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Both are reasons why I'll probably never own a BMW built in the 21st century.
This news isn't surprising at all. I expect a new M3 in less than 3 years time.
Can't wait!!
Joseph
San Diego
Yes, but neither of those is an M car. I don't care if BMW puts a turbo V-6 in every grocery getter they sell (I'm not buying one anyways) - as long as they leave the M's alone. M cars are supposed to be special, focused, and uncompromised.
What they're doing with the M cars tarnishes the whole brand. It's like hearing a punk rock song from your favorite independent band in a TV commercial for maxi pads. It's a sell out, nothing more.
Among other things, the graphics are much better. You now have the ability to go back to the previous screen and the surrounding buttons that go directly to a given function such as "Audio" make using it quicker and easier. Redundant controls for the radio with six preset function buttons are available as are climate control functions so you can totally bypass the iDrive for routine use.
I think IDrive for all its bad press is really easy to use and is much more intuitive. It greatly trumps the Command Center controls of the Mercedes while still overall falling short of those found in Japanese marques. The single control of the round dial on the console has been trend setting and iDrive, I believe, will continue to improve.
At the 2001 X5 4.6is press intro BMW NA's Martin Birkman told me why the hot X didn't wear an M badge:
"An M car typically has a manual transmission, rear wheel drive, and a high- revving engine."
So much for that... :mad:
On the other hand, I'm sure BMW realizes that the softer, low-revving M cars will attract more BMW wearers and poseurs. And it appears that the strategy is already bearing fruit... :P
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Already?
Hasn't this strategy been in play since the '80's, when the "driver's car" became the must-have accessory of the upwardly-mobile?
It appears to have worked every time it's been tried, for going-on 25 years.
The fact that actual car guys have shunned the brand in recent years, for a variety of reasons, is beyond irrelevant in the land of the BMW marketing "team."
There's more at the door.
Oh boy.
Yes, but the M cars were the last refuge of the real enthusiasts. Now even more M driver seats will be filled by imbeciles who think that trailing throttle oversteer is a band that used to open for Kansas.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Andrew McCarthy, Molly Ringwald, and a 325.
They might need to do another movie quick...
CEO says BMW in “biggest crisis in its history;” rivals have similar concerns
BMW, which has seen it sales double since 1999, is now in the “biggest crisis in its history,” CEO Norbert Reithofer told Germany’s Spiegel. Like all automakers, BMW’s sales have been hit hard by the financial crisis, but the company’s reliance on leasing for a large percentage puts it in an even more vulnerable position.
Reithofer isn’t alone in his sentiment. Daimler boss Dieter Zetsche admitted the situation could easily be the “worst crisis since World War II.” If that’s the case, expect more job cuts and production slowdowns at Mercedes and BMW.
Even Volkswagen, which has a much broader brand and model mix, is concerned about its future. “We have never before seen this kind of a crisis,” chairman Martin Winterkorn said. He said it would be impossible for his company to avoid “difficult cuts” and “painful” measures.
According to the New York Times, luxury cars from BMW and Mercedes are beginning to pile up at U.S. ports. But they aren’t the only ones. Literally thousands of Toyota and Nissan models have filled acres of land at the port in Long Beach, California. In fact, Mercedes, Toyota and Nissan have requested to lease additional space at a 160-acre lot to park their slow-selling cars.
Recently, Toyota Executive Vice President Mitsuo Kinoshita characterized the current situation as “an emergency, of a magnitude we have never seen before.”
So is any automaker immune to the economic collapse in America, Europe, and Asia? Simply put: no. After all, Mercedes, BMW, VW, and Toyota are usually thought of as the most stable automakers in the world. Their survival will depend entirely on their ability to quickly adapt to slowing sales. Without the same rigid union and legacy costs of the Detroit Three, we’re hopeful they’ll all pull through.
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OW
MACO is a regional advertising charge, that varies by location.. Probably 90%-95% of dealers pay this. Averages $300-$500 in most locations.
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kyfdx
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Do you know if 'Sales Tax $0 (BMW will cover sales tax for the month of December) ' applys to all 3 serise in purchase? I have just purchaseed my 328ci two days ago. But dealer didn't mention it to me at all. Please let me know as soon as you can. Thanks.
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general comment for discussion. since when do so many need these "all wheel drive" cars with its weight/mileage and other disadvantages to drive around in the winter. How about snow tires and sensible winter driving? Maybe even some added weighted over the rear axle.
Anyone into buying now should consider all their options.
Buying a used car these days REALLY makes sense!
People in a crunch are even more desperate to sell than dealers!
If I could, I'd seriously take this time to think outside the box.
For example, you could cop a 2006 997 911S! for less than 60k right now!!!
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For those privelleged few immune to the insecurity of the day, it could be quite a Merry Christmas this year indeed! For the rest of us, thank goodness dreams are still free.
Ho Ho Ho,
Joseph
San Diego
The Mercedes C300 went up $1,300.
The Audi A5 went up $800.
The Infiniti G35/37 went up $1,000.
The Lexus IS350 went up $300.
The Cadillac CTS went up $2,230.
The Volvo S60 went up $1,825.
The Lincoln MKZ went up $1,715.
The Saab 9-5 went up $695.
Looks to me like the BMW is not out of line with their MY price increase. And your $700 actually gets you some nice stuff - not the least of which is the much improved front and rear styling.
That's worth much more than $700; at the very least it ensures that your E90 will no longer be mistaken for an Infiniti G20:
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
2006 330xi best car I've ever driven EXCEPT FOR THE RUN FLATS! Have read multiple posts on many sites..nobody likes them, Sentiment for class action is there. Sadly, BMW NA has stuck its head in the sand, ignored customer pleas for resolution and worse--denies there is a problem. Further, I just replace with a new set of Continentals and noise persists.
Good Luck all---just be aware!
09 335i Sedan with Sports Package, and Navigation: $43.8k on carsdirect.com
-> http://www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=92128&acode=USB90BMC312A0&restor- - - - - - - - - - - - e=false
09 335xi " " yadayada..: $44840 -> http://www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=92128&acode=USB90BMC313A0&restor- - - - - - - - - - - - e=false
And these numbers are with no negotiation... meaning you can definately get them down by at least $500 to $1000.
Even if they throw in Premium Package.. the price they've quoted you is more than $1.6k too much.
Good Luck,
Joseph
San Diego
Yes, for Logic 7 fans, it's a bummer that BMW made it optional for 2009. Other than that though, everything else is standard industry practice. As for the "free automatic," I'm guessing that was a dealer move to get rid of a car that's been sitting on the lot for many moons - not a BMW promotion.
From the info you provided, here's what I see. The car you would have ordered was a 2009 335i with MT, SP, Logic 7, and HD Radio. After destination charge, the 2009 has an invoice price of $40,780. The car you bought is a 2008 335i with Auto, SP, and Sirius. after destination, it had an invoice price of $39,160.
So yeah, you spent $1,600 less by buying the 2008 off the lot (again, the "free" auto tranny doesn't count). You got a great car and saved some money, so that's good. The alternative would have been to spend the additional $1,600 and get the EXACT car you wanted and get a car that's one year newer (and has not accrued one year of depreciation).
Again, every car company raises prices and rearranges options/packages with the new model year. For you it made sense to buy last years model, for others - maybe, maybe not.
Yes, the driving public has certainly been dumbed-down; I've even heard some poor imbeciles claim that they need AWD because they need to be able to drive in the rain.
Pathetic.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Once the roads got slick, my wife and I did just fine with our FWD Volvo and all-season tires by simply slowing down, being smooth, and not trying to climb hills that are too steep.
Now that we have inches and inches of snow on the streets (only major roads get plowed up here), the Volvo is completely trapped in the driveway and we're staying home (as we should). I feel sorry for all the people that bought a 330xi or G35X thinking they'd be able to drive year-round - only a vehicle with traction tires and ground clearance can go out right now.
The M is in the garage and still shiny clean, hooked up to a battery tender...
Best regards,
Shipo
Seattle comes to a grinding halt as soon as snow or ice touches the ground. Fortunately, no power outages this year - and a white Christmas for sure (very rare for this area).
Happy Holidays!
The good news is that we love snow, so the more the merrier. :shades:
Happy Holidays back at'cha.
Best regards,
Shipo
Having (sadly) left the cold country years ago, I always thought having a generator was the way to go. Do you switch over the whole dwelling, or just power essential services (lighting, furnace blower, etc.)?
Self-sufficiency at its finest.
Merry Christmas & a happy new year, BTW, to another person not driving a BMW, though I believe we both thought we were going to be by now. At least you have in the past.
We're getting dumped on here in SW CO right now and we could use some of those NH plows right about now.
Wife's xi with Blizzaks is still a snow cat our here!
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
My M3 has P Zero Nero M+S tires. I'll take your word that they are good in the slippery stuff - I don't plan to find out for myself.
The whole house. We have a gas (propane) dryer, however, the house was wired for an electric, so I just moved the dryer circuit to the garage, built a 12' 240V extension cord, and back feed the panel from that circuit. I fire up the generator, click off the 200 Amp service from the street, and click on the 30-Amp circuit breaker for the dryer and I'm in business. The only concessions we need to make are some load balancing (i.e. don't run the well pump when the toaster or microwave or toaster oven is on) and no full-size electric oven (I love gas, but electric is what the house came with).
Merry Christmas & a happy new year, BTW, to another person not driving a BMW, though I believe we both thought we were going to be by now. At least you have in the past.
Thanks, and back to ya. Yeah, had our new business venture gone better; that was the plan. Instead, it went Tango Uniform and what with A) the old Dodge Grand Caravan having clocked some 90,000 miles in the last 2.5 years (running the odometer to 170,000), and landing a new contract that is going to require nearly 30,000 miles per year, I just bought a new Mazda3 i Touring 5-Speed. That car is going to serve as my commuter hack until I can get back into a BMW, at which point it will be used to teach both of my kids the art of driving a manual transmission.
Best regards,
Shipo
I think getting Blizzaks is for the Inuit. When it's too dangerous to drive, don't just get bigger snow tires! Stay home. I really think this is getting out of control. If you're driving up Pikes Peak in January, good luck to you and I hope you get a good parking spot in St. Peter's parking lot.
Just be safe driving, and give yourself plenty of room in front of you. I know - I was just rear-ended by a 2007 Chevy Impala. And I wonder if he had Blizzaks?
Snow traction was brilliant. The ride is firm but not stiff. Great steering and brakes too. I'm impressed!
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Do you need AWD car in a snow area like Boston/Massachusetts? or Can you live with just RWD car?
I noticed on bmwusa.com under the build your own, the sport package for the 328i doesn't include sport suspension, just bigger wheels/tires, the sport seats, & black shadowline trim. Tell me they don't offer a sport suspension on the 328i coupe!
I've spent some time "building my own" and with the same options, a 328i Coupe and a 135i Coupe come out to be almost the same price. If the time ever came where I'd have to decide, then it would be serious. Not having driven the 135i, the only advantage the 328i has in my eyes are the fact that it is prettier.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD