that Subaru's got a Sport Edition of the Forester in '02 for the Canadian market to try to do something about the look.
Yachtie
I looked in the front wheel wells, and saw a huge hole and can see all the way across to the other side.
Does anyone else get the feeling that there has been some serious cost-cutting measures inflicted on the new CR-V, if you consider the subpar seat fabric, the rather stark and plasticky dash, the hole in the wheelwell, the manual seat adjustment, etc. The new V no doubt drives better and is roomier, but I certainly wouldn't rate it as an step forward on the luxury scale compared to the old one. In fact, I would even venture to say that the dash and seat fabric of the old one are superior and more attractive than the new one.
If Honda has been cutting corners then they must be making a bundle on the V. If you price out the V against the Accord, feature for feature, the Accord would seem like a howling bargain. And don't forget the V is just a derivative of the Civic platform so it wasn't as if Honda had to spend a pile of development $ on a separate platform.
There bottom line price for an LX is $19,434. Is that a decent price?
On top of that you would have to add freight and air tax totalling $995. so it appears gross profit margin for the dealers is approx. 8.5%
I leased it for 39 months thru Honda Bank of America, $320 tax included, NO Money down execpt for the first month's payment of $320 which leaves me with 38 more payments, no motor vehicle fees or plate fees either, no bank fees, nothing but the first month's payment down. Also 15,000 miles yr.
was this good...bad??....I thought it was very good.
I can't really say whether it is a good deal or not. However, at the end of 40 months, you have no equity in the CR-V and, to you, it has no resale value.
Perhaps others with direct experience can shed some light.
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If the Impreza TS wagon had the shape, room and practicality of the Focus wagon, it actually would be quite a deal at $22-23000.
The CRV vs Accord EX - same price, Accord much snazzier. I wonder how the comparison will be with the 2003 Accord. Look at what Nissan sells the new Altima for. 240HP, looks great, full load, a little cheap interior, but less $$$ than a CRV-EX.
The Escape XLT V6 vs Ford F-150 XLT Supercab 4x4, same price. The pickup looks to be about 2 times as big and substantial as the Escape when they are parked beside each other on the dealer's lot.
In many cases, they also get about the same mileage - 19 to 21mpg.
Jerry
I doubt that the 2003 Accord will match the hp numbers of the Altima...240hp Accord would be more powerful than a base model Acura TL.
Bob
I have a '99 5spd. Only dislike is engine noise at 70+ MPH. Would expect the '02 to be much better given '99 turns about 3800 rpm at 80 MPH.
Drove '02 with auto and thought it was much quiter.
If Honda follows past, they will probably increase HP and add some features for '04. That's when I'll probably be in market again.
Not sure what to do...
Don't get so worked up about MSRP and what the dealer makes, focus instead on your budget, your intended purchase and what you have set aside for your purchase.
If you look at your purchase in that way you'll be ahead in this game.
Jerry
so, if on the ex, the dealer is making approx 8.5%, let's apply that to the lx which is what i'm interested in.
msrp 27,900
minus 8.5% profit = 25,556 invoice price
so, let's say 5% profit is fair (although hardliners will say 3% is fair), that should add 1278 profit, for a total of 26,834
the price i was quoted was 27,750 before frt/pdi. OUCH!!!! i'm getting taken for a total of 7.9% (or 2194) profit before frt/pdi!!!!!
Is this vehicle worth giving that much profit to the dealer????
msrp 27,900
minus 8.5% profit = 25,556 invoice price
That's not quite right. If the sale price is $27,900 and includes 8.5% profit, then the invoice price had to be $25,714.
5% profit on the $25,714 invoice would bring the price to $27,000 even. Fortuitously, your 7.9% figure is correct though using your incorrect figures actually gives 8.6%
Good deal? That's not for me to say!
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I'm sorry u dont know what else to do to prove it to you...or for that matter should I even care?
You dont beleive me, thats fine...I'm not gonna lose sleep over it..I got the truck and love it and with that deal love it even more.
My only gripe about the CRV 02 is the middle rear seat head rest seems to block a bit of the view out the back window, perhaps this can be lowered??
and the skimpy 15 inch wheels looks a bit small for a truck this sharp looking
That is cheaper than the 2002 CRV-EX.
Yes the Altima has some torque steer.
But its tire size is more proportional to the vehicle than the CRV's are.
I wait for the 2003 Accord, 2003 Mazda-6 and 2003 Forester before I make my decision.
The 2002 CRV has not turned out to be the vehicle to get now.
At $CDN31,000+ for a CRV-EX, I would sooner get the Accord EX-V6, a Passat 1.8T, or a Legacy GT.
msrp 27,900
minus 8.5% profit = 25,714 invoice price
add 5% profit = 27000
and yes, my bottomline is i'm paying 7.9% profit...
heh heh, and with my fortuitous math i should run for the British Columbia Minister of Finance.
Of course, this is irrelevant to the issue at hand, which, as Marky777 has said, is should we be paying almost full sticker for the car? Is it that desireable? Is it that much of a homerun for Honda? I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but personally the 1st impression is similar to what brydymond said. I was a little underwhelmed. I didn't come away saying I've gotta have this car. The exterior styling is an evolution on the previous generation's cute 'ute image, which is fine. I have no problem whatsoever with that. It's the interior and the feature content that got me shaking my head. In this price range, can they not make the dash a little less stark and a little richer-looking, less plasticky, less blank spaces? A more luxurious cloth for the seats? Should a tonneau cover be standard equipment? How about auto-off headlights, variable intermittent wipers, gas struts for the hood? I don't think its unreasonable to expect to have stuff like that.
I just don't believe that the 2.4 liter engine is only good for 160hp. Honda has 2.0 liters capable of going up to 240hp. I'm hoping they'll bump it up to around 180hp in about a year. While they're at it, newer (and better looking) interior color schemes would be nice. I don't mind the semi-cheap looking materials, but the colors themselves are tacky!