Just curious about the table in the V. Was wondering if Honda thinks that all we like to do with our cars is picnic and tailgate, and hence the table? I personally would rather see the spare in that location and off the back of the car. We had an '80 Honda wagon that actually looked a lot like a "baby CRV", but the tailgate lifted up to open instead of to the side like these do. Any way, aside from those 2 minor things we love our new CRV!
In the Japanese market, Honda sells a version called the fullmark. It has a full-diameter spare that can be stored under the floor. Still a thin donut, though.
We've gone to soccer games, softball & major league baseball games, camping, touring, etc. and I can't think of a time when we've needed just a table. About ten years ago we bought one of those small folding picnic table/bench affairs and I believe we used it once or twice. Mostly I guess we just needed chairs. The Fullmark has a lot of potential, think it might do well stateside, but it'll prolly never make it here. I do like that there seems to be a large aftermarket for Honda add-ons available.
It's rare that I plan to use the table, but there are frequent trips out to the 'V to get it and impress those that don't know that there is a table hiding in the cargo area. I've used the table for snacks at a company luncheon, a gift table at a baby shower, a children's table at a picnic, and I plan to drape it in velevet and use it for a display in a jewelry show. Besides, I like the spare on the back of the V. It would look too much like a wagon without the tire. Functionally, I think it would be easier to stand and get the tire off in the event of a flat since it is at arm's reach. Getting the cover on and off is the tricky part! The worst design for a spare, IMO, are the older Jimmys and Blazers that were mounted under the truck and the nuts would rust tight for those living in the snow belt.
In the 5+ years we had our '97, we never took that table out ONCE. Never used that round hole as a wet storage the way Honda intended. Just like redbelair, we bought one of those folding picnic table/bench and haven't used for for about 5 years. The moral of the story is...we gotta get out more!
Like Honda_Girl, I've rarely set out to use the table. It just happens to make itself convenient from time to time.
I drove my Mother to a friends wedding shower. She hadn't had time to wrap her gift and was trying to do it in the car. Instead I told her to wait and she used the table whle parked in the lot.
My father was working on his boat in drydock. We set up the table as a place to lay out his tools.
I've used it as a gate to prevent my 40 mph geryhounds from bolting out of an almost completely fenced in ball field.
My wife and I were drving through Maine and pulled up at a particluarly scenic spot. She used the table to sort wild flowers we found there.
It's even been used indoors as a serving table during thanksgiving dinner.
I do agree that a set of chairs would go nicely. I bought a set of folding chairs for about $20 and keep them in the back. They take up a bit of space, but there are smaller (more expensive) ones that can fit under the table.
Here's kind of a techie question: When my parents were shopping for their CRV, we visited a Toyota dealership. The salesman there told us that the CRV's 4wd works as follows: under 35km/h, there is 50/50 power distribution b/n the front and back. He said that the faster the vehicle went, the more power got put into FWD (ie 70/30). But, at 80 km/h, the real-time 4wd stopped working all together.
It was my understanding that the real-time 4wd worked only when needed, like when a tire loses traction, and that this happened regardless of speed.
The Toyota dealer is wrong. The system is reactive. RT4WD only activates when there is a difference in speeds between the axles. In other words, it reacts to slippage.
Could not get a satisfactory explanation from my dealer - could someone tell me what the 'normal' RPM's are when the crv shifts from one gear to another. On mine, it seems pretty normal going from 1st to 2nd but from 2nd to 3rd the RPM's increase quite a bit (maybe 600-700) then from 3rd to 4th will increase some more, then when it reaches 4th the RPM's drop down to around 1500 (when going about 40 mph). It just doesn't feel right compared to other automatics I've driven. There are times I feel like it is slipping, speeding up or lately noticing when slowing down.
It is your vehicle and you feel there is a problem. You would know best. What you are describing does not seem normal. Do you have another dealer to go to? If not, speak with the Service Manager and explain what is happening. Spin it any way you want but try to make it seem like that you want them to help even if it means calling Honda since your vehicle is so new the problem may not have been reported. There is also a CRV problems board under maintenance and repair, you may want to post there. Good luck.
Sorry if I just posted a "nothing"--I hit the return by mistake....anyway, I just wanted to ask you all who would know---I had a fender-bender last week--my fault(grrrr). I hit a lady at a stop sign(she started to merge, then changed her mind--I kept going unfortunately). So... there is very little visible damage, as we were going 0-3mph, but there sure was a huge puddle of antifreeze under my car, and the insurance adjuster said of course there is radiator damage, and possibly damaged whatever supports the radiator(??). I'm waiting to hear from the shop to see what all is going on under there. My question--is there anything that might not be obvious that could have sustained catastrophic damage. I just want to be prepared. thanks for any hhelp beth
>>Is the car revving too high while in gear (taking too long to shift from 2-3)? Yes, that is what I think it is doing. Honda dealer said nothing was wrong. Sometimes it seems quite normal, other times it does not. Going to take it to an independent mechanic I used for my previous car and see what he thinks. Thanks for the help.
I thought the '02 CRVs were supposed to have some sort of bumper that absorbed collisions up to 8 km/h. Doesn't sound like you were going very fast...did it miss the bumper?
Beth: check behind the bumper to see if the shock absorbent foam is damamged. It's designed to absorb an impact, but must then be replaced, sort of like a bicycle helmet.
Check the top/front cross member (top of radiator) to make sure it didn't bend back. Also check the headlight aim - if it's off, that ought to be a red flag that something got misaligned. Also check hood alignment with both front quarter panels with a marble - it should roll straight down the seam, smoothly.
Ask the body shop to show you the damage, or lack thereof. Get receipts for the new radiator and ask how long they guarantee their work for.
I had to take send my Miata back twice - first they broke a plastic window trim piece, then they forgot to replace a wheel center cap. It's better if you catch stuff like that right away. I made sure it was perfect before I accepted it back from them.
protoge_fan: You're much closer to being right than the salesperson. Under normal driving conditions, the CR-V behaves as a front-wheel-drive vehicle. When the front wheels lose traction, they will be spinning faster than the rear wheels. The difference in rotational speed quickly triggers a clutch pack that links the rear driveshaft to the transmission. The system is completely hydraulic with no electronic brain in control. It's simple (no need for driver to decide when it's needed), lightweight, straightforward to maintain, and works well in getting folks through snowy/muddy/sandy conditions.
Well, I have to admit that my table hasn't seen much duty. However, the tub under the table is put to good use, storing my air compressor, jumper cables, gas can, and emergency flares. It keeps my everyday cargo area clear of clutter. Other owners have discovered that it is an ideal place to install a subwoofer; JL Audio even offers a custom-fitted Stealthbox for the first-generation CR-V. You don't know it's there . . . until it's on.
A "howdy" to Honda_Girl . . . if you check my profile, you'll probably realize that you've seen me elsewhere.
It actually just cought the underside of the bumper--slightly bent the liscence plate. The headlights and grill weren't touched. I can't recall if the upper portion of the front bumper has any damage though.
I wanted to find out if anyone has installed the fog lights on a 2002 cr-v? I looked at the instructions and they seem somewhat time consuming to install and I'm not sure how difficult it is to get into some of the areas described. You can see the instruction manual at:
They may try to buff out the damage on the front bumper, since it's plastic all the way through. If you surpass the minimum for your collision deductible, it's all free from that point on, so demand all new and OE parts.
That must have been a short car. Usually there is brake dive, so your bumper would lower and theirs would rise slightly.
Good luck getting it fixed. I'm sure they'll get it back to as-new condition.
thank you, juice. You mentioned some things that I wouldn't have thought to ask about. I'm hoping that it can get back to "as-new" condition. As this is my first time in a wreck, it really is pretty crushing, and humbling--I had been feeling quite "cocky" tooling around...until the cr-v I had had 2 minivans, and another big SUV for the carpool thing...oh well. thanks, beth
Thanks for the info everybody who replied. Now that I have a better understanding how it works, would anybody care to share when they've used the RT4wd or felt it go into effect?
Up here in Calgary, Canada, I can imagine that my parents will feel it being used fairly often in the winters.
I bought the '02 foglights off the internet for $244 including shipping and handling. I did not want to pay anyone to install them for me so I tried it myself and I don't know much about cars. I am getting my masters in environmental engineering right now, so I would say I pretty good with science and technology kinds of things.
The lights work great and I am glad I did them myself with that said here are some concerns I can share with you.
1) It took me around 5.5 hours to install them on my automatic. If you install them on a manual it is more difficult, as you can see in the instructions.
2) Installing them under the hood was straight foward but I made one mistake that I had to correct because it looked "bad". When you go to place the rubber sleeve over the hole you cut out for the foglight, make sure the smaller lip of the sleeve is facing out of the bumper, otherwise it will look sloppy when you are finished. It is a fairly easy correction to make if you goof up.
3) Installation inside is more of a pain but took me about the same amount of time as under the hood. Removing the panels, is "scary", you have to pull hard and you swear you are going to break the panels. Those clips they talk about, are a pain. I ended up breaking two on the panel that sorrunds the steering wheel, luckily it was on the bottom left hand side of the panel. So the panel hangs off the frame 1 millimeter and you can't see it unless you open the drivers door and look hard.
4) When I connected the foglight harness to the vehicle harness behind the cargo pocket right below the stereo, I initially had a lot of trouble finding the right connection. I had to break apart a connector from another in order for all the wires to readch each other. I then had to use electrical tape to keep them together.
That said.... if you have any questions feel free to email or post again. Good luck if you decide to do it.
I broke only one clip on that panel, the bottom right one, while installing wiring for trailer hitch lights. Knowing I'm not the only one makes me feel much better. :.)
Nice explanation of the RT4WD on the CRV, slugline. And also good storage ideas for the wheel well in the back. I suppose we've been lucky - haven't had a flat (knock wood) for at least 20 years or more, so having the spare on the back just seems sort of redundant I guess. Actually a sub in that well would be great. Have to add that to the wish list for later.
Hey Slugger! Thanks for cluing me in to your true identity This board is going to take some getting used to, but it is nice to see a familiar nome de plumes like you and Varmint.
Speaking of the spare tire, my dad wanted to know if it was possible to take the tire off the back and put it into that space below the table? Not sure why he'd want to take it off, but he was curious. The shape of that space looks kinda like a tire...so I guess that made him wonder. Thanks again.
Protege_fan - I haven't tried it with an '02 model. In my '99 the space under the table is too shallow for the spare. That's why the Fullmark has a donut.
Honda Girl - If you see any posts by "Recs", call him Ron. Or GoongaRon if you prefer. I think Chas has posted here once or twice as well.
This is one of my favorite places for storage. I can put my wet scuba gear in it (except of course for the Tank itself. I always keep my extra ropes, ratchets, and straps in the storage compartment. Last but certainly not least, I keep an emergency kit stashed in it!
It sounds about the amount of effort that I expected to would have. I first have to buy the car so I'm in that process and then I think I will get the fog lights. I'm currently negotiating the price a bit and have it at 22,150 for a Silver EX Auto with no add ons. This is basiclly costco price, 1100 over invoice.
What accesories seem worth it? Other than the fog lights, i'm looking at: - Roof Rack - Cargo Liner - Cargo Tray - Cargo Net
I wouldn't get the roof rack from the dealer. Actually, the salesman that sold the CRV to my parents said not to get it thru the dealership. Rather, he said to get one from Thule or Yakima. He told us a customer who had just bought a crv bought an aftermarket one at half the price of the Honda one.
Where are you? The best i have found in my area is $300 off. I will be waiting on accesories since dealers mark it up too high. Then maybe handaaccessories.com if my son-in-law will install(I'm all thumbs). varmint: My EX will be in about 8 weeks which is OK. Do you think bugs will be worked out or wait for 03? I can extend lease on my PF.
Thanks for the info and the time it took to fix, I had to have one of the back seat clips (handle used to fold seats with) replaced and I wasted 2 hours of a day off waiting on it. For the seat fix, I will have the dealer give me a demo for the day.
Phillyguy - The "bugs" we are seeing have all been recognized and news has it that fixes are on the way. Your vehicle should be sound.
The only things I'd be concerned with are the possibility of issues with the auto tranny. Unfortunately, we're seeing a wide variation in reports. The complaints we see here are completely different from one another and different from the issues I've seen in other threads. I've also seen some very suspect issues posted in other forums which, quite frankly, sound like the work of trolls.
No vehicle is perfect, but there hasn't been a consistent issue that would stop me from ordering today.
We're considering replacing our 95 Explorer with a smaller suv: a Rav4 or a CRV. But wondering if we'll feel it's too small. We got the Explorer for safety reasons (no jokes please!) - we have 2 small children and drive with a lot of tailgating Expeditions. How does the size compare - not just on the inside? Should we consider something like a Toyota Highlander instead?
I too was surprised to see the crv listed as one of the top ten - but you notice they only talk about the head unit, nothing about the speakers. Can Bose speakers be used in the crv?
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I personally would rather see the spare in that location and off the back of the car. We had an '80 Honda wagon that actually looked a lot like a "baby CRV", but the tailgate lifted up to open instead of to the side like these do.
Any way, aside from those 2 minor things we love our new CRV!
FWIW. I use the table fairly often.
About ten years ago we bought one of those small folding picnic table/bench affairs and I believe we used it once or twice. Mostly I guess we just needed chairs. The Fullmark has a lot of potential, think it might do well stateside, but it'll prolly never make it here. I do like that there seems to be a large aftermarket for Honda add-ons available.
I drove my Mother to a friends wedding shower. She hadn't had time to wrap her gift and was trying to do it in the car. Instead I told her to wait and she used the table whle parked in the lot.
My father was working on his boat in drydock. We set up the table as a place to lay out his tools.
I've used it as a gate to prevent my 40 mph geryhounds from bolting out of an almost completely fenced in ball field.
My wife and I were drving through Maine and pulled up at a particluarly scenic spot. She used the table to sort wild flowers we found there.
It's even been used indoors as a serving table during thanksgiving dinner.
I do agree that a set of chairs would go nicely. I bought a set of folding chairs for about $20 and keep them in the back. They take up a bit of space, but there are smaller (more expensive) ones that can fit under the table.
When my parents were shopping for their CRV, we visited a Toyota dealership. The salesman there told us that the CRV's 4wd works as follows:
under 35km/h, there is 50/50 power distribution b/n the front and back. He said that the faster the vehicle went, the more power got put into FWD (ie 70/30). But, at 80 km/h, the real-time 4wd stopped working all together.
It was my understanding that the real-time 4wd worked only when needed, like when a tire loses traction, and that this happened regardless of speed.
Can anybody please clarify? Thanks!
normal going from 1st to 2nd but from 2nd to 3rd the RPM's increase quite a bit (maybe 600-700) then from 3rd to 4th will increase some more, then when it reaches 4th the RPM's drop down to around 1500 (when going about 40 mph). It just doesn't feel right compared to other automatics I've driven. There are times I feel like it is slipping, speeding up or lately noticing when slowing down.
Or is it revving between shifts? In other words, when the tranny is in the process of shifting, the engine revs up. Just trying to clarify. Thanks.
beth
Yes, that is what I think it is doing. Honda dealer said nothing was wrong. Sometimes it seems quite normal, other times it does not. Going to take it to an independent mechanic I used for my previous car and see what he thinks.
Thanks for the help.
Check the top/front cross member (top of radiator) to make sure it didn't bend back. Also check the headlight aim - if it's off, that ought to be a red flag that something got misaligned. Also check hood alignment with both front quarter panels with a marble - it should roll straight down the seam, smoothly.
Ask the body shop to show you the damage, or lack thereof. Get receipts for the new radiator and ask how long they guarantee their work for.
I had to take send my Miata back twice - first they broke a plastic window trim piece, then they forgot to replace a wheel center cap. It's better if you catch stuff like that right away. I made sure it was perfect before I accepted it back from them.
-juice
Well, I have to admit that my table hasn't seen much duty. However, the tub under the table is put to good use, storing my air compressor, jumper cables, gas can, and emergency flares. It keeps my everyday cargo area clear of clutter. Other owners have discovered that it is an ideal place to install a subwoofer; JL Audio even offers a custom-fitted Stealthbox for the first-generation CR-V. You don't know it's there . . . until it's on.
A "howdy" to Honda_Girl . . . if you check my profile, you'll probably realize that you've seen me elsewhere.
I wanted to find out if anyone has installed the fog lights on a 2002 cr-v? I looked at the instructions and they seem somewhat time consuming to install and I'm not sure how difficult it is to get into some of the areas described. You can see the instruction manual at:
http://www.handa-accessories.com/crv/02CRVFOGS.pdf
Second question, does the ex come with auto sensing headlights which turn on automatically at night?
Thanks
That must have been a short car. Usually there is brake dive, so your bumper would lower and theirs would rise slightly.
Good luck getting it fixed. I'm sure they'll get it back to as-new condition.
-juice
found it over on Ron's gadget page. Hi Ron!
Up here in Calgary, Canada, I can imagine that my parents will feel it being used fairly often in the winters.
The lights work great and I am glad I did them myself with that said here are some concerns I can share with you.
1) It took me around 5.5 hours to install them on my automatic. If you install them on a manual it is more difficult, as you can see in the instructions.
2) Installing them under the hood was straight foward but I made one mistake that I had to correct because it looked "bad". When you go to place the rubber sleeve over the hole you cut out for the foglight, make sure the smaller lip of the sleeve is facing out of the bumper, otherwise it will look sloppy when you are finished. It is a fairly easy correction to make if you goof up.
3) Installation inside is more of a pain but took me about the same amount of time as under the hood. Removing the panels, is "scary", you have to pull hard and you swear you are going to break the panels. Those clips they talk about, are a pain. I ended up breaking two on the panel that sorrunds the steering wheel, luckily it was on the bottom left hand side of the panel. So the panel hangs off the frame 1 millimeter and you can't see it unless you open the drivers door and look hard.
4) When I connected the foglight harness to the vehicle harness behind the cargo pocket right below the stereo, I initially had a lot of trouble finding the right connection. I had to break apart a connector from another in order for all the wires to readch each other. I then had to use electrical tape to keep them together.
That said.... if you have any questions feel free to email or post again. Good luck if you decide to do it.
Actually a sub in that well would be great. Have to add that to the wish list for later.
Honda Girl - If you see any posts by "Recs", call him Ron. Or GoongaRon if you prefer. I think Chas has posted here once or twice as well.
This is one of my favorite places for storage. I can put my wet scuba gear in it (except of course for the Tank itself. I always keep my extra ropes, ratchets, and straps in the storage compartment. Last but certainly not least, I keep an emergency kit stashed in it!
It certainly keeps the clutter at a minimum!!!
It sounds about the amount of effort that I expected to would have. I first have to buy the car so I'm in that process and then I think I will get the fog lights. I'm currently negotiating the price a bit and have it at 22,150 for a Silver EX Auto with no add ons. This is basiclly costco price, 1100 over invoice.
What accesories seem worth it? Other than the fog lights, i'm looking at:
- Roof Rack
- Cargo Liner
- Cargo Tray
- Cargo Net
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varmint: My EX will be in about 8 weeks which is OK. Do you think bugs will be worked out or wait for 03? I can extend lease on my PF.
I didn't know I had them. I'm going out side right now to test them. I wonder why the owners manual didn't talk about them.
The only things I'd be concerned with are the possibility of issues with the auto tranny. Unfortunately, we're seeing a wide variation in reports. The complaints we see here are completely different from one another and different from the issues I've seen in other threads. I've also seen some very suspect issues posted in other forums which, quite frankly, sound like the work of trolls.
No vehicle is perfect, but there hasn't been a consistent issue that would stop me from ordering today.
Can Bose speakers be used in the crv?
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